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What everyone should know about tongue and lip ties.

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Tongue and lip ties are present in about 10-15% of the population. 40 or more years ago in both the US and UK or more it was semi routine (if on the way out) to snip a baby's frenulum as part of the post birth care. With the rise in bottle feeding in the 1970's the practice fell out of favour and professionals lost the ability to detect tongue ties.

Signs of tongue ties:
  • Pain while breastfeeding. A normal latch may hurt at first, but pain should subside within a minute after latching and certainly be getting better after a few weeks.
  • Ongoing damage to the nipple- this can manifest as persistant thrush, a clamped compressed look to the nipple and ongoing pain. Again, some damage and cracking is normal but normal damage and pain should show signs of improvement over time.
  • Inability to latch to a bare breast
  • A visible tie, forked tip or heart shaped tongue.
  • Weight loss in the newborn above acceptable (10%) levels that does not correct itself with other management techniques.
  • Poor weight gain in the infant.
  • Loss of milk supply in the mother. Undiagnosed tongue ties are probably one of the largest causes of low supply.
  • Recurrent mastitis especially coupled with infant weight loss or poor gain.
  • Low bodily output in the infant.
  • A clicking noise while feeding from the breast or bottle.
  • Milk running out the sides of the mouth whilst bottle feeding.
  • Swallowing difficulties resulting in intake of air, increased stomach upset, reflux symptoms and discomfort in the infant. This can present as spluttering, coughing and choking after initial let down.
  • Slipping off the breast.

Potential later life issues:
  • Speech problems
  • Dental issues
  • Issues with weaning- swallowing difficulties

Not all babies with tongue ties will experience all or sometimes any of these difficulties. Some babies are able to breastfeed normally, usually owing to the mother having a nipple and breast shape that works well with the tie, as well as an adequate initial milk supply and letdown. However, many infants with tongue tie will present with some of the issues.
Tongue mobility is key, so even a baby able to stick out their tongue may have a tie if they cannot raise their tongue or move it freely in the mouth.
For breastfeeding there are several key tongue motions- the tongue must be able to protrude over the lower lip, it must be able to reach the top of the mouth while the jaw is dropped and it must be able to undulate to create the peristaltic action required for removing milk (so be free to move midway to the back of the tongue). Again this can vary based on mother's breast shape, let down etc.


Further compounding the problem is that many modern practitioners are not able to detect the tongue tie. Despite experiencing these problems you may be told that your baby does not have a tongue tie even when they do. There are several types. The most obvious is the anterior tongue tie. Posterior or submucosal tongue ties can cause just as much difficulty.

Where to get help above and beyond your midwife, GP, or paediatrician:
In the UK:
https://milkmatters.org.uk/2011/04/...-feeding-problems-however-you-feed-your-baby/
https://www.tongue-tie.co.uk/
https://www.babyfriendly.org.uk/page.asp?page=154
https://www.breastfeedingmatters.co.uk/tongue tie.html
https://www.tongue-tie-release.co.uk/
Kings College Hospital in Denmark Hill, London. (Thanks Kota!)
In Canada
https://www.speechandhearing.ca/en/find-a-professional
I'd also suggest asking LLL leaders if they can recommend anyone. I wasn't able to find much private in Canada, likely due to the way the health system is.
In the US:
Dr Kotlow- if this is far away from you you might try contacting him and asking if he knows anyone in your area.https://www.kiddsteeth.com/. I've heard that he'll write letters of support to your doctors as well. (Really good pictures at this link)
Dr Robert Wesman at Children's Hospital in Oakland, Ca https://www.robertwesman.com/
Catharine Watson Genna, IBCLC specialist in infant oral issues. https://www.cwgenna.com/ (Really good pictures at this link)
There are loads of laser dentistry places that do tongue ties, but these three I've seen people be really happy with their skill, so if they aren't in your area you might ask them if they can recommend someone who is.
In Australia
https://www.cosmicsmile.com.au/services/specialised/frenectomy-tongue-tie
https://www.smileconcepts.com.au/tongue-ties-and-frenectomies.html
Again, loads of laser dentistry places that do tongue ties.
In NZ
https://www.lasersmile.co.nz/cosmet...r-dentistry/tongue-tie-release-laser-surgery/

General lists:
https://www.lowmilksupply.org/frenotomy.shtml
Academy of Laser Dentistry


(if anyone has anyone to recommend I'll add them)


You may find resistance to getting the tongue tie snipped and it may be easier and quicker, if you can afford it, to pay for the snipping privately. It is a relatively quick and easy procedure for a young baby, but can require anaesthetics with an older child. There is a small risk of bleeding issues or other damage but in my opinion the benefits far outweigh the risks.
Your best bet is to search for laser dentistry, paediatric dentistry, some paediatricians, some midwives, ear nose throat specialists, speech therapists, call IBCLCs and ask if they have experience with posterior tongue or lip ties (if you suspect a sneaky tie) and go armed with pictures as seen in the links above.

Tongue tie after care: After your baby's tongue tie is snipped you may feel an immediate difference or you may not. If you do not, give your baby 2-4 weeks to adjust to their 'new' tongue and then call the person who performed the tie for a recheck. You should be given exercises to do with your baby to keep the tie from growing back together. This may involve using a clean finger to lift your baby's tongue, getting them to touch the roof of their mouth and stick their tongue out. You should do these until the cut is healed.
 
I think this should be made a sticky, loads of new mums would find this useful :thumbup:
 
Thanks! My sis has been having problems and if I didn't read this we might not have pought of Tongue tie. Very useful!
 
Yes, my DS had a severe tongue tie right at the tip of his tongue which was diagnosed within hours of giving birth however nothing was done about it until he was almost 3 weeks. He lost just under 10% of his body weight and had jaundice because he wasn't getting enough milk despite me having loads and him latching on great for first few seconds but not being able to stay on, bless him. I find it really unbelievable that for a country (UK) that promotes and preaches about breast being best they couldn't perform a simple procedure for a new mum who was desperate to exclusively breastfeed. It took seconds to do when he had it done and his latch and suck are so strong but unfortunately I now combine feed as my milk supply suffered during those three weeks.
 
Thanks for this post. I really struggled when I tried to bf my LO. I had to stop as I got really infected nipples which developed into Mrsa. I kept asking the mw about Tongue tie but she kept telling me that it was over hyped, and caused no problem. I felt I missed out and didnt bond properly with him. The pain was awful. He just couldn't latch on properly and couldn't get enough milk. I so badly want to bf this time. X
 
Thanks for this post. I really struggled when I tried to bf my LO. I had to stop as I got really infected nipples which developed into Mrsa. I kept asking the mw about Tongue tie but she kept telling me that it was over hyped, and caused no problem. I felt I missed out and didnt bond properly with him. The pain was awful. He just couldn't latch on properly and couldn't get enough milk. I so badly want to bf this time. X

I hope it works out for you this time :hugs:
 
Thanks for this post. I really struggled when I tried to bf my LO. I had to stop as I got really infected nipples which developed into Mrsa. I kept asking the mw about Tongue tie but she kept telling me that it was over hyped, and caused no problem. I felt I missed out and didnt bond properly with him. The pain was awful. He just couldn't latch on properly and couldn't get enough milk. I so badly want to bf this time. X

I hope it works out for you this time :hugs:

Thankyou. Xx
 
I was having problems BF with LO only doing a few sucks before stopping and I was having a dwindling milk supply. After posting on here CeriB and Squiggle08 suggested to have him checked for tongue tie.

I went to my GP who confirmed he did have a tongue tie but as it was minor they would wait until he was 1 year before seeing if it was causing him any problems. When I said i thought it was causing problems now with BF'ing I was advised by the GP to switch to formula - I left the docs in tears.

I spoke to the senior MW the next day who booked him in to see the specialist yesterday and he has now had his tongue tie clipped and is feeding so much better 1 day on :). We are now hopeful it isnt the end of our BF journey - just need to get my milk supply back up which we are working on now!.
 
For those also within travelling distance of London, Kings College hospital in Denmark Hill runs a free clinic every week where the Dr spends all afternoon sniping ties. It's free, its quick and he's extremly supportive of babies being snipped as soon as possible to help encourage a successful BF'ing relationship. You do need a referral, but if you know its there, then its somewhere else you can go.
 
thanks so much for posting this,i had a tongue tie and had to do special exercises to help my speech. then when my son was born he had no priblems putting on weight but my one nipple was always sore and mos shapen after feed, my MW was useless, said my positioning was fine and latch was fine so no problem. so i did nothing then when he got his first tooth my mum (a nurse) was having a look and said 'did you realise he's got a tongue tie?' then it made sense!! if i'd have read this post it would have made sense earlier!! so thank you for letting new mums know and also just to let others know that little man has put on great weight and feeds well although my nipple is still mis shapen and a litle painful to begin with but gets better as he feeds and i can put up with it to know i'm giving him what he needs x
 
Good information!

Side note:
I have it and so does almost everyone in my family, and my bubs has it too. I did not have it corrected and have had no problems BFing him. I think that the degree of severity it is will be more of a determining factor when whether it will/should be fixed.

Like mentioned, not all babies and BFing mothers have issues BFing even if baby has a tie. Just keep in mind, if you and LO are doing fine, you don't NEED to have it fixed. I have no speech issues, and all my siblings are fine as well. Bubs is also OK as of now :)

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My eldest had a tongue tie and I only realised now my youngest has also had one; looking at pictures/videos of my eldest as a baby it's glaringly obvious but only now I know what to look for. I knew he had a high-arched palate before but tongue tie was new to me. It does explain a lot of the feeding problems he had; even with bottles he had serious problems, his frenulum has stretched now though. He also had a lip tie; and still does though it isn't quite as tight now because he smacked his lip as a toddler and snapped a bit of it; he has a big gap between his two front teeth though as the tie goes from right at the top of his gum, all the way down the front of his gum, to the back and along the roof of his mouth. My youngest also has tongue tie; but in this area its very hard to get a referral for it on the NHS, at first I did have discomfort and vasospasm because of it but by the time of his 8 week check it had already started to improve and he latches extremely well now, no pain; and overall he has had considerably better weight gain than any of my others. Also as he has got older his has stretched; he can now stick his tongue out slightly, lick toys etc. I would rather have it snipped in the early days but if that is difficult or impossible a tongue tie can in many cases be worked around xx
 
I have wondered for a while if my LO has a tongue tie, he is not able to touch the roof of his mouth with his tongue and it doesn't come out very far, he makes clicking noises when feeding, loses the latch a lot and has a permenant nursing blister. he is also very windy and gets a lot of hiccoughs. When he was newborn the midwife looked at is tongue for about 2 secs but didn't say what for.
 
It does sound like it may be tongue tie; the midwife who examined my son when born was specially trained to look for TT and still missed it! LO can now touch the roof of his mouth and his tongue works as normal but it just looks a little odd; as his frenulum is quite far forward on the underside of his tongue but has loosened up a lot now. Hopefully it will end up looking totally normal like my other son xx
 
If there is a BF support team/group in your area then they should be able to check it, most GPs know what to look for as well (just some are in denial that TTs can cause problems as opposed to not knowing what a TT looks like) xx
 
my hv diagnosed my son with an upper lip tie just over a month ago, and he had been checked by a gp at 6 weeks old
 
Maybe i am one of the 'lucky ones' but i breastfed my daughter on demand and only a week and a half later the midwifes found out she was tongue tied.

I was in awful pain but just continued regardless as i had no idea whatsoever that tongue tied babys had trouble and the pain could have been what others have with a non TT baby. My daughter gained weight and in a month we got the hang of it and we continued for 6 months.
 
Hi - can anyone tell me what the exercises are you're meant to do after a tongue tie has been snipped? My four week old had his snipped on Friday but we weren't given any exercises to do and I'm concerned that although he seems to be latching on better I'm still in a fair amount of pain, and I don't want the tongue tie to reattach and him having to go through the procedure again at a later date.

If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it as I can't find anything on the net. Is it just a case of putting a finger in his mouth underneath the tongue and lifting it?
 
This is interesting... I am still having problems with my second child and have had EVERYTHING checked... After 3 weeks of minimal (1oz a week) weight gain and dropping from 75th centile at birth to the 2nd, my HV insisted I give a bottle of formula a day, alongside taking domperidone. My milk supply has certainly increased but my LO is still struggling to feed... even from the bottle... I have to fight to get 5oz into him and it's not because he's not hungry. My hv says he doesn't have tongue tie as he can lift his tongue... but she thinks maybe his tongue is a bit short as he can't stick it out! I have finally persuaded her to refer him to paediatrics as I'm desperate to keep bf him and he struggles with the bottle anyway. Probably going to take an age to get appointment through though... :-(
 

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