Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

I have also brought a nut milk bag - yeahhhhh we can make milk [virtually] together!!

i went to an aerobics class earlier this morning and there was an dangerously underweight woman next too me doing all the high impact versions of the exercises. i was stunned that she made it though the class. Her jaw and lips had lost all excess weight and she just looked like a skull on sticks. Her bum was concave and the bones were jutting out.

i felt sad but had other feelings about it too. I know genetics sometimes comes into it but she must have some kind of eating disorder as it was very shocking. I wonder if the instructors or the gym itself are able to say anything. I would not have let her in my class if i was running it but i guess its a very delicate subject. Perhaps her exercising is about her returning to health and maybe part of a programme.

anyhow, i am off to acu later today. i do really love my new chap but i have had a very obvious bruise on the side of my head all week and it has drawn comments. I know it bleed alot when he took the needle out so must have punctured a vein as the bruising is quite widespread....not a great look.

 

[Briss]

We are in Munich enjoying local Xmas market and lots and lots of mulled wine AF turned up so nothing can stop me now. Am sad but hopeful.

When I was skinny i was still rather soft but even than my Nigerian friends thought me seriously underweight (they would always come up with names for that rhymes with anorexia which was rather annoying) I guess they have totally different standards of beauty and skinny is just not considered beautiful. I totally agree about that skinny lady in your class, anarexia is in the head and exercising is often used as a suicide tool, that can be really dengerous. Hopefully there is some prior arrangement with this lady to allow her to the class. I used read a lot on this trying to understand their physic so I could get myself to take control over my weight but I miserably failed I just do not have it in me I guess deep down i like myself even when i look fat.

I had a bad case of acne a couple of days after EC and it lasted the entire tww am on epo this cycle hoping this would help with hormones.

I asked the doc about my terrible headaches with vomiting at the start if my cycle but he just said its normal prescribed untisickness and pain relief tablets to take every cycle for the first few days. This is just outrageous! So unhelpful it cannot be normal and surely its a sign of something? I almost told him it was clearly liver chi stagnation but then realised he probably knows nothing of this stuff. Am not taking his tablets

Which nut milk bag did you buy? Mine is nylon I think, I was not sure its good but people were praising it a lot.

 

[Vonn]

The company my acu clinic now uses for it's herbal tinctures for infertility is called conceivable. They have an app & send a bunch of emails, and one of their main messages is that pms symptoms are not normal. If everything is balanced just right you should eliminate your lining without tons of pain, whether it be tender breasts, headaches, cramps, etc. that makes sense to me.

Briss--what's your feeling about the Munch clinic? Do you still have more meetings to come?

 

[Blythe]

Germany is certainly a lovely place to be this time of year. I guess your appt is tomorrow so i hope you get a good feel for the place and that you have a really good feeling. It is going to happen for you Briss - anytime now and i really cannot wait to hear your announcement when it comes

i brought these ones:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20101567...49&var=500218597493&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


i have just made these...they are cooling off:

https://deliciouslyella.com/recipe/chocolate-oat-cookies-and-a-cook-book/

I will report back once consumed.


Vonn - i had a lovely acu treatment earlier. for the very first time he cupped my ovaries and uterus!!! Have you had any cupping yet? i have only ever had it on my back before now. Now i would not usually like that this time in my cycle by i am 3/4 days away from AF and i know i am not pregnant so i was happy for him to do what ever. I will probably not make an appt with him half way during 2WW in future as he never asks me where i am in cycle so i dont want to get any implanted embryos [yeah right!!] suctioned out.

 

[Laummatt]

Hello.

I was wondering if I could join you on this thread? I'm 37 and am thinking of trying for number 4. I conceived my two youngest after acupuncture and herbs, I'm convinced it helped. I'm considering seeing him again, but then thats admitting I def do want another... Still in limbo land, just wish it would happen and surprise us!
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[alison29]

Welcome to the thread! Do you have three boys?

 

[Laummatt]

Welcome to the thread! Do you have three boys?

Thank you!!

Yes I do, they are lovely and very lively! It's Birthday month here (they all arrived between Dec 5th and Jan 3rd) so obviously no planning there... They are (or will be shortly) 7, 4 & 2yrs.
It was just so interesting to read what I have read of this thread so far. This was me, with number 2 particularly. We tried for a while and I found myself at the acupuncturist miserable and my body in a mess. He gave me treatments every fortnight and herbs to drink - like black coffee. I finished the cycle I was on with NO pain at all, after just one treatment - he wasn't surprised. I then had one cycle with him treating me and no pregnancy, but it was 'healthier', if you know what I mean. The next cycle I was pregnant! When trying for number 3 I just went straight to him and was pregnant within 2 months.
How long have you all been trying? Do you have children already?

 

[Briss]

Blythe, when are you going to start nut milking? I got all my ingredients so i am ready the bag looks nothing much tbh I hope it works.

re Munich, we liked the clinic and DH liked the German doc more than our Czech doc but we had to repeat most of our bloods (including AMH), scan etc which was annoying but they would not accept results from other clinics. The doc seemed knowledgeable but again as soon as he saw I have a few follicles he suggested stims. in the end he said they would do whatever we ask but he just thought I have better chances with stims as with at least half of all natural IVFs do not get any eggs (don't I know it!)). anyway, they can't do any EC after 15 Dec and I am ovulating after 17th so they won't be able to take us before next year. My only hope for this year is Brno but I am still waiting to hear from them. The natural cycle will cost around 1,000 euro with IMSI but if no eggs collected we would still need to pay 660 for the procedure. stim cycle costs around 2,000 + meds. I have to say that not once did he say anything about me being old or referred to my eggs quality or anything negative like that. English is an issue as some of the staff only speaks German. They do have foreign patients but most come from all over Germany. Basically from my perspective this trip was a bit of a waste of money because I did not learn anything new but this is just part of the process of being accepted I guess so I just need to let it go. We loved Munich, it was my first time in Bavaria so i can write it off as holiday expenses

interestingly they approach natural IVF similar to Brno - no sedation and no antibiotics, they do flush follicles though

 

[Vonn]

Welcome, Laumatt! Wow, sounds like acu really does the trick for you. That's pretty amazing. What is your traditional chinese medicine diagnosis that they can so easily turn around?

I think mine has been great for my emotional well-being (my acu doc is so kind and helpful). But there's only been minimal physical improvement, in my opinion. I've got "stubborn" issues.

Blythe--I've never done cupping. Sounds interesting! I'll def ask my acu doc about it.

Briss--Glad to hear the appt went well overall, no red flags is always a good thing. Bummer they can't fit you in. I hope Brno can so you can get your new year's bfp.

Hi Alison!

 

[Blythe]

Briss. I'm sorry they could not fit you in prior to Xmas. But of a Sid they feel it necessary to do their own bloods


I have not heard of follie flushing before ....

I have not revived my bag yet and need to get more almonds too. Do I need any other ingredients?

 

[Briss]

samanthajohn, welcome! I hope you will get lucky quickly.

Vonn, nice temp rise! why did you put O on day 13? I think it may have been day 14?

Blythe, I am using Path labs for my blood test cos they send you the results within 2 hours and the Polish lady who does the tests is also former TTCer so we have a bit of a TTC update every time I come in. She knows ladies who went to Serum and a few other clinics in Europe. usually you pay 30 pounds for each hormone but AMH will be more expensive – 80 https://www.thepathlab.co.uk/ - there is a price list on their website. Cant you do it in CR? It will be cheaper there. You can either call them or send an email.

Day 2 is fine but your FSH will be a bit higher because oestrogen is usually low on day 2.

I am regretting starting EPO this cycle cos it delays my ovulation and Brno can only do the last EC on my day 13. otherwise they cant fit ET before their Christmas break. fingers crossed my ovulation behaves. There will be a lot of planning in the last moment and I am sure people will get cross at work if I suddenly book pre-Christmas annual leave – everyone usually books it in November so I will be way out of line. cant care less as long as I can get my egg safely to Brno and my perfect embryo back!

Shall we try nut milking this evening? Let me know when you are all set. You do not need anything else just water, nuts and the bag but some ladies recommend adding a date to the mix for sweetness. I think I will try it naturally first to get used to the taste and then will start experimenting with dates.

I was reading about follie flushing vs. just follicular aspiration and apparently flushing increases EC success in natural IVf but makes no difference in stim IVF. the German doc says flushing takes a second so I wont notice the difference. I am OK with that.

I found a lady on B&B who got lucky at this Munich clinic so I am very happy I have somebody who can help with my questions. and it does seem to be normal in Germany to get all your tests repeated.

 

[Blythe]

oh thats great - thank you so much. Is it a walk in clinic? I just tried to email them but it pinged back to me.

I have my nut bag but my almonds are not blanched So i will purchase some online later and start again this weekend. I may have some cashew nuts though...maybe i will try them.

 

[Briss]

I actualy walked-in once and it was fine they took me in but it's still better to book in advance. I sometimes just call them to ask if i can turn up in 30 min and they usualy say it's fine.They are not big on starting early so if you want to come around 9.30 best to make sure they know you are coming.

almonds do not need to be blanched actually. i have both cos i want to see the difference. I think you can milk any nuts

 

[Blythe]

I have ordered some blanched almonds but will try with the others too. I had some wine earlier and Pringles and now feel yucky.

Briss are you stopping the epo now?

Yeah sod work. You will be off on maternity leave later next year and it just won't matter at all.

Jeeeezzzzz iPhones anoy me. I have just had to correct about 10 mistakes. I just cannot type on the darn things.

 

[Briss]

I gave up correcting mistakes when I type on my phone, it's just so time consuming. I think everyone learns to read what you actually meant to say rather than what your phone typed

Do you think I should stop EPO?

 

[Vonn]

I am very curious about this nut-making process. You two are treating your bodies so well!

As for my ov date, I actually triggered with ovidrel this month the evening of the 11th for a CD 13 ovulation because my lining and follicles looked good when I went in on CD 10 and 11 for monitoring scans. Ovidrel tends to mess with temps, so that's why my temp has just inched up, never got a very good jump after ov.

Post HSG + perfectly-timed BD = Dec BFP (???????) I hope!!!

 

[Blythe]

Briss - I think if you stop epo you can be reasonably sure of your usual ovukation times. I would stop it if you want to get over to reprofit before Xmas.

Vonn a Xmas bfp would be amazing . You have everything lined up for it and I'm keeping everything crossed for you

Samanthajohn. Welcome.

 

[Briss]

I think you are right. I will stop EPO once AF is over. My headache was sort of starting yesterday, it was building up all day and in the evening I was just so scared it's going to turn ugly last time so I took some painkillers. not great but I really cant go through a day of non-stop vomiting. mild headache is still here this morning but I am holding up, really do not want to take any more pain killer considering I am growing my lucky egg.

had to find a way out of a business trip to Egypt next week cos I might go to Brno. TTC and career just don't mix that well.

Vonn, join us in our nut milking madness! I have not tried it yet but everyone says it's delicious and by watching the videos it seems like an easy thing to do but you do need to pre-soak the nuts overnight that's the only difficult part.

I have not actually been treating my body well last couple of weeks, lots of unhealthy German sausages, mulled wine, pancakes… basically lots of eating out which can never be a healthy thing

I am really curious about your timed BD cycle. Did your doc specify any particular time for BD? You should expect to start ovulating around 35-37 hours after the trigger shot (at least that's when they schedule EC) but I wonder what your doc recommended as perfect BD timing?

I am so hoping for a Christmas miracle BFP for you!

 

[alison29]

Hi everyone!
Vonn that sounds promising and someone else on the other thread just got a BFP after HSG (jessie I think?) It really does help to clear the cobwebs away. Plus you know that clomid and ovedriel are doing some magic.

Samantha you sound pretty fertile that is amazing that you get pregnant so quickly. I have two kids who will turn 7 in february (boy/girl) I am pretty fertility challenged...Not doing too much proactive for fertility right now. Just dumping money towards Christmas. I am just getting over a cold so have back tracked on caffeine consumption as well as taken tons of ibuprofen (pre ovulation right now) My mom will be staying in town this weekend which doesn't exactly make bding sound great.

 

[alison29]

Briss you travel alot for work. I hope you can get out of the Egypt trip.