vino anyone?

[TFSGirl]

whats safe and not safe changes on a daily basis. i agree drinking regularly isnt healthy while pregnant, but i honetly think one glass isnt giong to do anything. i have had the grand total of two glasses of wine and refuse to beat myself up about it considering what i have given up.

its only the last few years that caffeine has been deemed unsafe for example. how many people do you know who drank shed loads of tea/coffee through their pregnancies?

my dad got cancer from cleaning products - how many of you have stopped cleaning while pregnant?

Completely agree with you Berge, 100%. It's an individual choice, and you are allowed to do as you please. I personally actually HAVE stopped cleaning with any cleaning products since I fell pregnant, and only use water and vinegar to wash my floors. If cleaning products HAVE to be used, OH does the cleaning. I also haven't drank out of anything that isn't glass. Yes, I am overly cautious to a point that it is "crazy" but like I said I have an anthro background that tells me shit is NOT safe, and I know there are things in life we don't know are safe or not, but the things I have heard and read ans studied that aren't safe, I have made the choice to stay far far away from.

Not to mention my OH has two kids with special needs and their disabilities are unexplainable... so I have been a paranoid person in trying to just not do unhealthy things.

 

[chearty]

I've had a glass of champagne, and half a pint over the course of this pregnancy. It doesn't appeal to me in the same it did pre-pregnancy, but the two times that I had it, it did. I don't think it will cause any major issues since it's small amounts. I do feel like it's way more acceptable for me to do here in the UK by comparison to USA, where I'm from. Here it seems that people constantly offer me alcohol, knowing that I'm pregnant. I go back to America over the summer and I think I would be way too scared to drink publically there... can't really explain why, just seems like it'll be different.

 

[TFSGirl]

Maybe I should start doing cocaine in moderation

Well, I clearly didn't mean that but I get what you're saying.

Like I said, it's not for me but everyone's different.

I know you didn't, hence the wink at the end. I guess my scientific and anthropology background makes me quick to think of all the risks of alcohol and other drugs to FULL GROWN humans, and thus I can't help but wonder why we would want to do that to our growing babies, but you are correct, it's an individual choice... I just have done SO much research on this stuff and try to abstain from it for the most part beyond a glass at Christmas or Easter that giving it to my baby seems very very odd. Again, my own personal opinion though.

Sorry! I just don't agree with drugs at all pre-pregnancy so definite no-no during pregnancy.

That's understandable then, I haven't researched it at all as never had the desire to drink alcohol at all since bing pregnant. I just think it's really easy to judge other people (which we all do, obviously) when none of us are perfect. I found out I was pregnant at 4+2 and didn't quit smoking until 6 weeks, so would feel really hypocritical judging someone else for something that is supposed to be 'wrong'.

Again, I completely agree. I'm not judging what people are doing, and my cocaine comment was semi-tongue-in-cheek. I can't stop people from doing what they are doing, but my own individual experiences have led me to the path I am leading while I am pregnant.

 

[Gabber]

Here's my opinion: I'm actually shocked by all the pro-drinking threads on this site. I guess it is a UK thing (although I doubt all people from the UK feel this way). I just don't understand why anyone would risk it (whether one glass is harmful or not). It's only 9 months of your life. Your innocent baby isn't asking for alcohol in its tiny little body/system, so you can't just think of you anymore. A "little bit" of alcohol to you may not seem like a lot, but to a baby in utero, it's that much more toxic to them.

 

[TFSGirl]

I've had a glass of champagne, and half a pint over the course of this pregnancy. It doesn't appeal to me in the same it did pre-pregnancy, but the two times that I had it, it did. I don't think it will cause any major issues since it's small amounts. I do feel like it's way more acceptable for me to do here in the UK by comparison to USA, where I'm from. Here it seems that people constantly offer me alcohol, knowing that I'm pregnant. I go back to America over the summer and I think I would be way too scared to drink publically there... can't really explain why, just seems like it'll be different.

I'm also going to say, that this right here, the stigma behind drinking in the states and in Canada, are the very reason that people end up doing it "secretly" and why it has become such a problem. Including during pregnancy. People tend to get this idea of "well if people can't see me doing it, I'm not really doing it", It's like closet eaters and closet smokers.... you're tricking yourself into thinking it's okay as long as no one knows. The fact it is ok in the UK tends to mean people don't go ALL OUT when they get the chance.... but in the States they go all out on everything by trying to be secretive about it.

(not sure that makes entire sense to everyone, but I've again done a lot of studying on tons of different cultures, and the "secret" phenomenon always tends to make problems worse)

 

[Bergebabe]

tfs i understand your choices and the reasons. again thats up to you, and i wouldnt judge you for that either. also on a personal note cleaning products are my personal bug bear for obvious reasons and so many people dont realise how damaging they are.

i honestly dont have a strong opinion either way on what other people to choose to do when pregnant (within reason of course) i just cant stand people judging. to be fair this thread hasnt been too bad for it but some threads on here get very heavy on similar subjects and i think we beat ourselves up enough when we're pregnant without other pg women doing it too!!

 

[Bergebabe]

oops i spoke too soon took me a while to post that last one

 

[TFSGirl]

I've tried very hard just to state my opinion with the facts I am aware of without beating anyone else up, so I truly hope I haven't come across as a shit kicker. I do have to admit I have bitten my tongue on some things, but again, I'm not trying to get into a fight with anyone.

 

[Bergebabe]

i didnt mean you lovie

 

[SpringerS]

About France having the highest rate of FAS globally, what I have read is that FAS was discovered in France but there are higher rates in The States than in France with a difference of 7 per 1000 births.

In the US the highest current estimates from the CDC's Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Surveillance Network are 1.5 per 1000 in the worst effected regions. The French estimates in the majority of studies are higher than that.

 

[Betrix]

I'll just stick with the CDC's idea that FAS IS 100% preventable if you don't drink while you are pregnant. The CDC says "there is no known safe amount of alcohol to drink while pregnant. There is also no safe time during pregnancy to drink and no safe kind of alcohol."

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html


https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/alcohol-use.html

I won't judge anyone for their choices I just won't take the risk myself.

 

[Betrix]

whats safe and not safe changes on a daily basis. i agree drinking regularly isnt healthy while pregnant, but i honetly think one glass isnt giong to do anything. i have had the grand total of two glasses of wine and refuse to beat myself up about it considering what i have given up.

its only the last few years that caffeine has been deemed unsafe for example. how many people do you know who drank shed loads of tea/coffee through their pregnancies?

my dad got cancer from cleaning products - how many of you have stopped cleaning while pregnant?

I did not realize that cleaning products could cause cancer. Likely because I don't keep them in my house.
I prefer to make my own natural cleaning products since it is healthier.Also it means my kids both get to help me clean safely. You would think they would put out warnings if that is something that can cause cancer though. That is a little bit scary. I know the chemicals in them are dangerous which is why I refuse to touch them but I had no idea they could be that dangerous.

 

[babyjo]

Each to their own. I agree with both sides. We are lucky that we have access to information so that each individual woman can make as an informed a choice as possible.

There are women who follow ALL the rules during their pregnancy and have minimal contact with toxins etc that end up with major unexplained complications in their child and then there are women who smoke, drink, don't know that they are pregnant and have the most healthy child. We know there are factors that can affect pregnancy.

I haven't had any alcohol myself but the odd glass of wine with a meal for me can do no more harm to my bubs then the medical drugs and treatment that i have received during this pregnancy.

 

[fraggle081112]

Just wondering what people are doing with alcohol?? I know we are advised that we can drink a small amount if we want. Me and my OH went out for a lovely Italian tonight (I am suffering now those as I ate WAY too much! ) and I decided to have my 1st glass of vino I had already decided that when we're off on holiday I was going to treat myself to a couple of glasses then but was wondering what are you guys doing? abstaining or the odd treat or more??

Im going to abstain completely... first baby & dont want to take the risk.
That said, its my birthday today and i would love a glass of ice cold Pinot Grigio! I loved my wine pre-pregnancy but i havent really missed it. When the weather is nice i really fancy a glass of champagne with a strawberry in it - very random craving, but it drives me insane lol

 

[starah]

None, I don't really drink when I am not pregnant either.

 

[Hopefulk]

I had two sips of champagne at a wedding on Saturday and that's me done until we have another wedding in August... I'll also toast the couple there but only as a gesture

 

[x melanie x]

None for me either. I agree that the odd glass probably won't do any long term harm but I wouldn't take the risk. I wouldnt give my four and five year old sons alcohol so why would I give it to my unborn daughter. We watched a programme on alcohol in pregnancy the other night and it was saying how the alcohol does pass through the placenta and stays in the unborn baby for seven times longer than it would in ours. Again, no probable long term damage but not nice for baby.

The choice has to be a personal one and based on your own research and views.

 

[TFSGirl]

See, the idea that it would stay in him 7 times longer than it would in my makes me sick to my stomach. I cannot fathom doing that to him.

 

[Bergebabe]

whats safe and not safe changes on a daily basis. i agree drinking regularly isnt healthy while pregnant, but i honetly think one glass isnt giong to do anything. i have had the grand total of two glasses of wine and refuse to beat myself up about it considering what i have given up.

its only the last few years that caffeine has been deemed unsafe for example. how many people do you know who drank shed loads of tea/coffee through their pregnancies?

my dad got cancer from cleaning products - how many of you have stopped cleaning while pregnant?

I did not realize that cleaning products could cause cancer. Likely because I don't keep them in my house.
I prefer to make my own natural cleaning products since it is healthier.Also it means my kids both get to help me clean safely. You would think they would put out warnings if that is something that can cause cancer though. That is a little bit scary. I know the chemicals in them are dangerous which is why I refuse to touch them but I had no idea they could be that dangerous.

It was a very strong industrial cleaner for a commercial kitchen which he was supposed to wear a mask with but didnt so no doubt it did have a warning which he ignored. The only difference with home stuff though is its not as strong so surely enogh use can bad? I

 

[Bergebabe]

Bloomin phone, sorry for not very clear post! Was just gonna say its just my personal rant for obvious reasons. Modt thing are bad for us it seems!