Clomid Buddies (moved to LTTTC board)

[Babydust28]

My temp dropped this morning so I guess AF will show her face tonight or tomorrow. Hitting me a little hard this time...its been 13 unsuccessful cycles! Only have 2 more cycles left on Clomid before we then get referred onto a Fertility Specialist

Remember you're not out until AF shoespecially... I really hope she stays away for you.
I had 2 days of dropping temp so I was expecting AF and then yday morning and this morning it's gone back up but it's crazy because I have tested yesterday and got a so who knows what my body is doing.

It's hard to keep positive when each cycle is a knock back but try take each cycle as it comes. If it happens that you have to go back to specialist try and keeput positive ready to try the next step...who knows... you might never have to go back because you still have time to get that sticky bean
Hang in there...

 

[Aphy]

Babydust, any chance that that dip is implantation related?

 

[Babydust28]

Not sure, it would mean implantation at 12dpo, is that not a bit late?

 

[Aphy]

Don't want to get your hopes up but 12dpo implantation is possible. I have my fx that your temp stays up!

 

[Babydust28]

Don't want to get your hopes up but 12dpo implantation is possible. I have my fx that your temp stays up!

Thank you hun.
I don't have my hopes up I literally feel like I can take af on now... I would be obviously over the moon if I got my bfp this month but then I'm not confident I will after 2 BFNs.
I don't feel like af is on her way but sometimes I don't have anything until she's here and then the cramps start.
Surely clomid should've regulated me considering its been confirmed that I did O.

 

[Babydust28]

Aphy- it's mad you low temp is actually a pretty high temp for me. I just looked at our charts.
Mine dropped and went back up so I have faith yours could do the same

 

[Aphy]

Thanks Babydust, I appreciate the hopefulness. Temp is only .1 degree above what it was previous AF which is why I am not positive about it. Still no sign of AF though...3 out of my 4 previous cycles I got spotting for 3-4 days before AF but none of that either. If she doesn't show by tomorrow night I will test again

 

[Babydust28]

Thanks Babydust, I appreciate the hopefulness. Temp is only .1 degree above what it was previous AF which is why I am not positive about it. Still no sign of AF though...3 out of my 4 previous cycles I got spotting for 3-4 days before AF but none of that either. If she doesn't show by tomorrow night I will test again

I'll say a little prayer for you

 

[Norelisa]

Thanks Babydust, I appreciate the hopefulness. Temp is only .1 degree above what it was previous AF which is why I am not positive about it. Still no sign of AF though...3 out of my 4 previous cycles I got spotting for 3-4 days before AF but none of that either. If she doesn't show by tomorrow night I will test again

I'll say a little prayer for you

Fingers crossed for both of you!!

Tomorrow I'll do the xray (hsg) and ask to do a ultrasound too while at it. I might also go for ovidrel trigger, but might get it from my gp (she is English, so I call her my gp) I will be on cd11 tomorrow, but I'll see what he says.. Will probably read up on femara / options for clomid and ask for that too.. Will be a bit expensive, but less expensive than going in three times, the Dr fee being 2000thb each time.. Haha

I'm taking folic acid since last year (I had to change my epilepsy medicine as I was previously given orifil, luckily I never took it much as it's horrible). vitamins are awfully expensive here, missing asda and tesco prices though there are tesco lotus here, maybe I'll go and have a look later...

Do you know if the ultrasound can confirm the thickness of the lining? I've read it shouldn't be too thin nor too tick.. If not, how can it be measured?

Kitty went back to Paws Bangkok today, sad, but he has his own big space, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he will find another foster home or forever home soon.. Going back on Thursday to see him

 

[Babydust28]

Thanks Babydust, I appreciate the hopefulness. Temp is only .1 degree above what it was previous AF which is why I am not positive about it. Still no sign of AF though...3 out of my 4 previous cycles I got spotting for 3-4 days before AF but none of that either. If she doesn't show by tomorrow night I will test again

I'll say a little prayer for you

Fingers crossed for both of you!!

Tomorrow I'll do the xray (hsg) and ask to do a ultrasound too while at it. I might also go for ovidrel trigger, but might get it from my gp (she is English, so I call her my gp) I will be on cd11 tomorrow, but I'll see what he says.. Will probably read up on femara / options for clomid and ask for that too.. Will be a bit expensive, but less expensive than going in three times, the Dr fee being 2000thb each time.. Haha

I'm taking folic acid since last year (I had to change my epilepsy medicine as I was previously given orifil, luckily I never took it much as it's horrible). vitamins are awfully expensive here, missing asda and tesco prices though there are tesco lotus here, maybe I'll go and have a look later...

Do you know if the ultrasound can confirm the thickness of the lining? I've read it shouldn't be too thin nor too tick.. If not, how can it be measured?

Kitty went back to Paws Bangkok today, sad, but he has his own big space, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he will find another foster home or forever home soon.. Going back on Thursday to see him

I had an internal ultrasound and they measured my lining that way hun
X

 

[2much]

Ya everything alternative is out of pocket (but that's the same as for traditional fertility treatments for me too). My health insurance covers 500 for acupuncture, but that's used up by now. It's $95 a session and they want you in once a week so it is a costly intervention (albeit not as much as IVF). That's why I figure I'm okay to go with it now for a few months until I'm ready to start western treatments. They say it can take up to 3-6 cycles of weekly acupuncture sessions to have the full impact on fertility. But if you consider that most people statistically will be pregnant in that time frame anyway it's kind of a wash. I feel like it's helping my stress levels and I have seen some improvement in my flow so I'll continue going for now.

Also I'm curious to see what kind of impact it will have for me with unexplained infertility. Because I'm unexplained I'm hoping that by sorting out stress and seeking body balance through TCM that, that will be enough. It's worth a try. When I do have to seek IUI/IVF at least I'll be able to say that I tried everything else that I could beforehand

I wouldn't mix herbs with femara or clomid though, who knows what kind of interaction that could have. I'm happy to try out herbs for now since I'm not planning to start femara for another 3 cycles.

In my opinion, it's worth trying the alternative treatment too, if someone can! I won't be trying the herbs, unless we decide to take a break from traditional medicine (which we will, after December).

2much: I tried some supplements to thicken my lining and I think it helped! I went from around 7mm to 9mm. This cycle I switched to Femara instead of clomid, and I also drank rasberry leaf tea, EPO, CoQ 10, L'arginine, and my prenatal vitamin. The rasberry tea/epo I only took it while I was on af(until I get flashing smiley on my ovulation kit). Maybe you can try some of these if you feel comfortable with them? Last cycle I had 4 follicles, and my doctor thinks it's because of the thin lining that's why even if fertilization did occur, it won't implant...but my dh just came back from a business trip last cycle before my fertile window...he went to Amsterdam...so maybe weeds had something to do with the bfn last cycle too...sometimes I just don't know anymore, I guess we can just try everything that might help, and hope for the best. Baby dust to everyone!


My lining was a bit thin last month due to Clomid. I'm glad Femara is working for you. I am going to ask about it next time. I don't know anything about the supplements but am really curious what everyone has to say. Good luck this month!

Oh thank you for the supplement info! I have raspberry leaf tea I am going to try. I just bought some Vitamin E because I read that is helpful too. I have been taking a presecribed prenatal (Vitafol Ultra) and will keep taking it.

You're right, we can just hope that everything will help in some shape or form. It's hard not to blame ourselves/each other.

 

[sarah2211]

Babydust, your temps have gone back up. When will you retest?

Nothing new for me, just having patchy CM that changes from creamy to watery and occasionally a bit stretchy. I haven't had any pains in my ovaries for at least 48 hours and my temps aren't doing anything. I know it's still early days but I'm worried I'm not going to ovulate at all this cycle.

 

[Norelisa]

Babydust, your temps have gone back up. When will you retest?

Nothing new for me, just having patchy CM that changes from creamy to watery and occasionally a bit stretchy. I haven't had any pains in my ovaries for at least 48 hours and my temps aren't doing anything. I know it's still early days but I'm worried I'm not going to ovulate at all this cycle.

Yeah, my CM seems to change its mind multiple times a day.. Not really sure what to feed my FF, haha If I put watery it says im fertilie, which is a bit annoying as I know I am not (like on CD 6-7-8)... I just hope it will stabilise a bit..

Does anyone know - if you ovulate with non-fertile CM, but using ex. Preseed /conceive easy etc, is that good enough? Or is the CM trying to tell you this is not your month / your body isn't in synch... ?

Ah well, following the election in the US for a bit before heading over to the hospital..

 

[Nita2806]

CD43, 6 days since my last provera and still no sign of AF.

 

[Nita2806]

Babydust, your temps have gone back up. When will you retest?

Nothing new for me, just having patchy CM that changes from creamy to watery and occasionally a bit stretchy. I haven't had any pains in my ovaries for at least 48 hours and my temps aren't doing anything. I know it's still early days but I'm worried I'm not going to ovulate at all this cycle.

Its still early days i am also very worried that I wont O on the increased dosis of Clomid.

 

[sarah2211]

If you ovulate without good quality CM but use enough preseed, I'd imagine that's probably as good as you're going to get. My CM sometimes doesn't line up with what's going on. I'll get patches of fertile CM throughout my cycle. I think the fertile CM is caused by your levels of estrogen (anyone correct me if I'm wrong) and as this increases nearing your O it should also increase in fertile quality. I've always read to put your most fertile CM into FF. My CM is definitely watery this afternoon. When I tried earlier it stretched about 1-1.5cm. Now it's not stretching at all. Who knows what's going on.

Nita, I'm sorry it's taking so long mine took 8 days last cycle and it was a 46 day cycle. I know exactly how frustrating it is waiting for AF. You can do anything until she comes.

I'm watching the election coverage too. What on earth are they thinking!! All of us not living in the States still have a lot to worry about. I'm using watching the election coverage as an excuse not to go for a run haha.

 

[sarah2211]

Nita, I'm worried about that too. If you don't ovulate on 100mg what do you think you'll do? I'm not sure if I want to give it 150mg or ask to switch to femara. From what I've read, Clomid resistance is more likely in overweight women and usually adding Metformin or Vitamin C is enough to make it work.

 

[Nita2806]

Nita, I'm worried about that too. If you don't ovulate on 100mg what do you think you'll do? I'm not sure if I want to give it 150mg or ask to switch to femara. From what I've read, Clomid resistance is more likely in overweight women and usually adding Metformin or Vitamin C is enough to make it work.

I am not too sure what I'll do, at this moment hoping for the best. I am trying to take some Vitamin C, eat healthier and try and do some excercise (I have a office job, so required to sit for 11 hours of the day) and hope it will work.

 

[sarah2211]

Yeah it's a scary prospect really. I'm trying to do the same, but I feel like it's almost out of our control. It's hard to even picture a baby at the end of thing, I'm just hoping for an egg to be released! It can really be hard to do exercise around work. I'm a kindergarten teacher so not exactly sitting on my backside all day, but it's not physically demanding.

 

[Nita2806]

Yeah it's a scary prospect really. I'm trying to do the same, but I feel like it's almost out of our control. It's hard to even picture a baby at the end of thing, I'm just hoping for an egg to be released! It can really be hard to do exercise around work. I'm a kindergarten teacher so not exactly sitting on my backside all day, but it's not physically demanding.

I understand - just wish an egg can be released. and then hope for a baby. And stressing about it isnt making it easier. But My Gynae said I dont have to worry she will help me make it a possibility. She told me her daughter went into early menopause at age 29 and with treatment she managed to get pregnant with twins, so we should not give up. There is hope, from what I have read is that Clomid is only the start and there are other options. And just remember that you are not alone - I am going through the same here and I think we must keep on being positive and also support each other because we both know how it feels

Also following the elections now - totally shocked!!