Incompetent Cervix - stitch/cerclage - threatened labour

Hello everyone. Happy Saturday !( so beautiful, sunny and totally freezing today outside. I'm home with a log fire, so am just enjoying the view!)

There are so many people on here now i want to talk to, but i can't keep track of everyone, especially as i can't go back to the previous page to reread your posts! So apologies if i miss anything or anyone out, as i am a dunce about some things and feeling particularly dense today..

Heychickie - huge congratulations on your extra helping of baby! At last, someone else reaches the finishing line and is a happy mummy. Well done you..

Liven - Its so normal to feel depressed, especially when you've spent so long in pregnancy exile. When i reached 28 weeks (which had always felt like a massive milestone) i kind of felt an anti climax, as i just though ' no, i want to be 30 weeks' - the goal posts had moved and 28 suddenly didn't seem enough. And i just felt exhausted by it all, knowing i still had a way to go. But you're so nearly there, and those feelings will go, and be replaced by excitement the closer you get to your due date. I promise.

LaRockera - how is home? Hope you're feeling chilled and nesting nicely. And so exited about your stitch removal. Let me know how it goes - i'm starting to get slightly obsessed about mine now too...

Christiana - you sound nice and positive at the moment. Keep it up!

Bookfish - i'd say the spotting is normal, especially as it seems to be only when you wipe. But if it gets any worse, then i'd go see your doctors. I was told it took around a week to ten days for bleeding to stop, but that it was only really a problem if i felt it was getting heavier, rather than lighter. So just go with your instinct. It's almost certainly normal, but i say if you're still worrying about it, then sometimes having a check up can just ease you mind, and who needs to worry needlessly when they're on bed rest?!

JimmyJam - oh my love. I so so hear where you're coming from. Life can seem so shitty sometimes - there is no rhyme or reason behind the things that happen to us, we just have to smile and try and deal with it the best we can. You're doing brilliantly - 23 weeks this Wednesday. Yay! So close to viability, so just keep doing what you're doing. And i had a sneaky hair appointment when i hit 28 weeks, as the greys were just making me look like my grandma (and she's been dead for 20 years...). I'm planning a pedicure this week. I reckon a treat a week, as a reward, and home beauticians can be your own special God send.

Its so normal that you will feel massive highs and lows. I would swing from sobbing, heaving tears one morning, little Miss Perky Pants the next. My husband found my bed rest schizophrenia quite difficult, but managed to bite his tongue a lot and be just sympathetic. I just remember feeling so trapped and alone - on a rollercoaster that only i was on, and terrified of how it would end. I just knew that what ever happened, it was me and my body and mind that would have to physically cope with it, and that scared the crap out of me. I think you just have to go with it, and be honest with those around you, even if you might start to feel like a broken record. And tell your doctors on Wednesday that you're finding it mentally torturous - they are very sympathetic and know that it is so so normal to find it this hard.

But try and think of the positives - you're very nearly 24 weeks, hopefully you can get the steroid shots (so you can feel a bit more confident in your baby's development) and then you really feel like you're making real progress. You ARE pregnant, and already a mum to your little one. Your fluid levels hadn't increased last week, so that is GREAT. Plus with bed rest, it's very likely you'll see that your cervix will either have grown, or will have stayed stable when you're next scanned. Your stitch is working, and it's unusual for them NOT to work (and that is usually when they were placed as emergencies when you would already have dilated). You have the odds on your side, even though its scary to believe that. I found my coping mechanism seemed to be 'assume the worst'. That way i felt i could protect myself emotionally. In fact i still can't believe that I may actually have a baby after all this. It's self preservation.

Try not to worry about Matt. That will do you no good, as you have enough to worry about without extending it to how he is too. He will be fine. Encourage him to have a few nights out on his own (good he went out last night) as it will allow him to talk to his friends about it if he needs to.

But remember, this isn't forever. Life is long, and this time of stress is short in comparison, and in six weeks time you'll both feel a bit more relieved and back to normal. It's what marriage is all about - carrying the other person when they need it. And i'm sure you will do the same for him in the future.

Okay, my news.... Nothing exciting. Had my hospital day on Thursday. All fine. No more FFN tests as i'm now over 30 weeks. My stitch will come out in SIX WEEKS TIME!! I can't believe it. IN fact last night i had major pregnancy insomnia, lying in bed at 4am thinking about my last stitch removal, flash backs of childbirth...It's all starting to feel just a little bit more real. And yesterday me and Andy had a little trip out to Richmond Cinema. A nice matinee, two tubs of popcorn, plus a bit of fresh air. I felt almost normal (although i now officially waddle, so am a bit slow to move). I am just tired all the time again now, and hoping for a nice long nap tomorrow as it is Poppy's day at my mums.

Have a good weekend everyone. You'll all doing brilliantly. You may not feel it, but you are. Stay strong....

XX
 
Jj and Lizzie - we have 2 "substitute children) cats, from a rescue centre. Stella, an all black, clumsy cat, named after Stella Rimmington, but she's really more akin to having drunk 5 cans of Stella, and Maggie, a tiny black and white cat, who rules the roost, think Maggie Thatcher! They were my bed pals when on bed rest, I enjoyed indulging them as they appreciated me being stationary for more than 5 minutes.

Before Oliver they were spoilt, now they are very contented indeed as they have a choice of beds to sleep on!

JJ- bed rest, ivf and the uncertainty of child-bearing can be the most unimaginable strain and test of a person. Buckling a little under that strain isn't weakness, you draw strength from different sources and just keep going. Being able to express that anxiety really does help, it allows you to get it out of your system temporarily. You really are an inspiration to have come through so much, and it is downright shitty to have these further complications. It is truly unfair and it is hard to not let it affect you. Sending you lots of love and positive thoughts x
 
Kate - you've written a huge post but what about your updates? How are you, babe? I'm excited to be here and be watched by my doctor and everything, but I miss my UK home already... Greece is constantly on international news under no flattering lights, and then it's just strikes, strikes, strikes, and coffee shops full of smokers. :( I miss my home and my working space and my nice little town, but I'd do anything for my bubba, and I'm sure once she's here I'll be too busy to feel nostalgic.

x
 
Hey Kate, ow i m so jealous of your days out....i think i ll be in until june....but keeping it strong....there is one thing though i said to dh yesterday...he was saying we should go on a nice holiday trip in august so i looked at him in the eyes and said " august we re going on holidays, where I want, how I want it and with whomever I want!!, You get no saying AT ALL! I ll be locked in for 6 months by then, i want NO OBJECTIONS!!!" So at least i have that (obviously as well as the birth of my daughter!!) to look forward to!!! Six weeks will go by in no time..yayayyayayayay for you!!!!

Larockera- i felt the exact same way when i returned home after 8 years in the uk...the fact that if you go out lets say to the movies or for a coffee on your own people stare as if you are some mad lady pissed (and still pisses) me off! But it does get easier and you re right, once bubba is here you wont notice any of this! It's a good thing we re not far from summer/spring time because the smoking thing really bothers me too!

Bookfish- Hun, am going to go by what everyone else said...just for your own sake call your doc! But just as what was my experience i found that watery discharge is very normal (that's why i thought i was leaking!). As for the spotting...are you or were you taking any anti-blood clotting medication? I was on baby aspirin and before the procedure the doc had me stop it 2 weeks in advance. With that said, even if you are it doesnt mean anything, it might just explain why it's taking a little longer than expected (although i dont think a week is too long). Plus every time i called my doc to tell him i still had some spotting or discharge or whatever he'd say " if you re not getting heavy bleeding, many painful contractions or being soaking wet constantly, you re ok". Lots of hugs your way!xx

Afm- i ve no major updates just an off topic rant and question for all those with toddlers... my ds is almost 21 months old and he learned how to jump out of his crib last night. So today we put him on a regular bed...dear god...how do you do it???? He was crying and coming after us everytime we tried leaving the room (he usually sleeps as soon as we say goodnight). I am soooooo scared for tonight!!!
 
Christiana - I hear you on the cot escapee episodes. Poppy is nearly three and we still get the odd mid night visit from her. We ended up putting a stair gate on her door. We rarely closed it but told her we would if she didn't stay in bed.

I'm no expert but with Poppy we just repeatedly put her back in bed, saying very clearly we stay in bed until morning. Eventually we wouldn't even talk to her when putting her back. Just kept very quiet and boring. Eventually the stair gate would be closed ( after lots of warnings). Shed cry for a few mins but invariably by that point would be so tired she'd fall asleep. After three nights of locking the gate she stopped getting out of bed. Now she's fine and more than happy going to asleep on her own.

Like I said, we do still get a little night time visitor but it's now usually for a reason. Either she's not feeling well, or of I've had a overnight in hospital, she then feels unsettled and starts to get up in the night to check where I am, bless her.

Like most things, it's a phase that will pass. Just a bit disconcerting having your small person appearing from nowhere when you're used to them being confined to their cot!! Xx
 
Thanks Kate! I ve asked my hd to do the same thing (everytime he gets up just walk him back to his bed, no matter how many times that might be) but i m afraid the little man just does whatever he wants with daddy! When i was on my feet he d wake up in the middle of the night crying out fro milk or hugs or whatever and i d just go in say i m here for you but i m tired go to sleep and i d leave the room. He d fall asleep in no time. Ever since i m on bed rest he wakes up and cries and somehow persuades dh to tall him 1-2 bedtime stories! There's been endless fights about this but he just cant handle lo crying and begging (the little bugger has his ways... when it comes to daddy he uses sweet words and things like "daddyyyyyy i m afraid" that probably wouldnt work with me!!) Anyways, i gone on long enough with this off topic issue, thanks again kate, i hope you dont mind if I pm you with further Q's on this!
 
Hi all, little man is doing well - his name is Jackson Alexander, DH picked it out. We're getting the hang of breastfeeding, and plan to go home on Monday. I can't attach here directly at the moment (not until on a real computer at home, only brought the iPad) but if you look at my blog, I have a few pictures posted there of him.

www.findingjoyafter.com

Last night was rough, but today shows promise that it will be easier (more success with attempting to feed, I am cleared to get up on my own now, where DH had to do all diapers and hand him to me yesterday).
 
Heychickie- love the name, it all sounds great. Sooo happy for you.

Christiana - I totally understand the toddler bedtime issues, we seem to breed insomniac childreen. We had a stair gate on Oliver's bedroom, but didn't always close it, just said that we would. If we did close it, he'd get up and stand at the gate, singing "mummy and Daddy, Daddy and Mummy!" if he knew it was open, he'd sometimes get up, but only really if he was ill or had had a bad dream. Things got worse on bedrest, he literally wanted to lie on me in my bed, he hated it if I'd been kept in overnight at hospital and used to cuddle up to me to the point I'd be in a hot sweat! Some nights he just stayed next to me in my bed, he felt so lost and I missed him to as I wasn't taking care of him during the day, so I cut him some slack. Funnily enough, the first night home with Bella, he insisted on staying up with me whilst I fed her and changed her as he wanted to help. He was so exhausted he fell asleep across my lap, but I didn't want to push him away, I wanted him to see that it really wasn't that exciting. He didn't bother getting up in the night again! Good luck x:hugs:
 
We have another page up with more pics, too.

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Helen, thank you so much for your comforting words! It seems that Nicola's sleep has deteriorated ever since i went on bed rest too (but i blame it on my dh!!) He is allowed to come to bed with us after 6 am and when he does he usually sleeps ON my head (drooling all over me!). As expected last night was hell! he first rolled over and fell off the bed (poor thing didnt wake up though) but then woke up at 2am and put up a great fight until 4 am. I cant persuade my dh to put a stair gate or to not read him stories and staff so he ended up sleeping next to him (dh on the floor and lo on the bed). I am mortified for tonight! Anyway, thanks again, i will try to drill my way into a gate for his room and i guess i m happy we did this way before natalia is here! Ps: oooowwww how sweet of your little boy to stay up with you the first night...oowww bless!!!

Heychickie- Your boy is gorgeous!!Once again, well done!
 
Hi all :) Heychickie, bubs is gorgeous, well done mama!! Don't fret at how tough those early few weeks are hun, it does get easier. There is the section recovery, establishing bf and utter exhaustion to adjust to, but it does come together slowly over time. You'll find that once your milk comes in, sore nipple and screaming, hungry baby issues are resolved and everyone settles into life with a newborn. I found that with larger babies, hunger was much more of a problem whilst waiting for the milk supply to kick in - they are just so hungry and demanding.

The colostrum is supposed to be adequate, but I never found this to be the case, and after the first 24hrs my babies were demanding a feed every 20mins. It comes at the point where you begin to feel the real exhaustion creep in. Try holding out until the supply is in -( within 3/4 days after a section), then it really does get better. It is tempting before this to relent and give a bottle, but persevere if you can - within the week everything will settle down :hugs:

Christiana, sorryto hear you're having sleep issues with lo. My older kids thankfully remained in their cots until they were 3, so I never really had to tackle ordinary beds until they were older and much more easily reasoned with. The twins are almost 22mths, and as yet haven't attempted to climb out of their cots. I suspect one of them might within the next 6mths tho - he is much more precocious than any of the others have ever been.

The other ladies gave excellent advice, and it really is just a case of being firm, minimising night time attention and repeating the same 'bed time message' over and over. The younger the child, potentially the easier it is to instill good sleeping habits, and your lo sounds quite advanced for his age, so probably understands far more than you realise. Use this fact to get home the message that his bedroom is a place for sleep, and bed time is not play time.

Keep it simple, and try not to confuse him with mixed messages (I realise of course hun, that you are trying to do this, but Dh is not working with you). Tell dh that toddlers actually want and need sleep, and look to their parents for how to settle themselves and sleep soundly all night - it might make him realise that he is actually helping his son by being firm, and that he is not the 'bad guy' for ignoring his cries. Maybe appealing to him in this way would help?

You lo is crying because he is tired and doesn't know how to re settle himself - he looks to you for help. Once he is going through the night, he will feel better and look forward to his bed time - sleep breeds sleep, so if you can crack it you'll all be having a better quality bed times :)

It is early days for you with the transition to a big bed hun, and lo is still young so give it a few nights of perseverance. Return him to bed with a firm, 'sleepy time' message, close the gate and the door - leaving it ajar a tiny bit so you can still hear him. Good luck, and let us know how it goes xxx
 
Lizzie thank you so much! It s comforting to know i dont sound like a crazy bitch (excuse language) for not surrendering to his cries...my dh often says i m completely unsensitive when it come to lo crying but i m doing it for his own good...if he learns to sleep he ll be a happy toddler during the day and night if not he s exhausted all day and even more nervous at night. Anyway i ll sit down with dh tonight to try to discuss a plan cause last night all we did was fight about who was right or wrong. Hopefully we ll agree on something and stick to it!thank you again so much for the advice, knowledge comes with experience when it comes to these things!
 
Ladies thank you, all of you, for being amazing. It really, really does help. You are so generous & kind with yr support & advice.

Lovely, Lovely Kate, thank you so much for your comments. You have articulated so much of how I feel. I read how strong everyone on here has been/are being & I marvel. I've always thought I was a tough cookie but sometimes I doubt my ablity to show the same fortitude.

You 'have no news'?!!! Six weeks, Kate!!! Six weeks!!! And a trip to the cinema! It's a milestone. Well done you & here's to an easy ride from here on in.

Helen - Your comments re: yr cats made me chuckle. Pyjama had a spat this morning & decided to bite my head! When the world is against you & all that ... I've been looking back at the earlier posts on this thread & all the jokes about the cervix being a dirty word made me laugh. Next time I suffer from road rage I shall shake my fist & shout 'cervix' at the person who carves me up (for those of you who want a laugh I think it's about page 34) ... Thanks to you too for yr kind comments, I 'm feeling pretty crap to be honest & yr support goes a long way.

Those of you dealing with this with smalll children, I salute you. It's tough enough just being responsible for me ... I can't join in your chat but I admire you all nonetheless.

LaRock are you giving birth in Greece?

I have put a deckchair up in the kitchen! It is a good angle to tilt the pelvis but also stay upright. I am permanently worried my position isn't good enough for my crappy, failing cervix. But it is very light in here so I can sit & gaze out the french doors at the grey ... Also my MIL noticed I was struggling to find something to wear & made a trip to Sweaty Betty to buy me some cosy lounging pants. She took our joint card so I felt justified in asking for a couple of pairs! I think I deserve a treat.

I have a second pregnancy pillow coming too so I can keep one upstairs & one down rather than asking for it to be carried to & fro for me ... Woooo last of the big spenders!

22 weeks today (or 22 & 1/2 if you go by my LMP). Baby's really packing a punch now. The weeks ahead look looong & hard.

Love to all. Around the globe.

JimmyJam x
 
Hey jimmyjam!even though you say you feel crapy you dont sound like it and this is good,you re putting up a good fight to lift your spirits!!ow you re so lucky to have such a nice mil...my mil is nice but if i dared asked her to go buy anything for me to wear she d either a) try to mend my normal clothes and make a huge mess or b)buy something my great great great grandmother would wear!!!
Anyway nothing new here either just wanted to say hi to my fellow bed rester!!!!
 
Ah thanks Christiana! Yes I m sooo lucky, Rosie & I are really close & she's a lovely person. She's got a very young attitude & we're actually great friends. I can tell her most things. Makes up a bit for not having my own mum around.

How are you getting on hon, have the cramps subsided? I'm feeling the baby move more - though not all the time. It dances when I have a Berocca Vit C drink & sometimes quite shocks me with the force of it.

How're you getting on with bed rest Christiana? Although I've not been put on it officially I kind of got the impression they want me to do as little as possible, which is what I'm trying to do. But I find it really hard not to sit up sometimes & am desperate to walk around a bit. I woke up in tears in the middle of the night because I was in so much discomfort - my lower back really hurts, I have numb legs & tingling arms! During my IVF journey I had intramuscular progesterone shots in my butt which really hurt & which have affected my bum & thigh muscles so I can still feel the effect now. I also tested positive for something called MTHFR which means I'm more at risk of DVT & I'm just not quite sure how to strike the balance btw my own wellbeing & the baby's welfare :-( I can deal with the boredom, it's the physical thing I'm finding tough ..

Matt's been amazing, he's hurting I can tell. He & his family all went out for dinner locally last night & left me with pizza & a pal & he warned everyone that this is all really quite serious & might not necc have a positive outcome. That's a big deal b/c he & his family are very un-melodramatic (not like me, drama queen). He said he told them that if the outcome is unfavourable it wil be 'armageddon' after everything we've been through - and he cried last night too :-(

Ah well. Two weeks and viable babe. Lizzie's little girl was born at four weeks & she's a healthy wee thing.

You have a lovely evening.

Lol JJ x
 
Heychickie - hon, he's GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS!Well done, sweetie! :happydance::hugs:

Jimmy - Yes, I am giving birth in Greece, and staying here for a while. As for you, I think you're doing just brilliant. Well done. Viability in a week and a half, hon. I will go by before you know it. And after viability, the weeks fly by. Please believe you'll make it, the stitch is there to last, it is not the normal type of stitches you get when you hit your head, babes. It's thick and very, very strong, designed to hold all this weight. Even if you funnel to it, it will still hold. That's why the put it there for.:thumbup:

Christiana- are you on bedrest, hon? Hopefully we'll be able to meet at some point in Athens. :flower:

Lots and lots of love to everyone.:kiss:
 
Thanks LaRock. Have been reading histoical posts earlier in the thread & caught some of your history too. I want to know: have you started shopping for baby clothes yet?!!! I so wish I were in your shoes, you have come so far ...

Btw - plse can anyone explain to m if there's a difference btw funnelling & dilation, or if they're the same thing? Last week my cervical length had shortened to 18 with .6 above the stitch & my maternity notes read funnelling '7 x 10'. I don't know what this means & am now super-worried about an increased risk of infection.

Also - I'm not doing anything but I'm not horizontal ALL the time & I am petrified I'm not doing enough ...

I hate this. Hate, Hate, Hate ....
 
Larockera- yes, i am on bed rest since 12w4d! Would love to meet up sometime in athens but i m pretty sure by the time i m allowed on my feet again you will have your beautiful daughter! Ever so, if you ever fancy getting out for a bit after your lo is here (or hopefully before if i ever get the ok to go out!) i d love to meet up! Where about are you in athens?

JimmyJam- no more cramps for me i guess but i do get very odd sharp pains but i think this is my baby shoving her legs or bum or something in weird spots! Now to be honest about the bed rest...for the first 5-6 weeks of bed rest i was completely horizontal and only got up to go to the loo. It was painful to say the least, everything seem to hurt. The last 3 weeks i ve cut myself some slack and i just half lay half sit on the sofa, get up to get snacks and i ve even dared sit in the lo's room to sort of play with him (there is always someone else of course with me). I think it is kind of impossible to stay completely horizontal for a very long period of time but of course if i was told to do that i would. But my doc just said stay in bed or sofa, dont go out and dont pick lo up. So...i too am just taking it as easy as possible in the house! Good thing i dont go out with all this s...t happening in Athens! I think once we re past our v day we ll be a little more relaxed (btw LAROCKERA why on earth is v day at 27 weeks in greece and at 24 in the uk???NOT FAIR). Ok i ve written an essay here..at least we can entertain each other on bed rest!x
 
Hey everyone :)

Christiana - stay strong treasure, you are absolutely doing the right thing for everyone in being strict with lo. You have a new baby coming and it's crucial that you get this sorted before then so that you at least get some opportunity for rest in and among the night feeds. As you say, it's important for lo to get his rest too - it makes such a difference to day time behaviour. Stick to the plan hun, and try not to waiver ;) it will be hard for no more than a few nights - then you'll have a life time of good sleep from your lo :hugs:

JJ - funnelling is dilation but only at the top part of your cervix - in crude terms it look like the letter Y. In labour under the influence of strong contractions the cervix begins to thin out and efface, then funnels from the top down until it is dilated top to bottom. It then dilates further until it is fully dilated at 10cms.

An incompetent cervix does not generally dilate past 3cms because it cannot open further Without contractions. It literally opens only because of baby weight and pressure. This is why you have a stitch to prevent that from happening. You have funnelled, and opened at the very top, but assuming that you previously had around 1cm of closed cervix above the stitch, and now have .6 left above, then you haven't funneled by much. Your cervix is very unlikely to dilate through the stitch, but is likely to funnel to it. This is normal for women like us JJ and to be expected. On the very rare occasion when a stitch fails and a cervix dilates throu it, it only does so with contractions ptl. At 22wks with a stable, stitched cervix, this is looking extremely unlikely for you hun :)

My prediction is that you will now funnel to the stitch - probably by the next tvu, and it will remain that way for several weeks. It is also possible that the funnelling stays the same or closes up again - both possible scenarios that I've seen happen more than once.

As regards infection, while ever you have a decent length of closed cervix and a stitch, the chance of infection is remote, especially now that you are a couple of weeks from the op. Infection usually tracks 'north' once the cervix has dilated and membranes are bulging, by which time labour has usually been triggered anyway. You have an intact mucus plug which is unaffected by the stitch or funneling and acts as a very efficient sterile barrier.

Hope that helps allay at least some of your fears for now hun. As for the rest of us seeming calm and strong despite our experiences, I can say with absolute certainty that we have ALL been where you are, and felt equal amounts of fear, anxiety and terror. I have met hundreds of women now who all say exactly the same things at exactly the same gestation, and the reason I can relate to them is because I too felt equally wretched and can sympathise wholeheartedly.

I would routinely sit and cry each evening from 21 to 27wks, absolutely convinced the boys wouldn't make 28wks. I used to envy women who had made the third trimester, it seemed like some distant dream that would never happen to me. I was a wreck. Despite all that I know and have experienced, I also know that if and when we are blessed with another pregnancy, I will be as terrified again. I carried the heaviest weight of any IC woman I have yet come across safely to 38wks, yet I will still have huge doubts about my ability to carry one baby again, if it ever comes to it.

The brief pregnancy I had last year showed me again how vulnerable I could be, when at only 8wks I was lying awake at night (literally), fretting about how I would ever make 30wks with a knackered cervix, a stitch and twins to look after. My new worry for that pregnancy was that I had only carried the twins less than a year previously and my body couldn't surely do it all again so soon. I imagined preterm labour, prom and scar rupture (if I did make full term that is). Of course what I never saw coming was miscarriage - how ironic.

You see JJ, you don't have the monopoly on worry darlin'. Please make sure to read back through this thread fully - we have ALL been there. The women who seem confident now are those who have made 30wks and beyond and have taken their huge sigh of relief (me included). We may seem strong and calm after the event, but trust me, none of us have forgotten what those early weeks were like. It is why we are so willing and able to help and support those like you who are going through it now :hugs:
 

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