James Bulger - I can't sleep at night

[Tasha]

I've edited all posts with the suggested new identity, including those who've quoted it, as there is a legal order to stop the sharing of their names, photos and so on. So we would hate for you to get in trouble (and there has been cases of people being arrested and gone to court over similar things to do with James' killers).

Also be mindful about sharing names because innocent men have been attacked for both having the same name or looking similar to photos shared.

 

[highhopes19]

Vile vile creatures should never of been released let alone given new identities ! Makes my blood boil!

I think it's a poor excuse to say a possible cause could be because they were abused!

I hope for the rest of their lives they live constantly looking over their shoulder in fear..... Perhaps then they may have even the smallest feeling of how that little boy felt!

 

[Emma&Freya]

Sounds awful this but I cant read/listen to what happened to him, it fills me up with fear. I hate the thought of him crying for his Mum

Breaks my heart.

A PP said someone harmed children and seemed OK now, I think thats Mary Rose or her friend

 

[lhancock90]

I can't read about it, its horrifying.
I can't believe they let them out, just for one of them to repeatedly commit child porn offences

I really do believe in rehabilitation, but i genuinely think those boys are evil.

 

[Bex84]

I can't read about it, its horrifying.
I can't believe they let them out, just for one of them to repeatedly commit child porn offences

I really do believe in rehabilitation, but i genuinely think those boys are evil.

I believe in rehibilitation to but like you i think they are evil. I think there are certain crimes that you should not be released as there must have been something very wrong for you to have commited that crime in first place

 

[lindseymw]

Sounds awful this but I cant read/listen to what happened to him, it fills me up with fear. I hate the thought of him crying for his Mum

Breaks my heart.

A PP said someone harmed children and seemed OK now, I think thats Mary Rose or her friend

Are you thinking of Mary Bell and her friend Norma Bell (no relation)? Mary was convicted of two murders, she did serve time. Norma was acquitted.

As far as I am aware, Mary went on to have a family of her own. I believe she has told her child (daughter I think) who she was and her daughter accepted it.

 

[jodiex]

It made me cry when I read the story.
They shouldn't have.been given new identities they should have been put in a room with james family and suffered like that poor poor little boy did!!!
I would torture the *******s.

They fucking sick! I hope they burn in hell.
This countries justice system is a joke.

 

[Emma&Freya]

Sounds awful this but I cant read/listen to what happened to him, it fills me up with fear. I hate the thought of him crying for his Mum

Breaks my heart.

A PP said someone harmed children and seemed OK now, I think thats Mary Rose or her friend

Are you thinking of Mary Bell and her friend Norma Bell (no relation)? Mary was convicted of two murders, she did serve time. Norma was acquitted.

As far as I am aware, Mary went on to have a family of her own. I believe she has told her child (daughter I think) who she was and her daughter accepted it.

thats the one

 

[Natsku]

This is a hard one for me. As a parent I would want to do many very painful things to those two killers but as a member of society I wonder what was the best way to deal with them. I think maybe that they should either have not been released (if they were truely evil i.e. sociopaths) or then dealt with entirely differently from the start - treated instead of punished.

This is pretty relevant - two boys who killed a little girl but instead of being treated as criminals they were helped, and forgiven. If thats better or not I'm unsure, one of them clearly has problems still, but they are his own problems not society's problems, and the other nothing is known about - https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2010/mar/20/norway-town-forgave-child-killers

 

[Bex84]

I studied human rights at uni and one of the biggest debates was if you choose to take away someone eles human rights do you then forfeit your own. For me it is dependent on reason behind crime, for example if someone murders dues to being abused by person and they snap obviosly it can be seen as more of a reaction to that persons abuse however in the case where a child chooses to murder another child in the most awful of ways or an adult does same for that matter its hard for me to personally think that person deserves a second chance when they have taken away not only the victims but the families right to that life. In order to rehibilitate there also needs to be punishment so that, that person can trully understand the impact of what they have done and how it has far reaching impacts. They knew what they did was wrong and for that a little boy never had the chance to grow up and have a family of his own etc. You only have to see levels of re offences and people become institutionalised to realise for many reabilitation is currently not happening for a group of criminals. Of course for some it does

 

[raisin]

I studied human rights at uni and one of the biggest debates was if you choose to take away someone eles human rights do you then forfeit your own. For me it is dependent on reason behind crime, for example if someone murders dues to being abused by person and they snap obviosly it can be seen as more of a reaction to that persons abuse however in the case where a child chooses to murder another child in the most awful of ways or an adult does same for that matter its hard for me to personally think that person deserves a second chance when they have taken away not only the victims but the families right to that life. In order to rehibilitate there also needs to be punishment so that, that person can trully understand the impact of what they have done and how it has far reaching impacts. They knew what they did was wrong and for that a little boy never had the chance to grow up and have a family of his own etc. You only have to see levels of re offences and people become institutionalised to realise for many reabilitation is currently not happening for a group of criminals. Of course for some it does

I completely agree. For me it feels like they never really received appropriate punishment for what they did. They went from abusive homes to what they could probably consider a safe and comfortable environment (in comparison). They were trialled as children but under the belief that at that age they couldn't really comprehend the difference between right and wrong in the same way as an adult who has had more years to mature and learn. But what did the outcome they received teach them about what they did? In my opinion nothing.

The parents should really have taken more responsibility than what they did too. One parent blamed the government and social services for lack of support, and the other blamed peer pressure from the other child. And nobody can argue that it has to do with coming from a poor or deprived area. Morals, manners, and behaving like a decent human being costs nothing.

I honestly think I'm traumatised badly by what happened. I can't get it out of my head. I keep crying and looking at my DS imagining him going through what poor JB went through. And the thought of bumping into one of the killers in the street, not knowing who they are, totally terrifies me. What they did to JB was pure evil. My only thought is that it's the devils work. And that petrifies me.

 

[Bex84]

I worry about my lo alot. I love her so much and i think as a parent it is impossible not to worry. I think although these cases are rare its so scary that people have it in them to do these things. I know survivors of abuse who have never choosen to carry on the abuse cycle so for me its no excuse for making the choice to do something so wrong. I remember at school a person in my year who raped an elderly person, he had a good back ground, no problems at home or socially and yet something was so wrong with him to commit this awful crime. It worried me that someone who seemed nice was able to do it. You have to wonder what is going on with their brains to be able to commit an awful crime to start with. If you ask a young child if its wrong to kill someone they will know the answer. There trully is evil in the world

 

[mrs.amillian]

This case shook everyone to the core hun, and many people had/are having the exact same reaction as you.

I don't use reins when I take LO out but she never ever leaves my eye line, I am paranoid about her being near me for just this reason.

James Bulger is never every far from my thoughts when we go out, I would love to just strap her in her buggy till she's 5 and not allow her to walk and learn and explore, but then who wins??

These 2 depraved, sick and twisted people have changed so many peoples lives. I know things about what happened to that child that I wish I had never read and heard about, he in no way deserved anything they did to him and what on earth were they thinking I will never ever know or understand.

This case I believe shocked the world at it's just pure evilness and one of the things that hit hardest was it was children, not adults, committing the crime and some how that makes it so much worse