Recent Circumcision Analysis - What do you guys think?

[Gizzyy]

I don't believe in circumcision but everyone to their own. I find these topics can become very heated and monotonous after awhile.

 

[BrandiCanucks]

And for the record, my son may be circ'd, but it doesn't make him any less perfect

I didn't say any child was less than perfect. Modifying a child's body before they're even aware of it doesn't send the right messages about body image and perfection.

You said this, correct?

The human body is 'perfect' as it is and I won't have my son thinking any differently.

So by saying that, you're suggesting that a boy with a circumcised penis is less than perfect or has a less than perfect body. Which leads me to ask again, who decides what perfect is? You? Media? Society? God?

Yes, God made boys with foreskin, but God also ordered that boys have their foreskins removed, if you want to get into a religious context.

Children that young don't care about body image. My 5 year old doesn't go into a bathroom or a locker room with the other boys in his class and start looking at penises to see if they look like his. If you teach children that they are perfect the way they are...tall, short, fat, skinny, black, white, circ'd, uncirc'd, etc, then THAT is right message about body image and perfection.

As they get older, then they will grow up happy and confident in their bodies and themselves and really, whose place is it to know whether you're circ'd or not?

I feel sorry for your children if you're going to teach them that because another boy doesn't have a foreskin that he's less than perfect, or he's wrong, or that they don't have the right body, or someone who should be pitied. Underneath your son's foreskin, his penis looks the same as my son's, what is really all that different about it?

In this day and age, it's no wonder bullying still exists...children aren't born with a notion of what a perfect body is. They're taught that by the people who raise them. Teaching a child that a circumcised penis isn't perfection and is the wrong body image to have is the exact same as teaching a child that homosexuality is wrong and they should not marry.

The funny thing about homosexual individuals and marrying is that the only people it affects are the two people involved...so who is to say they aren't allowed to marry and be happy and have all the same rights a heterosexuals? It may go against your beliefs, but unless you're being forced to be a part of that marriage, no one has a place to say except the ones involved.

And it's the same for this. My sons' being circumcised don't affect you in any way. Your children are not being forced by myself or my children to go against your beliefs of staying intact. So where is it your place to say my boys are less than perfect or have less than perfect bodies, or that it's wrong for them to be circumcised?

 

[Gizzyy]

Meh..Imo I say leave the foreskin alone. The baby spent 9 months inside the womb growing all these body parts including the foreskin only for someone to cut it off when they're born? As a preventative? It doesn't make sense to me as you can get cancer anywhere in your body but doesn't mean you start removing things just in case. Only in extreme medical cases It should be done.
Practice good hygiene, wear condoms during sex and be given the chance to embrace the body you were born with.

 

[BrandiCanucks]

Yes, I circ'd my son and will circ this baby as a preventative...but not against what studies have shown circumcision to reduce the risks of, to make him look like his dad, or "just because". There is a history in my family of late circumcision. Circumcision was not a "routine" in our family. Aside from my uncle who was 34 when he needed it done, both of my brothers suffered from phimosis. I won't ever forget the blood curdling screams because their foreskins had fused so tightly to their penises that it was made impossible to pee, to clean properly. They woke in their sleep with pee erections and the screams sounded like someone was killing them. They stopped using the bathroom and tried holding it because it hurt them so badly to pee, that they began having accidents. They were both 5 (they are two years apart). They remember both the pain from phimosis and the pain from circumcision and to this day, at 22 and 24, they'll tell you the pain from their circumcision recovery was bad, but not as bad as the pain from phimosis.

So yes, I debated. I researched, I argued, I asked my brothers and in the end, I decided that removing the foreskin as a newborn so my son did not have to suffer the way my brothers did, if they were to be victims of phimosis too, was in his best interest.

If that makes me a horrible or abusive mother, then so be it. I know that in the end, regardless of what other peoples' opinions, I made the best decision for my sons, and it will be the best decision and the right decision in THEIR best interests. And that is what mothers everywhere do. We make decisions in the best interests of our children, and they may be different from our own, but we all love our children just the same. So really, whose place is it to say a child is imperfect or a mother is wrong for making a choice different from ours?

 

[Natsku]

And for the record, my son may be circ'd, but it doesn't make him any less perfect

I didn't say any child was less than perfect. Modifying a child's body before they're even aware of it doesn't send the right messages about body image and perfection.

You said this, correct?

The human body is 'perfect' as it is and I won't have my son thinking any differently.

So by saying that, you're suggesting that a boy with a circumcised penis is less than perfect or has a less than perfect body. Which leads me to ask again, who decides what perfect is? You? Media? Society? God?

Yes, God made boys with foreskin, but God also ordered that boys have their foreskins removed, if you want to get into a religious context.

Children that young don't care about body image. My 5 year old doesn't go into a bathroom or a locker room with the other boys in his class and start looking at penises to see if they look like his. If you teach children that they are perfect the way they are...tall, short, fat, skinny, black, white, circ'd, uncirc'd, etc, then THAT is right message about body image and perfection.

As they get older, then they will grow up happy and confident in their bodies and themselves and really, whose place is it to know whether you're circ'd or not?

I feel sorry for your children if you're going to teach them that because another boy doesn't have a foreskin that he's less than perfect, or he's wrong, or that they don't have the right body, or someone who should be pitied. Underneath your son's foreskin, his penis looks the same as my son's, what is really all that different about it?

In this day and age, it's no wonder bullying still exists...children aren't born with a notion of what a perfect body is. They're taught that by the people who raise them. Teaching a child that a circumcised penis isn't perfection and is the wrong body image to have is the exact same as teaching a child that homosexuality is wrong and they should not marry.

The funny thing about homosexual individuals and marrying is that the only people it affects are the two people involved...so who is to say they aren't allowed to marry and be happy and have all the same rights a heterosexuals? It may go against your beliefs, but unless you're being forced to be a part of that marriage, no one has a place to say except the ones involved.

And it's the same for this. My sons' being circumcised don't affect you in any way. Your children are not being forced by myself or my children to go against your beliefs of staying intact. So where is it your place to say my boys are less than perfect or have less than perfect bodies, or that it's wrong for them to be circumcised?

Removing a child's foreskin without a medical reason (you mentioned a medical reason in your son's case) is teaching them that a normal penis isn't perfection as it is - now that is definitely giving them a bad idea about body image.
Modifying your child's body without their consent (and without medical need) is entirely different from homosexual relationships and marriage as they are based on consent whereas circumcision is not.

 

[Gizzyy]

And for the record, my son may be circ'd, but it doesn't make him any less perfect

I didn't say any child was less than perfect. Modifying a child's body before they're even aware of it doesn't send the right messages about body image and perfection.

You said this, correct?

The human body is 'perfect' as it is and I won't have my son thinking any differently.

So by saying that, you're suggesting that a boy with a circumcised penis is less than perfect or has a less than perfect body. Which leads me to ask again, who decides what perfect is? You? Media? Society? God?

Yes, God made boys with foreskin, but God also ordered that boys have their foreskins removed, if you want to get into a religious context.

Children that young don't care about body image. My 5 year old doesn't go into a bathroom or a locker room with the other boys in his class and start looking at penises to see if they look like his. If you teach children that they are perfect the way they are...tall, short, fat, skinny, black, white, circ'd, uncirc'd, etc, then THAT is right message about body image and perfection.

As they get older, then they will grow up happy and confident in their bodies and themselves and really, whose place is it to know whether you're circ'd or not?

I feel sorry for your children if you're going to teach them that because another boy doesn't have a foreskin that he's less than perfect, or he's wrong, or that they don't have the right body, or someone who should be pitied. Underneath your son's foreskin, his penis looks the same as my son's, what is really all that different about it?

In this day and age, it's no wonder bullying still exists...children aren't born with a notion of what a perfect body is. They're taught that by the people who raise them. Teaching a child that a circumcised penis isn't perfection and is the wrong body image to have is the exact same as teaching a child that homosexuality is wrong and they should not marry.

The funny thing about homosexual individuals and marrying is that the only people it affects are the two people involved...so who is to say they aren't allowed to marry and be happy and have all the same rights a heterosexuals? It may go against your beliefs, but unless you're being forced to be a part of that marriage, no one has a place to say except the ones involved.

And it's the same for this. My sons' being circumcised don't affect you in any way. Your children are not being forced by myself or my children to go against your beliefs of staying intact. So where is it your place to say my boys are less than perfect or have less than perfect bodies, or that it's wrong for them to be circumcised?

Removing a child's foreskin without a medical reason (you mentioned a medical reason in your son's case) is teaching them that a normal penis isn't perfection as it is - now that is definitely giving them a bad idea about body image.
Modifying your child's body without their consent (and without medical need) is entirely different from homosexual relationships and marriage as they are based on consent whereas circumcision is not.

I agree there. If there's no medical condition there's no reason to do it at the end of the day.

 

[TriChick]

And for the record, my son may be circ'd, but it doesn't make him any less perfect

I didn't say any child was less than perfect. Modifying a child's body before they're even aware of it doesn't send the right messages about body image and perfection.

You said this, correct?

The human body is 'perfect' as it is and I won't have my son thinking any differently.

So by saying that, you're suggesting that a boy with a circumcised penis is less than perfect or has a less than perfect body. Which leads me to ask again, who decides what perfect is? You? Media? Society? God?

Yes, God made boys with foreskin, but God also ordered that boys have their foreskins removed, if you want to get into a religious context.

Children that young don't care about body image. My 5 year old doesn't go into a bathroom or a locker room with the other boys in his class and start looking at penises to see if they look like his. If you teach children that they are perfect the way they are...tall, short, fat, skinny, black, white, circ'd, uncirc'd, etc, then THAT is right message about body image and perfection.

As they get older, then they will grow up happy and confident in their bodies and themselves and really, whose place is it to know whether you're circ'd or not?

I feel sorry for your children if you're going to teach them that because another boy doesn't have a foreskin that he's less than perfect, or he's wrong, or that they don't have the right body, or someone who should be pitied. Underneath your son's foreskin, his penis looks the same as my son's, what is really all that different about it?

In this day and age, it's no wonder bullying still exists...children aren't born with a notion of what a perfect body is. They're taught that by the people who raise them. Teaching a child that a circumcised penis isn't perfection and is the wrong body image to have is the exact same as teaching a child that homosexuality is wrong and they should not marry.

The funny thing about homosexual individuals and marrying is that the only people it affects are the two people involved...so who is to say they aren't allowed to marry and be happy and have all the same rights a heterosexuals? It may go against your beliefs, but unless you're being forced to be a part of that marriage, no one has a place to say except the ones involved.

And it's the same for this. My sons' being circumcised don't affect you in any way. Your children are not being forced by myself or my children to go against your beliefs of staying intact. So where is it your place to say my boys are less than perfect or have less than perfect bodies, or that it's wrong for them to be circumcised?

Removing a child's foreskin without a medical reason (you mentioned a medical reason in your son's case) is teaching them that a normal penis isn't perfection as it is - now that is definitely giving them a bad idea about body image.
Modifying your child's body without their consent (and without medical need) is entirely different from homosexual relationships and marriage as they are based on consent whereas circumcision is not.

Haha I've seen plenty of men on both sides of the fence who believe their penis is the epitome of perfection

 

[BrandiCanucks]

I disagree, Natsku. Who defines what a proper, perfect body image is? Society puts out there that skinny, flat stomach's and photoshopped beauty is perfection, and then we have girls with horrible self esteem battling eating disorders trying to match the magazine image. We're only now starting to realize the damage it causes and are desperately trying to undo that damage with bigger models, Dove self-esteem programs, and Internet memes. I believe in teaching a child that their body is healthy and perfect from the start and that they do not have to conform to society standards to be beautiful and perfect. Our kids wear clothes anyway...who is going to look down another boys' pants to see if they have a foreskin or not, and tell that child they are less than perfect because the foreskin is missing? All children are beautiful and perfect, no matter how many fingers and toes they have, or facial features, foreskins or no foreskins, and we are not the ones who get to decide to tell a child that because their parents made a decision for them which they felt was in their best interests, that they are less than perfect for it.

When it comes down to this discussion, I agree that if there isn't a medical or religious reason to do it, it shouldn't be done.

Ultimately, however, I don't agree with bashing parents or telling them they are wrong, abusive, mutilators, neglectful, or teaching their children wrong images because the choice they made for their child, which they truly believe is in their child's best interest, doesn't match with their opinions and choices. This is why I defend choices when it doesn't match anothers...if that makes sense.

It goes for every controversial topic. I breastfeed, but I defend formula feeding mothers, because formula feeding is what is right for them and their child is still healthy and happy. I don't vaccinate (NOT anti-vaccine), but I defend vaccinators and non-vaxxers alike because that is what is right for their family, and I know that the majority of non-vaxxers did not come to the decision not to vaccinate lightly, and it had nothing to do with Wakefield's debunked study. I prefer to stay home with my children, but defend working mothers.

Ultimately, no matter what decisions we make for our kids, as parents, we truly feel is in their best interests and no one should ever be made to feel guilty, or accused of being abusive or mutilators, or be made to feel like they need to defend their parenting decisions to other people because it doesn't match another person's opinion.

I'm not pro or anti anything...the only thing I am pro for is Pro- allowing parents to make decisions for their children based on what they feel is best for them and their family WITHOUT fear of being attacked, judged, or accused of being abusive. In the end, we all make different decisions and have different opinions, but we love our babies just the same.

 

[Natsku]

I don't agree with bashing either, its mean and it doesn't achieve anything but I do think we shouldn't ignore facts. Modifying your child's body without need is telling them that their body wasn't good enough before - that's bad body image.
I don't agree with religious reasons - its not the child's religion, its the parents' religion and therefore it shouldn't be considered a valid reason. I don't agree with choosing a child's religion for them.

 

[cookette]

I don't agree with bashing either, its mean and it doesn't achieve anything but I do think we shouldn't ignore facts. Modifying your child's body without need is telling them that their body wasn't good enough before - that's bad body image.
I don't agree with religious reasons - its not the child's religion, its the parents' religion and therefore it shouldn't be considered a valid reason. I don't agree with choosing a child's religion for them.

I cant quite choke this one down.

Do you not feed them meat then, because they may want to be vegetarian? Do you never cut their hair or ever give them any toy that could ever be gender specific, because someday they may want a sex change? Do you speak to them in every language in the world incase they want to speak french instead of english?

Your child is raised within a culture, whether you like it or not. The people they interact with, the TV programs they watch, the clothes they wear and the sounds they hear. Religion is also apart of culture- you dont have to agree with it, you dont have to teach it, but raising your child within your family beliefs is a large part of what parenting is. Because it is not what YOU choose to do, does not mean it is in ANY way wrong.

 

[Natsku]

I don't agree with bashing either, its mean and it doesn't achieve anything but I do think we shouldn't ignore facts. Modifying your child's body without need is telling them that their body wasn't good enough before - that's bad body image.
I don't agree with religious reasons - its not the child's religion, its the parents' religion and therefore it shouldn't be considered a valid reason. I don't agree with choosing a child's religion for them.

I cant quite choke this one down.

Do you not feed them meat then, because they may want to be vegetarian? Do you never cut their hair or ever give them any toy that could ever be gender specific, because someday they may want a sex change? Do you speak to them in every language in the world incase they want to speak french instead of english?

Your child is raised within a culture, whether you like it or not. The people they interact with, the TV programs they watch, the clothes they wear and the sounds they hear. Religion is also apart of culture- you dont have to agree with it, you dont have to teach it, but raising your child within your family beliefs is a large part of what parenting is. Because it is not what YOU choose to do, does not mean it is in ANY way wrong.

There's a difference between teaching your child about your religious culture and permanently changing their body for the sake of a religion they may not choose to follow.

 

[BrandiCanucks]

I can see what you mean about body image, and what you're getting at, but I still disagree with it. And it's fine to disagree.Could just be because I have a child who is medically fragile, and have seen many many children in our support groups have to undergo procedure that modify their bodies, but it didn't make them any less perfect. And my daughter, and those children don't think any less of themselves because they look "different". We've taught them otherwise. Guess it all depends on your experiences too that can shape a perspective.

According to WHO and the American Academy of Pediatrics, who released an updated recommendation, the recent facts and studies (within the last year) DO show that circumcision is beneficial, and that it does outweigh the risks of leaving them intact. HOWEVER, the benefits are not significant enough to recommend routine infant circumcision, which is why both only recommend leaving the decision up to the parents.

 

[cookette]

I don't agree with bashing either, its mean and it doesn't achieve anything but I do think we shouldn't ignore facts. Modifying your child's body without need is telling them that their body wasn't good enough before - that's bad body image.
I don't agree with religious reasons - its not the child's religion, its the parents' religion and therefore it shouldn't be considered a valid reason. I don't agree with choosing a child's religion for them.

I cant quite choke this one down.

Do you not feed them meat then, because they may want to be vegetarian? Do you never cut their hair or ever give them any toy that could ever be gender specific, because someday they may want a sex change? Do you speak to them in every language in the world incase they want to speak french instead of english?

Your child is raised within a culture, whether you like it or not. The people they interact with, the TV programs they watch, the clothes they wear and the sounds they hear. Religion is also apart of culture- you dont have to agree with it, you dont have to teach it, but raising your child within your family beliefs is a large part of what parenting is. Because it is not what YOU choose to do, does not mean it is in ANY way wrong.

There's a difference between teaching your child about your religious culture and permanently changing their body for the sake of a religion they may not choose to follow.

We just arent going to agree. To each their own.

 

[Gizzyy]

I don't agree with bashing either, its mean and it doesn't achieve anything but I do think we shouldn't ignore facts. Modifying your child's body without need is telling them that their body wasn't good enough before - that's bad body image.
I don't agree with religious reasons - its not the child's religion, its the parents' religion and therefore it shouldn't be considered a valid reason. I don't agree with choosing a child's religion for them.

I cant quite choke this one down.

Do you not feed them meat then, because they may want to be vegetarian? Do you never cut their hair or ever give them any toy that could ever be gender specific, because someday they may want a sex change? Do you speak to them in every language in the world incase they want to speak french instead of english?

Your child is raised within a culture, whether you like it or not. The people they interact with, the TV programs they watch, the clothes they wear and the sounds they hear. Religion is also apart of culture- you dont have to agree with it, you dont have to teach it, but raising your child within your family beliefs is a large part of what parenting is. Because it is not what YOU choose to do, does not mean it is in ANY way wrong.

To be fair that's a good point but cutting off the end of the penis is a little extreme compared to what tv programmes they watch, whether they eat meat or what religion you teach them. These are things they can change and decide for themselves at a later date but they can't exactly sew the foreskin back on, the same way as you can't get rid of piercings holes once they're pierced. I just don't believe in doing permanent things to people's bodies unless they wish to do so.
However each to their own and no matter what people say or don't say it's up to the parents and how they see fit.

 

[Natsku]

We can disagree, would be boring if we all agreed!

 

[Noodlebear]

And for the record, my son may be circ'd, but it doesn't make him any less perfect

I didn't say any child was less than perfect. Modifying a child's body before they're even aware of it doesn't send the right messages about body image and perfection.

You said this, correct?

The human body is 'perfect' as it is and I won't have my son thinking any differently.

So by saying that, you're suggesting that a boy with a circumcised penis is less than perfect or has a less than perfect body. Which leads me to ask again, who decides what perfect is? You? Media? Society? God?

Yes, God made boys with foreskin, but God also ordered that boys have their foreskins removed, if you want to get into a religious context.

Children that young don't care about body image. My 5 year old doesn't go into a bathroom or a locker room with the other boys in his class and start looking at penises to see if they look like his. If you teach children that they are perfect the way they are...tall, short, fat, skinny, black, white, circ'd, uncirc'd, etc, then THAT is right message about body image and perfection.

As they get older, then they will grow up happy and confident in their bodies and themselves and really, whose place is it to know whether you're circ'd or not?

I feel sorry for your children if you're going to teach them that because another boy doesn't have a foreskin that he's less than perfect, or he's wrong, or that they don't have the right body, or someone who should be pitied. Underneath your son's foreskin, his penis looks the same as my son's, what is really all that different about it?

In this day and age, it's no wonder bullying still exists...children aren't born with a notion of what a perfect body is. They're taught that by the people who raise them. Teaching a child that a circumcised penis isn't perfection and is the wrong body image to have is the exact same as teaching a child that homosexuality is wrong and they should not marry.

The funny thing about homosexual individuals and marrying is that the only people it affects are the two people involved...so who is to say they aren't allowed to marry and be happy and have all the same rights a heterosexuals? It may go against your beliefs, but unless you're being forced to be a part of that marriage, no one has a place to say except the ones involved.

And it's the same for this. My sons' being circumcised don't affect you in any way. Your children are not being forced by myself or my children to go against your beliefs of staying intact. So where is it your place to say my boys are less than perfect or have less than perfect bodies, or that it's wrong for them to be circumcised?

Firstly, I just want to ask if you read your responses before you post them? I think it's sad that you are trying to twist me saying that my child was born perfect (something that until talking to you I thought was a normal feeling, not something that would be twisted to make me out to be horrid) into me saying that your child isn't. You are insanely rude, I've not seen anyone else on this thread speak the way you do. But if you insist on going down that route I put this to you - you feel sorry for my children because I teach them that their bodies are beautiful and are to be celebrated when you unnecessarily and permanently modified yours. I don't feel that way about mothers who circumcise their children but your 'perfection' argument is stupid, nasty and makes no sense. Especially from your 'side of the fence' so to speak. I appreciate another poster did it for religious reasons, I am not religious so it has no affect on my feelings, but her argument made sense.... Yours is bizarre. Who decides what perfect is? We do, our genetics. The way our beautiful babies are born is perfect, the only people sending any sort of message that says otherwise are those who insist on altering that. I'm open to a debate but your arguments contradict your decision and I find it highly inappropriate for you to twist my words when I've already explicitly told you otherwise.

 

[BrandiCanucks]

I'm sorry that you've found me to be rude in my responses, because they have been anything but. I've been trying to understand your perspective and reasonings, and asked you to clarify, to which you haven't. Perhaps just the wording. What I get from your responses is that a body isn't perfect unless it is left in the same condition in which it was born, and that is what you intend to teach your son and you won't have him believe differently from what you tell him. I disagree with this perspective, and IT IS FINE TO DISAGREE. Not everyone has to agree with everyone else, and as another poster said, we'd be boring if we all agreed. As I've said many times, no parent is wrong in making a choice for their child if they feel it is in their child's best interest, regardless of whether someone else disagrees, and no person should ever be made to feel guilty or judged or wrong for that choice.

For the sake of actually sounding rude, this is all I have gotten from any of your responses, is that circ'ing a child is wrong, leaves them imperfect, and that parents who chose this for their child are mutilators and even though the children who are circ'd do not directly affect you in any way, you have every right to step in and have an opinion on their choice and attempt to make them feel they did wrong by making that choice. Whether that was your intention or not, that is the impression that has come across to me, anyway. I can't speak for others. All I have maintained is that no one has the right to do that to another, because in the end, we all love our kids the same, no matter what different choices we make in their best interests. In simple words: Not your kid, not your problem.

If this isn't what you were attempting to get across, please do explain. I would like to understand better.

But I am curious how my reason for circumcising my son(s) is bizarre. Because after much research and deliberation I decided not to risk my boys suffering the same severe phimosis fate as their uncles? That makes my reasons for circumcising bizarre?

 

[Noodlebear]

You are basically trying to imply that I am saying circumcised boys are not perfect. I am not. It doesn't make sense because if you're trying to play the 'perfection' card it is your side of the argument that is seeking to change a person's body. Not mine. That argument doesn't fit and I strongly dislike that you're even trying to turn it into some sort of competition about their bodies. I did not say your child wasn't perfect but mine is. I said that mine is and I wouldn't want to change him, it's not my place to. I wouldn't go and pierce him for the same reasons - it's his body not mine. I have an adult friend who recently was circumcised because he was, er.... 'too big for his casing' as he eloquently puts it. I have nothing to say about that because not only was it for medical purposes but he was able to consent to it. It's up to him what he does with his own body. My stance isn't on whether or not a male is circumcised (although I admit that I don't like it) but that I don't feel it's acceptable for anyone to make a decision like that for someone else. It is not my body.

 

[aragornlover8]

Thanks for keeping everything overall civil, ladies. I know that this is a heated/controversial topic. My point in posting the article was to highlight that some medical professionals now think that circumcision should be required, that it will reduce the amount of money spent on things like UTI/STI treatment, and that it should be treated like vaccinations in that regard.

If anything, I think this healthy debate has shown that a vaccination-type approach is definitely not best. But that's just me.

 

[Shadowy Lady]

I have a daughter but I would not circumcise a boy if I had one. I just don't feel that it is necessary and I dislike it when articles suggest that it helps prevent HIV in Africa so it should be the practice everywhere. You simply cannot compare the health care in a developed country (like the US, UK or Canada) to a mostly under-developped continent.

Comparing circumcision to vaccination would be funny if it wasn't such a dangerous thought to voice :/ However, I don't agree with comparing circumcision to female genital circumcision either; that's too far fetched!

I see that the circumcision rate is dropping in both Canada and the US. Seems that more and more parents put thoughts into tradition "procedures" before committing to it.

On the look thing - I've been with both cut and un-cut guys and I don't have a preference for either look. I do have a preference for how they use it though lol!