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Could use some advice - ex

Don't stop, very interested in your updates!

When FOB and his gf were dating, his gf actually wanted to meet me one-on-one. I carried a knife in my pocket in case she tried to murder me, but we met in a public place and actually got along, just wanted to touch base as far as me not wanting FOB and me not wanting her to play mommy. I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT TELL HER NO IF YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR CHILD!

Just have them arrange to meet in a public place, and if she does something stupid like try to hit your gf, that's going to look awfully great when you take her to court and get much more rights then she is giving you.

Go along with what she is letting you have now, and as she starts trusting you, you should definitely get more along the road.

:thumbup:
 
Hi, I don't usually reply to these kinds of posts because I don't have much experience in the single parent department but I did read some of the replies and I just wanted to put my two cents in a bit. Not to intrude to much

But with the advice of offering to help around the house and such of your ex, I'd probably keep that to a minimum until you know you're ex isn't still interested in being with you. Offering to come over and help, and being around so often can send mixed signals that might make things worse not better. After you've established that she's with someone else and she's okay with you being with someone else, I'd say go for it. but with some of your posts about worrying about her seducing you and such, it's just better not to send any kind of mixed signals.

But I am also all for supporting your child and being a responsible parent not only for emotional support but for financial so I'd certainly keep offering money and helping out with clothes and such. But I'd probably want to get something legally set for that too just so you both know what you'll be paying out each month.

Also I don't believe in the backing off going to court. I mean it is nice when two people can have a meeting of the minds, but I would never want to have someone have that kind of control over if I could see my child or not on their whim. When you have a court ordered set up it's easier to be more relaxed for both parties. Because you'll always be worried about pissing her off and her saying "well then no visitation for you this week!!!" and such. or her changing her mind if you say something that doesn't sit well with her. Court isn't to be mean, it is to have legal standing with your daughter that both people have to abide by.

I am all for understanding things from the woman's perspective, and how hard it is to part with your child. But I've rarely seen it end well when there isn't an order of custody, usually it ends in having to get it anyways in the long run. So better to go through the headache now, when the baby can't remember you not being there, rather then later when suddenly daddy's not around and she doesn't understand why.
 
Hi, I don't usually reply to these kinds of posts because I don't have much experience in the single parent department but I did read some of the replies and I just wanted to put my two cents in a bit. Not to intrude to much

But with the advice of offering to help around the house and such of your ex, I'd probably keep that to a minimum until you know you're ex isn't still interested in being with you. Offering to come over and help, and being around so often can send mixed signals that might make things worse not better. After you've established that she's with someone else and she's okay with you being with someone else, I'd say go for it. but with some of your posts about worrying about her seducing you and such, it's just better not to send any kind of mixed signals.

But I am also all for supporting your child and being a responsible parent not only for emotional support but for financial so I'd certainly keep offering money and helping out with clothes and such. But I'd probably want to get something legally set for that too just so you both know what you'll be paying out each month.

Also I don't believe in the backing off going to court. I mean it is nice when two people can have a meeting of the minds, but I would never want to have someone have that kind of control over if I could see my child or not on their whim. When you have a court ordered set up it's easier to be more relaxed for both parties. Because you'll always be worried about pissing her off and her saying "well then no visitation for you this week!!!" and such. or her changing her mind if you say something that doesn't sit well with her. Court isn't to be mean, it is to have legal standing with your daughter that both people have to abide by.

I am all for understanding things from the woman's perspective, and how hard it is to part with your child. But I've rarely seen it end well when there isn't an order of custody, usually it ends in having to get it anyways in the long run. So better to go through the headache now, when the baby can't remember you not being there, rather then later when suddenly daddy's not around and she doesn't understand why.

I can see what you're saying. The reason I gave the advice I did though was because as a single mom, I can tell you that all the duties involved (not just with the child care itself, but the chores associated with it) are overwhelming to manage all on your own and she resents that he hasn't had to do any of it. You'll see what I mean once you have your baby - they are constant work. Even when they're asleep, there will be stuff that to do. I was mainly thinking she could show him how to do stuff like prepare bottles or other stuff she does for Emma, which he has to learn anyway. That way he would see his daughter and get a feel for it all before just taking the baby away.

I think the main reason we all suggested he put off the legal action (for now) was because it may kill any civility and amiability thats possible between him and his ex. She would resent him forever for it, and the child would grow up the hostility. If things dont improve after some time, Id say he should consider it again but the ideal scenario would be to have them work out things between themselves and even be friends one day. If thats possible, I think he should give it a shot before taking her to court.

If youre not a single mom, then I dont think you really relate to why the ex has been so emotional and hostile. Being pregnant and alone" and not having an OH like 80% of the other moms out there is very isolating and an incredibly hard. My baby is nearly 9 months old now, and I still cringe when people ask me about her Dad or "my husband" and I feel awkward explaining that Im single and feel like shit afterwards every time. Having solicitors come after her now will be very upsetting for everyone involved and itll take forever for her to recover and forgive him. It sounds like shes coming around now, and I really think its really worth giving a fair chance before he starts getting lawyers and judges involved.
 
Thank you, I really do appreciate everybody's opinions.

Sophie has reluctantly agreed to meet with her, the reason she doesn't want to is she's afraid on confrontation. She's a very shy person and she's scared that Kate's going to upset her and make things worse. She's going to go to a public place, and we're going to have a friend Kate doesn't know at the other side of the cafe. (Right or wrong, it's for Sophie's safety in case there's a big confrontation)

Kate has agreed that I can go see Emma on Saturday this week.. Wish me luck!

For now I'm still proceeding with court, ill see how it goes for now, I really want pr and my name on the birth certificate so that I have more rights. X
 
It's great she's going to see her! And nice idea for someone to be around just in case. And so good that you're seeing Emma Saturday! I wouldn't stop court proceedings but maybe put them on hold. If things keel going the way they are then you could have you name put on Emma's birth certificate without the need for court :) obviously it's entirely up to you but just something to think about.

Things are definitely looking up, I'm so glad! Good luck and have fun seeing your daughter! :) x
 
I really want pr and my name on the birth certificate so that I have more rights. X

I tell this to so many people... It really bugs me.

PR is NOT Parental Rights
PR is Parental RESPONSIBLITY

If you believe that by putting your name on the birth certificate you are gaining more 'rights' over your child, then that isn't the right attitude to have.

Nothing against you, but it really bugs me.
 
I really want pr and my name on the birth certificate so that I have more rights. X

I tell this to so many people... It really bugs me.

PR is NOT Parental Rights
PR is Parental RESPONSIBLITY

If you believe that by putting your name on the birth certificate you are gaining more 'rights' over your child, then that isn't the right attitude to have.

Nothing against you, but it really bugs me.

I may be wrong, but I've taken huge offence to this.

Yes I know PR means parental responsibility. I didn't state otherwise.

By more rights I mean I want to be assured that my ex can't move Emma out of the country, can't make hospital and school decisions without my input. It's extremely important that this responsibility, and these rights be mine and her mothers rather than one sided. I don't see anything wrong with that attitude at all.
 
entireley up to you if you want to take offence at that post. I apologise, that was not my intention.

What I was merely trying to point out is that just by putting your name on the BC you will gain a responsiblity to keep TRACK of your daughter, meaning that your ex can update you on your daughter, but you also need to contact her regarding her.

Also, what you are thinking of is a court order regarding taking her out of the country. Any mother can do it, as all she needs to do is show her BC (whether your name on it or not) and that gives her permission to take her abroad is she wants to (i'm not saying she is going to run away to america with her, i am just saying for holidays sake shall we say) If you have a concern about her taking her out of the country you need to apply for a court order.
 
I think she was just making sure, only because there are so many dads out there (my FOB is one of them) who think about their "rights" all the time, but not enough about the responsibility aspect. Thats not you though, which is good. :thumbup: Its true that the court may request you to do more though... it might be lengthy since you two were never officially married or together at the time of the birth registration. But I hope youll get on there eventually, whether its the court that puts you on, or Kate herself :)

Just curious - why do you think she'd flee the country with Emma? Do you truly think things are getting better, or do you still feel she might do something crazy?
 
I think she was just making sure, only because there are so many dads out there (my FOB is one of them) who think about their "rights" all the time, but not enough about the responsibility aspect. Thats not you though, which is good. :thumbup: Its true that the court may request you to do more though... it might be lengthy since you two were never officially married or together at the time of the birth registration. But I hope youll get on there eventually, whether its the court that puts you on, or Kate herself :)

Just curious - why do you think she'd flee the country with Emma? Do you truly think things are getting better, or do you still feel she might do something crazy?

I hope things are getting better, but until I have that security I don't feel I can trust her not to tip the scales 180 degrees again. I'd just feel better with some sense of security in the matter. Whether that be parental responsibility, a court order or to build up trust with her.

It's not that I think she 'would' I just know she 'could' as her sister lives in Spain and invited her to move there when she was pregnant. She's never given me any indication to think shed move, but it's just that I know she possibly could. I don't have worries about her taking her on holidays etc, that's her right as her mum and I wouldn't stop her doing that even if I could. But I'd like parental responsibility so that I can be included in Emma's major life decisions.

Hopefully things are getting better, it'd be nice to have PR in writing though for that assurance, so that I didn't have to worry all the time. I've now not seen Emma in two months, I'm itching for Saturday to come.
 
I can see what you're saying. The reason I gave the advice I did though was because as a single mom, I can tell you that all the duties involved (not just with the child care itself, but the chores associated with it) are overwhelming to manage all on your own and she resents that he hasn't had to do any of it. You'll see what I mean once you have your baby - they are constant work. Even when they're asleep, there will be stuff that to do. I was mainly thinking she could show him how to do stuff like prepare bottles or other stuff she does for Emma, which he has to learn anyway. That way he would see his daughter and get a feel for it all before just taking the baby away.

I think the main reason we all suggested he put off the legal action (for now) was because it may kill any civility and amiability thats possible between him and his ex. She would resent him forever for it, and the child would grow up the hostility. If things dont improve after some time, Id say he should consider it again but the ideal scenario would be to have them work out things between themselves and even be friends one day. If thats possible, I think he should give it a shot before taking her to court.

If youre not a single mom, then I dont think you really relate to why the ex has been so emotional and hostile. Being pregnant and alone" and not having an OH like 80% of the other moms out there is very isolating and an incredibly hard. My baby is nearly 9 months old now, and I still cringe when people ask me about her Dad or "my husband" and I feel awkward explaining that Im single and feel like shit afterwards every time. Having solicitors come after her now will be very upsetting for everyone involved and itll take forever for her to recover and forgive him. It sounds like shes coming around now, and I really think its really worth giving a fair chance before he starts getting lawyers and judges involved.

Oh, I am sure that it is hard to do things on your own and to have to take care of a child that should have had two parents to help ease the burden of the care taking. But from his description of her she doesn't seem to have moved on. And this happened to a friend of mine, he offered to come over and help with the housework, or give her a mothers day gift from the child. and she took it as they were semi back together and for 6 years. And he still had a girlfriend and had a baby with the new girlfriend. But she never gave up hope that they would be together because she mistook his helping out in her home for the child's sake, as being there for HER and wanting to be with her. Not the daughter. So after 6 years she finally realized he wasn't leaving the girlfriend for her and it all exploded. She took away all his abilities to see his daughter and was full of hate for him for "betraying" her again.

That is what I meant by wait till you know she knows it's not going to happen between the two of them because in the end, that can blow up in his face.


entireley up to you if you want to take offence at that post. I apologise, that was not my intention.

What I was merely trying to point out is that just by putting your name on the BC you will gain a responsiblity to keep TRACK of your daughter, meaning that your ex can update you on your daughter, but you also need to contact her regarding her.

Also, what you are thinking of is a court order regarding taking her out of the country. Any mother can do it, as all she needs to do is show her BC (whether your name on it or not) and that gives her permission to take her abroad is she wants to (i'm not saying she is going to run away to america with her, i am just saying for holidays sake shall we say) If you have a concern about her taking her out of the country you need to apply for a court order.

and having his name on the birth certificate not only shows the world that he acknowledges her birth and accepts her, but it also lets HER know he cares enough about her to do so. And having formal acknowledgement of the child being part his does give him parental rights over the child that he otherwise would not have.

actually in regards to taking her out of the country, she cannot even get your daughter a passport without the signature and consent of both parties. I am currently looking into getting the citizenship and passports for my son once he is born, and it states that both parents have to be in agreement or there is no passport issued. So she cannot just take her out of the country anytime. And if you take a child out of the country without the other parents knowledge you can file for kidnapping and the mother would instantly either have to return with your daughter or be charged as a kidnapper.

And those things can only be done if you are formally acknowledge as the child's father, as long as the father legally is "unknown" she is right, she can just take your daughter out of the country and you get no say in it. Which is also why I said you shouldn't stop going to court.

A fathers rights to a child are extremely limited as it is, so much power is in the mothers hands. So if you are willing and able to be a responsible father...then I say go for it and fight for your rights with your daughter. Just because it might create animosity NOW between you and the girls mother, doesn't mean it will always be that way. Yes, it can make her feel backed into a corner atm, but in the long run it isn't about the mother, it's about your daughter and you and being able to have structure and be in her life in a fatherly manor, not at the whim of the mother and on her benevolence.
 
I can see what you're saying. The reason I gave the advice I did though was because as a single mom, I can tell you that all the duties involved (not just with the child care itself, but the chores associated with it) are overwhelming to manage all on your own and she resents that he hasn't had to do any of it. You'll see what I mean once you have your baby - they are constant work. Even when they're asleep, there will be stuff that to do. I was mainly thinking she could show him how to do stuff like prepare bottles or other stuff she does for Emma, which he has to learn anyway. That way he would see his daughter and get a feel for it all before just taking the baby away.

I think the main reason we all suggested he put off the legal action (for now) was because it may kill any civility and amiability thats possible between him and his ex. She would resent him forever for it, and the child would grow up the hostility. If things dont improve after some time, Id say he should consider it again but the ideal scenario would be to have them work out things between themselves and even be friends one day. If thats possible, I think he should give it a shot before taking her to court.

If youre not a single mom, then I dont think you really relate to why the ex has been so emotional and hostile. Being pregnant and alone" and not having an OH like 80% of the other moms out there is very isolating and an incredibly hard. My baby is nearly 9 months old now, and I still cringe when people ask me about her Dad or "my husband" and I feel awkward explaining that Im single and feel like shit afterwards every time. Having solicitors come after her now will be very upsetting for everyone involved and itll take forever for her to recover and forgive him. It sounds like shes coming around now, and I really think its really worth giving a fair chance before he starts getting lawyers and judges involved.

Oh, I am sure that it is hard to do things on your own and to have to take care of a child that should have had two parents to help ease the burden of the care taking. But from his description of her she doesn't seem to have moved on. And this happened to a friend of mine, he offered to come over and help with the housework, or give her a mothers day gift from the child. and she took it as they were semi back together and for 6 years. And he still had a girlfriend and had a baby with the new girlfriend. But she never gave up hope that they would be together because she mistook his helping out in her home for the child's sake, as being there for HER and wanting to be with her. Not the daughter. So after 6 years she finally realized he wasn't leaving the girlfriend for her and it all exploded. She took away all his abilities to see his daughter and was full of hate for him for "betraying" her again.

That is what I meant by wait till you know she knows it's not going to happen between the two of them because in the end, that can blow up in his face.


entireley up to you if you want to take offence at that post. I apologise, that was not my intention.

What I was merely trying to point out is that just by putting your name on the BC you will gain a responsiblity to keep TRACK of your daughter, meaning that your ex can update you on your daughter, but you also need to contact her regarding her.

Also, what you are thinking of is a court order regarding taking her out of the country. Any mother can do it, as all she needs to do is show her BC (whether your name on it or not) and that gives her permission to take her abroad is she wants to (i'm not saying she is going to run away to america with her, i am just saying for holidays sake shall we say) If you have a concern about her taking her out of the country you need to apply for a court order.

and having his name on the birth certificate not only shows the world that he acknowledges her birth and accepts her, but it also lets HER know he cares enough about her to do so. And having formal acknowledgement of the child being part his does give him parental rights over the child that he otherwise would not have.

actually in regards to taking her out of the country, she cannot even get your daughter a passport without the signature and consent of both parties. I am currently looking into getting the citizenship and passports for my son once he is born, and it states that both parents have to be in agreement or there is no passport issued. So she cannot just take her out of the country anytime. And if you take a child out of the country without the other parents knowledge you can file for kidnapping and the mother would instantly either have to return with your daughter or be charged as a kidnapper.

And those things can only be done if you are formally acknowledge as the child's father, as long as the father legally is "unknown" she is right, she can just take your daughter out of the country and you get no say in it. Which is also why I said you shouldn't stop going to court.

A fathers rights to a child are extremely limited as it is, so much power is in the mothers hands. So if you are willing and able to be a responsible father...then I say go for it and fight for your rights with your daughter. Just because it might create animosity NOW between you and the girls mother, doesn't mean it will always be that way. Yes, it can make her feel backed into a corner atm, but in the long run it isn't about the mother, it's about your daughter and you and being able to have structure and be in her life in a fatherly manor, not at the whim of the mother and on her benevolence.

Thank you, I appreciate the advice. It breaks my heart that I know if I had stayed with her mum, I'd be seeing Emma every single day and doing the full time parent things... I've sacrificed so much by leaving her, I feel so guilty and as if I've let Emma down.
 
Thank you, I appreciate the advice. It breaks my heart that I know if I had stayed with her mum, I'd be seeing Emma every single day and doing the full time parent things... I've sacrificed so much by leaving her, I feel so guilty and as if I've let Emma down.

for me, with my parents, they always stayed together for my sake, and my sisters sake. But honestly I wish they had divorced. Having animosity between parents, even though they try to hide it...the child always knows. And feels it. It is never best to stay with someone just because of your child. It is hard now, and heart breaking that she won't let you see her when so many women would KILL to have the father come see their child and acknowledge them.

But in the end I'm sure it will be better for her to have two loving parents in loving environments, rather then a hostile upbringing. (and hostile doesn't always have to mean physical abuse or abuse, just feeling that in the air of the two parents just not wanting to be near each other is hard on a child)

Already I know this little girl will have a wonderful life, because she has two parents who want her SO badly they will fight for her tooth and nail. Some children don't even have one to care about them, and she's got two.

The hard part is now, sorting everything out, and getting everything under control and into a rhythm. But once everything is settled and everyone has moved on in life, you'll realize this was the best thing you could have done for her.

And always fight for her, never just give in. Because children know, and as they grow up they will feel less loved and that you moved on to a "new family" that they don't fit in. You'll have to work extra hard to make sure she knows she is just as important as your future children with your new fiance are. That is always the hardest part, especially once they hit teen phase where everything is about them and against them.
 
You had to do what was best for you. A child is happiest with two happy parents. This is why I left my FOB when I was pregnant (and I still feel guilty for not working things out with him too.)

We've been looking into court stuff as well, and it looks like there are no automatic rights for unmarried fathers. Luckily for him, I put his name on the BC. Since your ex didn't, I think it'll involve a series of steps, and she's right - it may take years, especially if she doesnt cooperate.

Thats why I thought it was best to be gradual and try to seek her cooperation in this. If she listens to you and agrees, court will be a breeze and you'll have the PR in no time! If she resists it fights it, you will still get the PR but it will take much longer...
 

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