Chinese Accupuncture

[Briss]

UCH is asking me do the ovarian reserve testing all over again to determine whether IVF is the right option for us. how very depressing. I wonder if I can somehow cheat my FSH/AMH? I was thinking of taking estradinol which can suppress FSH (just until I've done the test) but then they will also check my estroginol level so they will see it's abnormally high and discount FSH result. also since I have short cycles my estradinol rises naturally quicker so by day 4 it'll be high enough on its own to supress FSH but then again I do not know if FSH is also increasing by day 4? My head is spinning what do I do to get FSH lower by next week? they did not sound terribly enthusiastic about us and said in very exceptional circumstances they can offer natural IVF under NHS but very unlikely. I do not even know what to hope for.

my temp depresses me cos it's terribly low for post O and it's getting even lower. I am suspecting something is not right with my thyroid which lowered my body temp so much before and after O. I doubt 12 days of herbs could have done it.

 

[Blythe]

Briss - you really are spinning with this one. all you can do is get the bloods done and wait and see what they say….you are working with a great guy to reduce the FSH so you never know that may be working already and it may be reflected in your results. I wonder what they have as their bar for ok'ing treatment…

I really have no clue about what supplements you could take that would have an effect within such a short space of time. i would avoid any supplements which could effect it anyhow as they would use those results to determine what meds you would take so you want that to be right.

I was thinking of you yesterday morning and had a very strong feeling you would be announcing a pregnancy and that it would happen naturally for you. I hope it is a premonition and that it comes true for you very soon

 

[Briss]

Blythe, I am really bad at letting go and I do not think dr E's treatment can have results so quickly. I pretty much know my FSH is going to be either high or very high. so cheating is the only way they did not say what's their cut off as they want to keep their options open I guess. and they are not going to give me another chance and repeat the tests if they happen to be bad next cycle (unless something is very off)

I am actually thinking of loading myself with vitamin D cos i think it can artificially increase AMH. he said 7 was too low my september one was below 7 so it cant be naturally more than that something has to be done. I am panicking like my life depends on this.

he told me with my stats it's most likely going to be a short protocol.

totally love your premonition! so nice to hear that somebody believes it can happen for us. I even feel like I believe it myself!

I am feeling like I am about to start spotting again and wonder if I should check my progesterone tomorrow before work. hate to get up so early so maybe not. I've been taking strong B vitamin complex but it does not seem to be working here

 

[mandi21a]

I got my TCM acupuncture bfp after 21 months, I specifically was looking for this thread to give you ladies hope... I did 2x a week (mon and Friday) acupuncture, along with herb pills (angelica, and the little round black ones) as well as the tea of roots and bark which I truly believe is key! ... On my first apt. I asked him how long until it works, he told me 3-4 months ... 3 rd month, BFP !!... The first 2 months were no trying. And even when I tried and lied saying I didn't, he felt my pulse and called me on my BS ! So the 2nd month I legitimately didn't try (which was very hard) .. He was born and studied in china, which is all I would go for, not an American/canadian trained. Please ask any questions, I'm happy to answer. I would strongly recommend anyone I know to try TCM before fertility treatments.
Keep our hopes up and good luck !!!

 

[Breaking Dawn]

Hello ladies....sorry for being MIA. I've been on a course for work and it's drained every ounce of what energy I have left.

Hope everyone is dong well....I hope to catchup with all of you on Friday. (Vacation day + u/s day) eek!

 

[Blythe]

Briss. My amh is lower than yours and it was not an issue. I'm glad they are looking at SP as I know that was your preference.

Breaking hello please report back on scan....very exciting

Mandi - it's great that it worked for you. Congratulations

 

[Jazzbird]

Briss - sorry to read about the clinic. Are you going for ivf under NHS or privately? Would it make a difference or would they still come to the same conclusion?

I agree with Blythe - I know it's hard but you must let go and hope the results will be ok. If they aren't, you are doing something about it. I still think your herbs can make a difference this quickly. What is Dr E advising?

There is one thing I am certain of with you Briss - you will find a way - you are determined and that's what counts. Trying to mess with your FSH will only hurt you in the long run. So very hard to but you must trust it will be ok.

Xxx

 

[Briss]

spotting again 11 DPO! definitely need to check my progesterone. it's not just spotting it always comes with very particular AF type feeling/mild cramping, do not even know how to describe it but I just know it's an indication of AF but it usually happens just before AF not 5 days before AF. it cant be nothing cos it's third cycle in a row + lower body temp, something is up. Cant understand what's happening. Could the trip to NZ affect my hormones? I did read somewhere that sometimes travelling to different time zones can affect health. is it really possible?

Blythe, I guess your lower AMH was not an issue cos of good FSH and really good AFC. they told me they look at all three in combination.

Jazzbird, at the moment it's under the NHS. I am not sure what happens if they decide IVF is not for us. I doubt the private unit will take us so we will probably have to go privately to Lister clinic or Germany. I guess you are right I should not mess with my hormones considering that my cycle is totally our of order as it is.

Mandi, congratulations, H&H 9

 

[BBbliss]

Briss, look at your sig "everything will be all right..." Have faith, try to put your attention on everything that's going right for you, you ARE in good health, you take good care of yourself, you are going above and beyond in every aspect of TTC, your relationship has improved, pat yourself on the back and buy yourself some flowers you deserve it!

Breaking, good luck on your U/s! How exiting to be there already!


I was in NYC last weekend for my sister's BBshower and really tried to soak in all that creating life energy, she looks really beautiful. I was at one of my favorite stores in the city and picked up a book about child birth, opened it on the first chapter, first paragraph and it read "Have you ever heard your unborn children calling? Long before my son was born I could hear him", I smiled to myself and bought the book. I'm almost half way through the book and I love it. It's parked with exercises and meditations on everything from letting go of the past, misconceptions, old stories, traumas, bad energy and more on creating a new perspective and preparing to conceive, caring and birthing a new life. I recommend! It's called DreamBirth by Catherine Shainbrg. It's really helping me stay positive and calm waiting for my FET. I had a scan today and my lining is 8mm and they will call me later with instructions if I should take my estrace prescription or when to start my progesterone shots. FET will be Tuesday or Wednesday next week. I'm also going to start daily Reiki on my second chakra and continue after transfer.

I hope all my ladies are doing well, Jazz, ging, melly, breaking, Blythe, Alison and kits

 

[Briss]

my 11 DPO progesterone came at 10.5 ng/ml which is confusing. it seems to be a different scale which I do not quite understand. Does anyone know if this is a high enough level or not?

ref:
Follicular 0.10 - 0.54
Luteal 1.50 - 20.0
Ovulation 0.12 - 6.22
Menopause < 0.41

I think (from my reading) on this scale they want 15-20 to confirm ovulation (which is around 7 DPO and when progesterone production peaks) but 11 days after O progesterone starts to decrease gradually (I think) so it can be lower I am just not sure by how much. I am pretty sure I ovulated based on my temp/CBFM. am I correct to think that 10.5 ng/ml is too loo for 11 DPO and my progesterone is dropping earlier than it should, which can explain the spotting?

I wonder if my corpus luteum is not great because of some problem with follicles: poor follicles make for poor corpus luteum

still confusing cos some say 10 is enough for good ovulation which means it should be considered a pretty high level for 11 DPO https://trmbaby.com/for-patients/library/testing/women/ovulation/serum/ but then why am I spotting?

 

[gingmg]

Briss- I spot before every AF too, it was always so frustrating, but no one at the clinic seemed to care, especially because I eventually moved on to fertility drugs and progesterone supplementation. Not sure why they never thought it was a big deal. I was always convinced that my progesterone levels were low, but no one ever checked. I think a level of greater than 10 is good for a natural cycle and greater than 15 or 20 for a medicated cycle (or so I have read on here). I hope you can get it sorted out. For an IVF cycle you will be on supplementation so it will be ok. There was a few cycles last year that I bought over the counter progesterone cream, don;t remember if it helped the spotting or not, but figured it couldn't hurt. I would think 10.5 is very good for 11dpo, you probably were even higher a few days ago.

BBliss- Love the book. You always seem to pull me right out of what ever head space I can get stuck in. Thank you. Ahhhh transfer is soooooo close now!!!! YAY!!

 

[alison29]

Just wanted to say Hi. I don't have answers today.

 

[kits]

Congrats Mandi!

It's funny how I get so envious whenever I hear of anyone getting pregnant in real life, but as soon as one of us here announces a BFP, it's amazing & totally awesome news!! Funny huh?

Briss, I agree with the ladies. Try to take it easy, but I wish I had half your determination. Hang in there chick, good things will come!

I thought staying away would help during my TWW, but it's not made that much of a difference .. I'm a bit blue waiting. I'm not sure why.

On top of that I'm not getting any acupuncture until the 27th!

*Sigh* I have a whole bunch of internet HPT cheapies & yep I've been testing on several days & they've all been negative. On top of that my BBT thermometer broke so my chart has been all funky which gets me down. Not sure of it's accuracy. I felt almost as warm as the last time my temp peaked yet the numbers were quite low today

Might have to spend the money I'm saving on my acu on a massage to pick me up.

I did take a spinning class on Tuesday, I debated all day as to whether to take it or not because I thought I shouldn't be doing any exercises that were too extreme, but i went for it anyway.

Sorry for venting ladies.

Best of luck & loads of

 

[BBbliss]

Aww thank you ging, right after I posted I went back to my book and the very next paragraph said "don't let your mind run away with " what ifs" and catastrophic or negative thoughts. Trust that the light guiding your feet on the path of well-being and happiness will not fail you and will guide you all the way"

I must have read that line 10 times, LOL

So my estrogen level is great and I start progesterone tonight and FET is Tuesday afternoon, yay!

 

[Blythe]

Briss - just a quick one. See Barbara story on p. 186 of randine Lewis.

Bbbliss - very excited to hear about your upcoming transfer xx

 

[kits]

Hey

 

[Briss]

kits, look at your chart! congratulations!

 

[kits]

I keep trying to post, but nothing!!!! This is what happened this morning...

My internet cheapies weren't really showing much except had a bit of a smudge but it's not showing up photos. So I decided to try my clear blue digital I had from before that never showed positive before, not even during my chemical.. And bang there it is.

Not sure if to trust it. As soon as I get a chance I'm buying a few different brands & retesting.

Eeeeeek!!! If it's true, I really hope it sticks!

 

[Briss]

kits, I'd totally trust clearblue, cheapies are rubbish. you can always try FRER, I found them the best and the most sensitive but if clearblue gave you "pregnant" you must have a good beta level cos clearblue digital is not very sensitive. very promising!!

 

[BBbliss]

Kits!!! Very very good morning to you!!!! Congratulations! This is going to be a great weekend for you. A positive is a positive! X

Another positive on here yay!