Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

Hi Briss - i hope the results are good...i have everything crossed for you.

im sorry you have been arguing...its very difficult and stressful but your DH is right i suppose that you should try and take it easy at this time. I argued too this weekend and my DH shouted whats up with you...is it your time of the month? bit immature really but actually a correct observation...my response was not pleasant so i wont repeat it here!

Honestly i think alot of these chinese medicine places are full of charlatans but i just have to go with my gut instinct [which has clearly been wrong in the past]. I liked the little old guy i saw on sat but for all i know he has never been near a classroom in his life but he seemed to ask the right questions and i just got an ok feeling about him so i will go there if i give up current place. i remember a feature in the standard one year about TCM places in london and a guy went round to a few of them with the same complaint and ended up with a number of conflicting prognoses based on TCM....i guess its unfortunate but there will be people there that just want ££ and just go through the motions.

A lot of chinese wont go near TCM....i don't know much about it but i think it is Mao that tried to revive it and brought it back to the fore of healthcare in that country.....back in beginning of 20th century china became heavily influenced by the west with the advent of communism. i think TCM became illegal. Im sure many families they were brought up to question its foundations and legitimacy.

i hope your day gets better....Something amazing could be happening inside you now so focus on that.....if its not this month then it WILL be another month.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, a lady shared what worked for her on pre AF spotting front - "I used 200 mg prometrium vaginally and no spotting whatsoever! " more info here https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/p...our-preaf-spotting-explain-infertility-3.html

 

[Blythe]

cheers briss - the last time i had my day 21 bloods done doc was not concerned with my prog levels therefore would not prescribe progesterone...I had since looked on-line for them [of course] However, i have ordered some more prog cream which i think is far superior to that i was using before so will be using that this cycle. I would much prefer the prescribed stuff.

If the problem persists i will push it with the FS.

do you expect a call today from your FS?

 

[alison29]

Hey you guys..I have a problem with chocolate too. I love that book so far. I am trying to imagine the chocolates are crummy and dirty and will make feel nauseated (from the book). lol. Also I really can't stand my dh when I have PMS. I tell my friend here, "oh great dh is bugging me lots i must have PMS already". I do notice i become combative also so i have learned before i hit the roof it is pms time to count to ten and think of something else that it is me or rather i normally can put up with ever offense is occurring.
So still feeling anxious but thanks for the pep talk. but it will be over with soon enough.
tomorrow at 2 then outta hospital by 6. I will pop in if i live to let you guys know what they found. As far as the book and having the emotions of already being pregnant or having what i want (which is that) i have prob put out wrong emotions maybe the desperation feeling.. Which isn't good for manifestation because that is what will keep popping up my life the REALLY wanting part. that is the biggest struggle but trying to work with the book and improve.

 

[Blythe]

Hey you guys..I have a problem with chocolate too. I love that book so far. I am trying to imagine the chocolates are crummy and dirty and will make feel nauseated (from the book). lol. Also I really can't stand my dh when I have PMS. I tell my friend here, "oh great dh is bugging me lots i must have PMS already". I do notice i become combative also so i have learned before i hit the roof it is pms time to count to ten and think of something else that it is me or rather i normally can put up with ever offense is occurring.
So still feeling anxious but thanks for the pep talk. but it will be over with soon enough.
tomorrow at 2 then outta hospital by 6. I will pop in if i live to let you guys know what they found. As far as the book and having the emotions of already being pregnant or having what i want (which is that) i have prob put out wrong emotions maybe the desperation feeling.. Which isn't good for manifestation because that is what will keep popping up my life the REALLY wanting part. that is the biggest struggle but trying to work with the book and improve.

Hi Alison

I think my problem has been imaging my future with a new baby but its always in the future...so far my understanding is that i need to imagine it is my present. I need to imagine looking at that test and it being positive. I feel i have done that hundreds of times but im not doing something right thats for sure. I am off work this week so i intend to read the book. I find it interesting and wonder how it works with the wealth stuff and jobs too....

all the best tomorrow...i look forward to hearing about it. im sure it will wizz by.

 

[alison29]

Hey you guys..I have a problem with chocolate too. I love that book so far. I am trying to imagine the chocolates are crummy and dirty and will make feel nauseated (from the book). lol. Also I really can't stand my dh when I have PMS. I tell my friend here, "oh great dh is bugging me lots i must have PMS already". I do notice i become combative also so i have learned before i hit the roof it is pms time to count to ten and think of something else that it is me or rather i normally can put up with ever offense is occurring.
So still feeling anxious but thanks for the pep talk. but it will be over with soon enough.
tomorrow at 2 then outta hospital by 6. I will pop in if i live to let you guys know what they found. As far as the book and having the emotions of already being pregnant or having what i want (which is that) i have prob put out wrong emotions maybe the desperation feeling.. Which isn't good for manifestation because that is what will keep popping up my life the REALLY wanting part. that is the biggest struggle but trying to work with the book and improve.

Hi Alison

I think my problem has been imaging my future with a new baby but its always in the future...so far my understanding is that i need to imagine it is my present. I need to imagine looking at that test and it being positive. I feel i have done that hundreds of times but im not doing something right thats for sure. I am off work this week so i intend to read the book. I find it interesting and wonder how it works with the wealth stuff and jobs too....

all the best tomorrow...i look forward to hearing about it. im sure it will wizz by.

I think you are exactly right. Keep doing the present time imagery with things up close. I never thought about how we imagine things we already have close to ourselves whereas things we don't have far away. We are going to trick our subconcious minds yay! I too was doing the future thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Briss]

Alison, good luck tomorrow!! let us know how it goes.

I sometimes look around my flat and imagine where would my babies be and I can see them perfectly well. as I said because I am probably going mad from my despair I sometimes even talk to them .. that's how real it is to me. not getting me pregnant though yet

 

[Briss]

Blythe, I think with regards to these chinese medicine places, because we already know quite a lot how it works and what our deficiencies are it is probably not going to be difficult to determine whether the doc knows his stuff. I am considering how approach Dr Zhai: should I just listen to what she says or should I share how other doc treated me? I am hoping I can ask for a list of herbs and acu points for each major step in my cycle and do it cheaper elsewhere. They sent me a 3 page list of questions about our TTC history but I think I will also complete her questioner from the book to make our app more efficient. and prepare a list of questions to ask her about my and DH's deficiencies.

I did not know TCM had such controversy in China. That's really interesting. My DH was actually planning to go to China (which I am not allowing because of my O), it would have been so interesting to go there and see it for ourselves but he said he does not want to go with me because it's rather expensive and he wants to make sure he has really good time which is unlikely to happen with me around screaming "make love to me NOW"

I think about the money all the time, and Dr Zhai is SO expensive but then I used to spend lots of money on shopping (not anymore cos nothing looks good on me) and on such things as laser hair removal!! I mean it was life changing really getting rid of most unwanted hair but 700 pounds per visit every 2 months ... (I had LOTS of unwanted hair). I know I need to be saving for IVF and mortgage actually (we are so far away from having our own place) but it would be so much better if I could get pregnant naturally

MY FS did not call me back, maybe tomorrow. I am so not looking forward to it but I just hope since my DH's SA, his sperm has improved cos it's been over a month without beer and on supps

 

[Blythe]

Its quite interesting...an old friend of my DH trained as a TCM practitioner and did further training in Shanghai in one of the many integrated hospitals they have in C now. The docs hold degrees in both western and eastern medicine and use both in conjunction or exclusively depending on the illness.

a trip to C would be incredible but i don't blame you for not letting him go...once you are pregnant you can wave him off!

i used to spend alot on waxes and always wanted that laser removal treatment....has it lasted?

as Dr Z is so expensive i think you are doing exactly the right thing....squeeze everything out of it that you can....she is there to serve you. I don't think there is anything wrong at all in letting her know what your other doc focused on....although i would only say that after she has said what she thinks your deficiencies are....and perhaps even after the treatment itself as you don't want it effecting subconsciously what points she will needle.

with the whole manifesting stuff im going to focus on finding out i am pregnant, seeing the two lines and those first few days of being pregnant and build it up from that. I will try to set aside a few minutes here and there throughout my day and really try to feel it and imagine what room i am in when i look at my test and what the weather is like on that day etc etc

 

[Briss]

laser removal for me was simply life changing! before that I used epilators which was so painful and I had to use it at least once a week and it took about 2-3 hours to do what I needed. I was suffering so badly, if I missed a week then it became a torture. also there were areas where I simply could not use epilator – just too painful to bear. I used laser everywhere even down there (did not help though). the best parts were legs, hands, arms, face, armpits and bikini lines. I did about 12 -14 treatments and well over 20 on my face (very difficult area) and I stopped when we started TTC about 3 years ago. I still have some hair left but nothing compare to what it used to be, nowadays I just use my epilator ones every 2-3 months and it takes about 20 min to go through my legs and arms. face (upper lip in particular) is getting slightly worse but I am not doing anything until I have my 3 children!

I think it's so easy to imagine two lines… I have to stop myself doing that all the time, I tend to get carried away in my dreams I can see so well reaction of my mum and my close family, my own feelings – this unbelievable joy and a feeling of true happiness. In TWW I always behave as if I am pregnant (trying to stop myself because with AF approaching it becomes heart-breaking), it helps that I have the right type of smallish bump so I constantly touch it imagining I have a tiny baby growing inside.

it seems that there is two conflicting theories: one says forget about TTC and it will happen and the other says constantly think about being pregnant and it will happen. I guess we need to pick one and stick with it

Blythe, can you talk to your DH's friend who it TCM practitioner? maybe he can recommend a good doc in London? I actually offered my DH to come with him to china (So exciting isn't?) but the cost becomes rather too much and also he does not seem to want to go with me … actually that's exactly what I told him, once I am pregnant you can do whatever you want and go wherever you want but as soon as I give birth you are back to looking after your sperm cos we need to start making the second one straightaway. I used to think I will be breastfeeding for as long as possible but now with my time running out I may have to cut it to 6 months so we could start trying for our second. you can see how easy it is for me to make plans in TWW, but if AF turns up I will start questioning my life, purpose everything. these days I can only live in TWW where I can just create my little imaginary world of "maybe I am already pregnant", the other day when I was flying back to London they wanted me to go through the scanner at the airport but I said I could not cos I am pregnant so they let me in without scanning, obviously after that AF came and I was devastated for about a week but here I come again…

 

[Blythe]

i was always thinking i would have 2 but now im thinking of ordering 3. As i have a week off im going to do a little board or at least a list of exactly how i want my life to look like....i have always been quite vague about it really.

My only problem with the stop obsessing/thinking about it/give up school of thought is that i cannot do it [maybe need to get to the 3 yr point to do that] so im going to give this one a go..even though im not temping this cycle or OPKing although to be honest thats just because we are at DH's mums this weekend so we can only BD friday night and monday when i return from work then i think i would have O by then.

DH's friend [actually ex-girlfriend] did her training in SF and lives there. I do know that she did herbs and acu so cannot imagine she would recommend ZW or Gerald Kite or those guys just doing acu without herbs....i suppose what they have is a specialism in fertility which alot of the high st chinese practitioners don't seem to have.... not sure if you have already checked these ones out:

https://www.tcm-healthcare.co.uk

https://clinic.acumedic.com/therapies/i/fertility-clinic/20/

https://www.whatclinic.com/traditio.../london/london-nw-district/the-hyde/viva-vita

https://www.clairebattersby.co.uk/about/introduction/

https://www.asante-academy.com/clinics.htm

https://acupuncture.blog.co.uk/2012...uncturist-for-infertility-treatment-14866163/

If i had the cash i would go to the latter or, of course, Dr Zhai.

Not so fussed now [due to only having sex with one man infrequently] but a few years ago i would have loved to have had by Bikini done and upper lip too....i use an epilator now on front bikini line but obviously not under...the pain is too awful. I will be getting the razor out ahead of my HSG....lord knows why i care but i do!

 

[MalaMae]

Hi girls,

Have been reading you all, just didn't post anything, I'm trying not to obsess too much.
Anyway, regarding meditation, a lot of Indian friends told me of Baba Ramdev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdev) meditations and yoga. I did find a lot of his videos on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/babaramdev/videos?view=0
He has for "childless couples", "low sperm count", weight loss etc.
Sorry, maybe you already heard of him, but for me it's totally new.
I like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwYJDH1mQkQ

 

[MalaMae]

This one too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZtwSA5fvE

 

[vix1972]

I have a question about acupuncture. I went for acupuncture today as i have been once a week for just over 4 months. Normally the Dr asks to see my tongue and takes my pulse before treatment and prescribing herbs. Today she just stared at me for a minute while i was talking to the receptionist and when i came out after treatment both the Dr and the receptionist were very smiley and upbeat. I wondered how on earth she could tell anything by just looking at me?! Anyone else have this happen?? Its just not the norm based on previous treatment.

 

[alison29]

No endo and tubes clea. I am shocked . Soo what is it? Must be mental or timing!?

 

[alison29]

Thanks for the yoga video. Blythe I am going to try moreemeditation to reinforce the positivr feelings of bfp. Iwill also do the yoga I lve it don't do enough but feel best physically and emotionally when I do....its weird but iam sad I don't have endo still no answer..I like to loook my best for gyn tooo. When i s your hsg? Thanks for being such great friends u guys.

 

[alison29]

Vix maybe she was going symptoms. They halve donne pulse and tongue for me both pllaces

 

[shiseru]

Hello ladies

Though am not posting but am following up closely on your progress.

Alison glad there is no blocked tubes or endo, what did the doctor suggest next? How's your DH semen?

Vix, the Sinseh will always take my pulse and look at my tongue sometimes my eyes each time i visit her. I've been told i have a little kidney deficiency so she said it's probably due to stress and fatigue.

I did experience sore back the last few months but it got better recently. I had a few times acu and started yoga, I am so glad I started on yoga, it has been a long time since I feel so relax and stress-free!

Today is CD9, I am gonna jump my DH bones lol this week!

 

[Blythe]

I have a question about acupuncture. I went for acupuncture today as i have been once a week for just over 4 months. Normally the Dr asks to see my tongue and takes my pulse before treatment and prescribing herbs. Today she just stared at me for a minute while i was talking to the receptionist and when i came out after treatment both the Dr and the receptionist were very smiley and upbeat. I wondered how on earth she could tell anything by just looking at me?! Anyone else have this happen?? Its just not the norm based on previous treatment.

Vix - where are you in your cycle, pre or post ovulation? Some tcm practioners can tell if someone is pregnant through their pulse. It is possible that you can just tell by looking at someone but that would be a bit crazy in the 2ww period and impressive so be sure to update us if that is the case. Perhaps she just happy with your progress and can see you are getting better from your skin tone, eye brightness, va va vooooom etc either way that reactn sounds like good news and like your treatment is continuing to make things better with you

 

[Blythe]

No endo and tubes clea. I am shocked . Soo what is it? Must be mental or timing!?

Unexplained infertility is frustrating but at least everything is looking good inside and nothing blocking the way! I think its pure luck......all those sperm released and only a few get near the egg......one month everything will align and the magic stuff WILL happen....keep on going with the supps, PMA etc