Elimination Communication Support Thread

Sam Pearson

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This is a thread where we can support each other with our ECing, share successes or misses, ask for ideas/tips/advice, share resources etc.

I'll start off by posting an article I wrote many years ago for my local food coop when I got so much interest it was taking time away from my work there to speak with customers about it.
 
RAISING BABY NAPPY-FREE by Sam Pearson

With the debate still current as to whether disposable, eco-disposable or cloth nappies are best there is another alternative that many people are unaware of. It’s the cleanest, greenest and probably the oldest way of dealing with babies’ elimination. Elimination Communication. (EC), also referred to as Infant Potty Training or Natural Infant Hygiene, is rarely practiced in Western society but it is the most common way of managing infant hygiene in the world today. While ECing makes good sense where water is scarce or disposable nappies are unavailable there are many other advantages that babies and parents can also enjoy.

What is Elimination Communication?

Parents carry their babies before they can walk. Mothers help their baby to the breast before they can lift our shirts and self serve. We help babies get to sleep when they are tired until they are old enough to do this unassisted. With Elimination Communication we are simply helping the baby to eliminate, just as we do, in a receptacle and not into their clothing until such time as they are capable of using a toilet independently. When a baby is never trained to use a nappy or taught to ignore their body’s signals that tell them they need to eliminate, they never have to learn to use a potty or re-recognise their body’s urges at a later date.

We are commonly told by doctors, child health experts and other parents that children develop bladder and bowel control between the ages of 18 months and 3 years. We also assume that babies are unaware of the sensation of having the need to eliminate before this age. Human knowledge of anatomy and physiology reveals both of these beliefs to be misconceptions. Not a new practice; the use of EC has been the norm in many non western cultures for centuries and is still widely practiced today.

We know that babies have bladder and sphincter control from birth. All mammals, including the human newborn, instinctively avoid soiling their nest and will follow the lead of their parents as to what is expected of them to achieve this. All babies are born capable of feeling the need to eliminate and if consistently given the opportunity can easily learn to communicate to us when they need to eliminate as well as understand when and where we would like them to eliminate.

In contrast to toilet training, Elimination Communication is primarily about parent training. A close bond between baby and primary carer is essential as the adult must learn to recognise when baby has to “go” through timing (regular elimination patterns), baby’s cues (body language) and intuition. For this reason it is consistent with Attachment Parenting when the parent and child are in-tune with each other which can be achieved by being rarely separated, bed sharing, baby wearing and parenting responsively.

Different parents approach EC differently but a common factor is the adult teaching the child a cueing sound. When the baby is newborn, the parent makes appropriate sounds as baby eliminates and baby soon learns to associate this with elimination. Once this cueing sound has been learned by the child the parent can hold their baby over a suitable receptacle and ask the child to eliminate by making the sound.

In time babies learn how to clearly communicate to their parent their need to eliminate by either their body language, baby talk or in some cases by using a hand signal that they have been taught or invented on their own. Most ECed babies clearly signal either a full bladder or bowel from around 3-4 months onwards and are able to wait long enough for their carer to get them to an appropriate spot to eliminate.

Parents practicing Elimination Communication might occasionally use a nappy as back up e.g. for long car trips or when baby is ill with diarrhoea. Some parents choose to EC part-time, perhaps during the day using a nappy only at night or perhaps only when at home. The human body in any healthy person excretes an anti-diuretic hormone during sleep which lessens the need to eliminate during sleep.

Contrary to popular belief, with the exception of people with medical conditions, humans don’t eliminate in their sleep but are at least semi conscious. The mother who co-sleeps with her child and who is in tune with her baby can awaken to their stirring as they come out of deeper sleep and can respond to their baby’s elimination signals.

What are the advantages of Elimination Communication?

Avoiding nappy changes.

The most obvious benefit is avoiding the time and effort of frequently changing wet nappies and the sometimes unpleasant task of dealing with soiled nappies. It is much easier and generally quicker to take a child of any age to the toilet than it is to change their nappy. Avoiding using nappies means no need to pack a nappy bag and lug it about whenever out of the home.

Elimination Communication is the cleanest choice for the environment.

Disposable nappies and the plastic bags they are often wrapped in once dirty are a major contributor to landfill. For those environmentally conscious parents who choose cloth over disposable nappies, ECing saves the environmental cost of nappy production plus the extra water and laundry detergent involved with 6-12 reusable nappies per child daily, nappy covers and soiled clothes from nappy “blowouts”.

It’s cheaper.

With Elimination Communication we avoid the financial cost involved in both the initial purchase of the nappies plus all the other nappy changing essentials such as change mat, baby wipes, creams and nappy liners. For users of cloth nappies as well as the initial outlay there is the associated costs of water, laundry powder and running the washing machine which can add up over the years. Clothes fit for longer without the bulk of a nappy.

EC is the healthiest choice for babies.

There is no doubt that EC is kindest to babies’ delicate skin. A baby in nappies will have them next to their skin almost continually for many years which can lead to irritations. With disposables there is the issue of chemicals used in the production and in the absorbent gel which can enter a baby’s bloodstream and in the case of girls get into their vagina. With cloth there is the constant issue of keeping baby dry so they are more comfortable and sleep better. With both cloth and disposable nappies there is the age old problem of nappy-rash which can be painful and difficult to clear up. An ECed baby will never have nappy rash and ECing parents will never have to purchase nappy rash salves or preventative barrier creams. Elimination Communication reduces the risk of UTIs and constipation plus enables parents to take closer note of baby’s elimination patterns to develop a better sense of a child’s digestive system and potentially react to allergens more quickly.

Elimination Communication supports positive child development.

EC is considered to be the approach to toileting that optimizes healthy sexual development. A baby constantly wearing a nappy baby becomes to an extent desensitised to that area of the body and can’t get in touch with their bodies uninhibited by a nappy. Elimination Communication respects babies’ abilities to communicate their needs from birth which builds baby’s self. Older siblings can be involved reducing rivalry and also helping them to develop healthy attitudes about bodily functions.

Elimination Communication leads to enhanced bonding.

Perhaps most importantly is the development of a trusting relationship between the parent and the child which is enhanced through communication about a basic human need. Baby feels more secure: “Mummy and Daddy listen to what I am saying and respond to my needs.” Parents learn to trust their instincts through accurately reading their baby’s body language building their confidence in their parenting abilities. They have an additional parenting tool under their belt because they understand that a baby may be crying due to the need to eliminate and can therefore respond in the appropriate way.

What happens when a nappy free baby is old enough to use the toilet?

Toilet independence for nappy free babies means a gradual transition from needing help to confidently using the toilet on their own. One big advantage for families is that many ECed children are dry at night at around 12 months and have achieved complete toilet independence at 14 months. However, while early independence is common with ECed babies due to their increased awareness of their bodily functions that is never the aim and indeed some ECed babies are independent at an age that might be considered late.

Sources:
“Infant Potty Training” by Laurie Boucke
“Diaper Free!” The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene” by Ingrid Bauer
Diaper Free www.natural-wisdom.com/
 
Apologies for the Aussie links. I hope some UK and international websites will be added by other forum members.

BOOKS
“Infant Potty Training” by Laurie Boucke
“Diaper Free!” The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene” by Ingrid Bauer
Diaper Free www.natural-wisdom.com/


WEBSITES


EC Simplified https://ecsimplified.com/
Tribal Baby Org www.tribalbaby.org/
Noonee Wilga Elimination Communication www.nooneewilga.com/EC/index.html

SUPPORT
OzNappyFree https://groups.yahoo.com/group/OzNappyfree/
 
Hi, I only heard about EC thanks to a thread on B&B and I was instantly interested. After doing alot of research (and convincing hubby!) we started EC a couple of weeks ago - our DD is 4 months old. We started holding DD over the toilet once or twice a day, and were shocked when she wee'd on more than one occasion :thumbup:

We found the time between her needing to go, and getting her to the toilet was too long so we bought a potty a few days ago. We now hold her over it after naps and at nappy changes and are amazed at the results already. She knows exactly what to do and 9 times out of 10 she wee's or poo's when being held on her potty, if she doesn't go she at least tries to. I am honestly shocked at how quickly she has picked it up, and how she is able to let go when she wants to. The three of us love EC already :)
 
Hi, I never did EC with my LO but I am currently pooty training him ad wondered if you girl had some tips on how to cope with EC when you are out and about? Say you are in baby club with your newborn but the toilets are out of the room, down the stairs and along the corridor (Like mine lol) What do you do?? Do you have a potty with you at all times and whip it out when needed? Ignoring the "looks!" of people!
 
Thanks Sam, subscribing too! X
 
Good article. It would be cool if we could get this as a sticky thread. We are ECing our son, and started at a couple weeks old. We're making great progress. By 2 months he could pee on cue. Let's get the word out!
 
I'm very part time with my ECing but its been great since D H is all about it also!
 
Just wanted to say a quick thanks, especially to Sam for all the great info! I discovered EC just a couple weeks ago on BnB and started 8 days ago. In those 8 days, I've learned so much about my baby (almost 3 months old) and what she's capable of! In those 8 days we've caught 9-12 pees each day and up to 5 poops. :happydance: In fact, I've had so many in the potty that I feel bad throwing away barely-used disposable diapers so I just ordered my first cloth diapers! Never would have dreamed I'd be doing that. Its been a very interesting few days to say the least, but now I can't imagine doing it any other way. I look forward to reading more on the topic on this thread!
 
Hi girls! Just wanted to add my support! I ec'd my daughter, and started when we bought her home from the hospital. We would just put her over the potty at nappy changes, and let her do her thing. Got some very strange reactions and comments, but it just made sense to me so I kept with it. I was quite relaxed about getting her nappy free, as I wanted the freedom to go out without being chained to a potty, so have kept her in nappies. At 7 months I completely stopped having even the occasional dirty nappies, and shortly after started work so haven't been able to focus on getting her nappy free, but am planning to go cold turkey next month( she has just had a little brother so wanted to give her some time to adjust now).

This time have started doing the same for my son. The first time I put him on the potty he pooped and peeped! It's a lot easier to read the cues, and adjust the second time around!

Although I don't consider myself a true ec'er as I didn't go nappy free the whole time, I think i made a good compromise between my lifestyle/work and ecing. I am so happy to have had the progress I did with my daughter, and absolutely no issues with toilet training, as she has always considered it a normal part of her day.
 
Say you are in baby club with your newborn but the toilets are out of the room, down the stairs and along the corridor (Like mine lol) What do you do?? Do you have a potty with you at all times and whip it out when needed? Ignoring the "looks!" of people!

Do you mean with an older child playing at the club, too? In that case, ideally I'd leave a trusted adult keeping an eye on my toddler and I'd take my newborn to the toilet but if that's not doable, yeah, just do it where you are or perhaps in the hall so you are very closeby to your child but not bothering people who don't understand EC...or do it deliberately in the main room and show folks how it's done. In that setting I'd most likely use a cloth nappy as back up.

I found a sling really helpful for in public. I noticed after a while that my babies never weed or pooed in the sling and they rarely asked to get outof their sling for any other reason so if they were obviously unhappy in there that was my most consistent cue they had to go and it saved me having to look for the more subtle cues in situations where I was distracted like buying the dinner ingredients or chatting with friends.
 
Although I don't consider myself a true ec'er as I didn't go nappy free the whole time, I think i made a good compromise between my lifestyle/work and ecing. .

I think you are 100% and ECer. It's certainly more about communicating than being nappy free and you sound like you're a natural.
 
Thanks Sam! Subscribing!

We started EC'ing more as early potty training but we're working hard to use communication. I started when LO was around 6 months. I read the book "diaper-free by three" and was inspired. I really didn't want LO in diapers any longer than necessary even though we use cloth.

We had a few hiccups while on vacation. LO pretty much refused to use the potty. I don't think she liked the travel adapter that I bought. I'm not sure what to try next, like when we're out of the house. I'd rather not lug around her little pink potty but I guess if we have to we will. I'd rather she be ok with using the big potty. DH is VERY anti-human waste so if we have to bring her potty with us he would be very upset by it. I can push it though if we have to.
 
Hi Cheese lover... We bought our lo a pottete plus seat to leave in the car/pram, which can be used as a toilet seat on a normal toilet, or self standing potty using a plastic bag that has an absorptive pad in it and just fold the legs down.

Sometimes though, she will just refuse to use a toilet outside of home/familiar place. I have been to restaurants a few times where she will ask to go 'toiley' and take her, but then she will just hold it until she gets home as she refuses to go... They can be funny creatures! Very handy to have the portable seat thingo, as it is "her" toilet that she is still familiar with, anywhere anytime :)
 
thanks mumnbean. I bought this:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BXHPEU/ref=oh_o05_s00_i00_details for travel but she won't use it.
this is what we have at home: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UZVGAI/ref=oh_o02_s00_i01_details. She seems to like it but has only gone poo in it once since we got home. I hope as we get back into the routine she'll go more in it at home. I'll have to look at that potty you talked about since apparently I'm back in the market for a travel potty.
 
I'm liking this one: https://www.amazon.com/Kalencom-2-i...s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1328541856&sr=1-1 but I'm concerned about it using a disposable pad. Is this similar to what you have? I'm thinking I could use a cloth diaper insert instead.
 
Hooray :) I'm glad to be getting back to it after a weekend away using disposables (couldn't take cloth to my I laws and not reliable enough to risk nappy free time on their cream carpets). 'Sposies are odd things!
 
I'm liking this one: https://www.amazon.com/Kalencom-2-i...s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1328541856&sr=1-1 but I'm concerned about it using a disposable pad. Is this similar to what you have? I'm thinking I could use a cloth diaper insert instead.

That's exactly it! I've only needed to buy 1 extra set of bags, as I usually find a toilet... But for the park/ boot of the car those bags are very handy :thumbup:
 
cool, thanks! I'll buy it tonight. Hopefully she likes it. We frequently take road trips so this will be very handy!

She's still not going in the potty but we'll keep trying. :thumbup:
 

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