Has anyone ever heard that if you have NO PMS, that means you did not ovulate?

[whimesy3]

Hello,

I am just doing some research online and on the baby forums about possible reasons that I may not be getting pregnant. I am 28 and have been ttc for around 16 months although 5 or 6 of those months I did not try.

I am going to be going to see an RE soon, but I like to be well informed on things that affect me so personally.

Once a long time ago I read that women that do not ovulate have no pms, as pms is related to ovulation. Here is the article : https://www.midlife-passages.com/page121.html

Here is the paragraph that said this " Although the causes of PMS are not totally clear, medical research points to the changes that occur in hormone levels before menstruation begins. We do know that PMS only occurs during that part of life between puberty and menopause -- the time when the ovaries are working to make both estrogen and progesterone. Women who do not ovulate do not have PMS, and often pregnancy is a welcome relief to the PMS sufferer. Research also shows that PMS tends to be more troublesome at the beginning and ending phases of the reproductive life cycle (puberty and menopause) and in the month immediately following pregnancy and childbirth as the menstrual cycle begins again."

I am thinking that there may be some truth to this. The only symptoms of pms that I have is swollen and sore breasts, and then I may be a little sensitive, like ill cry easily when watching something emotional on TV.

There are times where I will notice that my breasts are not swollen or sore at all. Not many, but I do notice when this happens. So I think that this may be because on those months, I did not ovulate even though I had a period. I have never missed a period before.

So what do you guys think? Have you heard anything in regards to PMS being related to ovulation before?

Regards

 

[bdawn8403]

Never heard of this but I don't believe that. I have never had PMS and I got pregnant in June. This is the first cycle since I started having AF, at age 12, that I've actually had PMS.

 

[whimesy3]

bdawn, thank you for replying. I know that some women do not have pms at all. I guess what I was trying to say is that since most women DO have pms (80% from what I am reading), when they do not have pms maybe it means they are not ovulating on those cycles they dont have it. Because pms is caused by the estrogen and progesterone produced by the ovaries, am I correct? Progesterone causes swollen breast etc post ovulation. So if you did not ovulate, your body maybe will not produce more progesterone and thus no swollen breasts and such... I am not saying anything for certain, just curious to learn..

 

[paperz]

Hmmm... interesting thought. I would think that what you're thinking makes sense. Maybe you are not ovulating every month? I don't really have any experience with the issue, just wanted to pop in and offer my two cents Just for a note, I've never experienced PMS either, and I got pregnant without any issues. I actually was thinking that probably I would never get pregnant as I never experienced any of the signs that people say you have while ovulating (no CM whatsoever, let alone egg white CM, no swollen or sore breasts, no crampies, nothing). The only thing I ever got was an achey back once my period had actually arrived. Hopefully you can find out something if you visit a specialist!

 

[whimesy3]

paperz I am glad you never have pms lol. I think what you say just goes to prove that everyone is different. But they do say that 80% of women do have pms, and I am just thinking that since there are some cycles where I do not have those symptoms and most of the time I do, maybe the lack of the symptoms indicates when I dont. I dont know....

 

[paperz]

Have you spoken to your doctor about it at all yet? Or have you tried using an ovulation predictor? I never used them myself but maybe it would give you a better idea of if/when you are ovulating?

 

[ms.hope]

interesting---I never hahd PMS I may get a little moody but thats as far as it will go.

 

[whimesy3]

paperz, I do not have the ability to do temping, but may use OPK although I personally would rather go to the RE. I have not spoken to my doctor about the no PMS = no ovulation thing, but I will bring it up the RE when I meet them.

ms.hope well I think if you get a little moody, then that is considered pms. But yeah like I said, not all women get pms but most do.

I will keep looking into it and post anything that I may find useful. If anyone else has anything to add, I would love to hear it.

 

[ellie27]

I have never ever had any period/menstrual symptoms - no sore boobs, cramps.......

This is my 3rd pregnancy and I have had very easy symptom free pregnancies too - no sickness/no cravings and not had any awful first trimesters that most folk do have.

I dont believe its true at all.

I do know I ovulate as I was using opks and temps for the cycles I was ttc.

Should add that I also never got positive opks, lines got clear and easy to see but never as dark as they are supposed to get, but my temps confirmed ovulation and the dates confirmed were right!!

 

[whimesy3]

Well thank you Ellie, but as I said- I think they mean for women that DO get pms symptoms, the months that you DON'T get them means you didn't ovulate that month. I can't be sure as I am not a doctor or whatever, but as pms is related to ovulation that could make sense to me.

 

[nevernormal]

This makes sense in a way, but I used to get PMS symptoms every month (moody, skin break-outs), but didn't have regular cycles.

I asked my doctor about that and she said that even if you aren't ovulating your hormone levels can still fluctuate some and cause that.

My mom and sister were always regular, so my body may have just been responding to theirs? I never noticed it as much when I left home, but I was also on and off bcp so I don't really know.

 

[whimesy3]

nevernormal, isnt it true that womens hormones will feed off each other? For example, I worked in a place with all females, and after awhile, we all started getting our periods around the same time. That would make sense as you said you didnt notice it when you left home.

 

[Jazavac]

I was too lazy to read the whole thread, but here's my take on the original question.

If that theory was true, you'd have to somehow measure PMS. So, how do you measure PMS?

You don't.

What is a problem or an issue for one person, another won't even know about, or experience ever in their life.

So it can't be linked.

 

[liola]

very interesting, thank you. i'm sitting with my husband and its very funny to see the look on his face lol. hes learning new things everyday.

 

[whimesy3]

I was too lazy to read the whole thread, but here's my take on the original question.

If that theory was true, you'd have to somehow measure PMS. So, how do you measure PMS?

You don't.

What is a problem or an issue for one person, another won't even know about, or experience ever in their life.

So it can't be linked.

I really dont know what youre trying to say lol. I mean I dont know what you mean by "measure PMS". But what I do know is that for me personally, my PMS symptoms are always the same. Sore breasts, swollen breasts, and a little sensitive. I dont break out or have any other PMS symptoms I hear other women mentioning. So if a woman has regular PMS symptoms like myself, it would make sense to me that in those months that they are absent perhaps I didnt ovulate. PMS is linked with ovulation, so there is no arguing that. So that is why it makes sense to me But who knows..... a females body is very mysterious, even to doctors.

 

[whimesy3]

very interesting, thank you. i'm sitting with my husband and its very funny to see the look on his face lol. hes learning new things everyday.

LOL my guy didnt even know about ovulation and that a woman can only get pregnant one time a month etc etc. I was explaining all of this to him yesterday, its funny. Haha

 

[nevernormal]

nevernormal, isnt it true that womens hormones will feed off each other? For example, I worked in a place with all females, and after awhile, we all started getting our periods around the same time. That would make sense as you said you didnt notice it when you left home.

Yes, I would kind of think that, but DH has commented before on me being moody when AF wasn't anywhere near... so idk... I think I may not have noticed it because I will hide the moodiness around people that I am not close to, and when I left home I didn't get close to anyone for a long while. And usually my body doesn't sync up with anyone else's. Any roommates I've ever had and stuff get their cycles thrown off because of me, but mine stays as irregular as ever!