A thought on introducing solids...

And as I said earlier, I also find it to be way more work/mess.

:rofl: That you won't get any argument with! Perversely though, I enjoy it. I doubt I'll feel the same in 4mths time, but for now I'm enjoying the daily battle to get him to try a bit of food.

Clearly I have issues!

Pfft! Enjoy while you can! Lol! I noe have a 1 yr old who insists on not getting any help, yet only finds his mouth half the time. The other half finds the floor, the wall, the table, his clothes, his face, his hair,......

My daughter had a lasagna beard last tuesday LOL
 
And I'm honestly confused as to how you've taken my post about how breast milk/formula is superior to solid food before 6 months and turned it into breast vs formula.

I didn't. You're over reading what I've said. What I'm saying is that:

a) different parents make different choices for their baby
b ) sometimes those choices follow guidelines, sometimes they don't
c) if a parent has gone against guildelines after making an informed decision about their child's care, who is anyone else to say their decision doesn't make sense, be it about when to wean, formula or breastmilk, or even what time they put them down to bed at night.
 
I think we need an icon of a dog chasing its tail to symbolize "going around in circles".
 
And I'm honestly confused as to how you've taken my post about how breast milk/formula is superior to solid food before 6 months and turned it into breast vs formula.

I didn't. You're over reading what I've said. What I'm saying is that:

a) different parents make different choices for their baby
b ) sometimes those choices follow guidelines, sometimes they don't
c) if a parent has gone against guildelines after making an informed decision about their child's care, who is anyone else to say their decision doesn't make sense, be it about when to wean, formula or breastmilk, or even what time they put them down to bed at night.

Okay I see what you're saying, and I agree with all of that, and have done it personally when it came to switching to formula. Guidelines say breast is best, but eventually for us it wasn't for a few reasons. I still did the right thing for me and my LO based on our personal circumstances. So I have no problem with what you're saying.

It's the OP's specific situation that I don't agree with. If you have a really good reason to wean early, like reflux, then it may be the only thing that works and in that case I think it IS the best decision, it's just that so many people do it for the wrong reasons so sometimes people get worked up about the issue. And since the OP didn't have any medical reason to do it, people did get worked up. She did it just because she feels her LO is advanced development-wise and thinks that somehow correlates with gut maturity.
 
This...is a mess. Dinner tonight
 

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Aww, but he looks like he's had so much fun, and has an expression that suggests that he has more in mind...!

...Maybe I'll just buy a shed to feed my little guy in when he starts taking more control. I can just burn it down when we move. To be fair, I'm impressed with what he can accomplish with half a breadstick...
 
I haven't read the whole thread, because I have about 3 minutes before my LO wakes from a nap, so sorry if someone has already said this. I just want to add that it is best to wait until around 6 months so that the gut is mature enough. Weaning early can cause allergies if a baby has an immature gut, the reason being that babies' immature guts are 'leaky', meaning that foreign proteins can basically slip through into the bloodstream, at which point the body goes 'oh that's not right' and mounts an immune response to it, leading to an allergy.

No, it doesn't mean that your baby WILL develop an allergy, it just means that there is an increased risk when weaning early. When babies are old enough - around 6 months - the digestive system becomes less leaky and so this is less likely to happen. Just adding some science in laymans terms here, in case anyone needed it!
 
Personally my sons doctor reccomended I give him cereal, pureed fruits/veggies at his last appointment. So far hes had rice cereal(which on the box I see a ton of vitamins/nutrients in so I don't understand why people think it has no value?), and pureed peaches. He loves it and always seems excited to be eating from the spoon, even has tried to take the spoon and feed himself :haha:.
OP, I would take his doctors opinion into consideration...its strange though how some doctors reccomend different things than others..however if you feel its whats best for your child than I would continue to do what you are doing. The guildlines are between 4-6 months(6 months reccomended more so) But really do we have to follow the GUIDLINE religiously? Try solids on the exact day your baby turns 6 months or beyond? In my personal opinion, no.

I think the rice cereal in the US is different to the UK

Oh this is very interesting. What are the rice cereal brands in the UK? I am curious to look it up. If they are completely different, maybe that's why I see a lot of ladies anti-rice cereal on the forums.

I gave rice cereal. We used Gerber DHA and Probotic rice cereal. It had tons of nutrition in it. It's also a nice thickener when your pureed fruits and veg turn out very watery.

Nutrition Facts

Serv. Size 1/4 cup (15g)
Servings Per Container About 15
Amount Per Serving
Calories 60

Total Fat: 0.5g
Trans Fat: 0g
Sodium: 5mg
Potassium: 40mg
Total Carbohydrates: 12g
Dietary Fiber: 0g
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 1g

%Daily Value Infants 0-1 Children 1-4
Protein: 3% 3%
Vitamin A: 0% 0%
Vitamin C: 25% 20%
Calcium: 20% 15%
Iron: 45% 60%
Vitamin E: 25% 10%
Thiamin: 25% 15%
Riboflavin: 25% 20%
Niacin: 25% 20%
Vitamin B6: 25% 10%
Folate: 25% 10%
Vitamin B12: 25% 15%
Phosphorous: 4% 2%
Zinc: 20% 10%


But anyways I completely agree with everything laodicean has said. I've been reading a lot about when to introduce foods and how it affects allergies/ digestion and it seems like more things are coming out now that say there is no correlation.
 
Even though rice cereal in the US has nutrients these are artificial nutrients that have been added in, even when it comes to organic products the vitamins and minerals are exempt from having to be organic and natural. There has been research in the past that has indicated that fortified is not as good as getting the nutrients from foods where they are present naturally. There have been analyses done recently on rice products from the US including baby rice cereal and these have found potentially dangerous levels of arsenic. This is due to industrial contamination from the cotton industry the same type of land now being used for growing rice. Again there is no difference with the organic rice and potentially whole grain rice could be more affected as the casing which absorbs some of the arsenic, has not been removed.

My youngest has been able to sit unaided for a good 30 seconds to a minute since he just turned 3 months, can sit without slumping with very little support, can stand himself up against the sofa if his back is to it, can roll both ways, had great head control from the start, 'chats' with us and is trying to push himself forward and crawl. He can also put things in his mouth in a well controlled way. This is not a brag but just to say despite all of this and him being 17 weeks now-I do not feel he is ready for solids. He looks at us eating with interest and copies us, again it doesn't mean he is ready for solids. I just don't know if his insides are ready.

It's a myth that babies have been weaned at 3-4 months 'forever', in the 50s, 60s and early 70s there was a trend towards making babies into mini adults in a sense, sleep training from the start and starting on solid foods in the first few weeks with some US doctors advocating giving puréed solids including meat, in the hospital! Prior to this though historically weaning was done at around 6-9 months, if not later. It has been said on the thread that waiting until 6 months hasn't cut the risk of allergies but the fact is that despite updated guidance being in place for ten years the majority of babies are still weaned onto solids well prior to six months with it still being worryingly common for them to be weaned prior to four months. It could only be confidently stated that delaying until six months hasn't cut the risk of allergies if parents were sticking to this guideline but the reality is, very few are.

As for dieticians the professional body the majority of them belong to in the UK, The British Dietetic Association, isn't a completely neutral organisation, it is funded mainly by corporate sponsors and partners and this includes the updated training provided for them. Their main partners/sponsors are Nutrica (wing of Danone that makes c&g, aptamil and their associated baby food ranges), Danone itself, and Abbott Nutrition who don't make mainstream formulas in the UK but they do in most other countries. Call me a cynic but there is a lot of marketing of their products involved and I don't think that all dieticians can possibly be immune to this. Xx
 
Even though rice cereal in the US has nutrients these are artificial nutrients that have been added in, even when it comes to organic products the vitamins and minerals are exempt from having to be organic and natural. There has been research in the past that has indicated that fortified is not as good as getting the nutrients from foods where they are present naturally. There have been analyses done recently on rice products from the US including baby rice cereal and these have found potentially dangerous levels of arsenic. This is due to industrial contamination from the cotton industry the same type of land now being used for growing rice. Again there is no difference with the organic rice and potentially whole grain rice could be more affected as the casing which absorbs some of the arsenic, has not been removed.

My youngest has been able to sit unaided for a good 30 seconds to a minute since he just turned 3 months, can sit without slumping with very little support, can stand himself up against the sofa if his back is to it, can roll both ways, had great head control from the start, 'chats' with us and is trying to push himself forward and crawl. He can also put things in his mouth in a well controlled way. This is not a brag but just to say despite all of this and him being 17 weeks now-I do not feel he is ready for solids. He looks at us eating with interest and copies us, again it doesn't mean he is ready for solids. I just don't know if his insides are ready.

It's a myth that babies have been weaned at 3-4 months 'forever', in the 50s, 60s and early 70s there was a trend towards making babies into mini adults in a sense, sleep training from the start and starting on solid foods in the first few weeks with some US doctors advocating giving puréed solids including meat, in the hospital! Prior to this though historically weaning was done at around 6-9 months, if not later. It has been said on the thread that waiting until 6 months hasn't cut the risk of allergies but the fact is that despite updated guidance being in place for ten years the majority of babies are still weaned onto solids well prior to six months with it still being worryingly common for them to be weaned prior to four months. It could only be confidently stated that delaying until six months hasn't cut the risk of allergies if parents were sticking to this guideline but the reality is, very few are.

As for dieticians the professional body the majority of them belong to in the UK, The British Dietetic Association, isn't a completely neutral organisation, it is funded mainly by corporate sponsors and partners and this includes the updated training provided for them. Their main partners/sponsors are Nutrica (wing of Danone that makes c&g, aptamil and their associated baby food ranges), Danone itself, and Abbott Nutrition who don't make mainstream formulas in the UK but they do in most other countries. Call me a cynic but there is a lot of marketing of their products involved and I don't think that all dieticians can possibly be immune to this. Xx

I am on my phone so can't highlight the bit I want to, but I have a pears encyclopedia from 1931 and the reccomended weaning age in there is 7 months.

My grandma had her kids in the 1960's and said that baby rice was given as an aditive in bottles from very early one, mere weeks of age, but spoon feeding etc not until 5.5 with my mum and 8 months with my uncle as per their apparent desires to start food.

Oh, and I totally think my mum giving me rice in my bottles at 6 weeks has done me harm. Do I blame her? No? She was only just turned 18, newly married and overwhelmed. But the silly nurse who advised this is always gonna be a dickhead in my eyes.
 
Ok i get im late to this but here's my experience, i did wean poppy at 4 months as she was much further ahead than other baby's even sitting up on her own. Do i regret weaning her so early? yes. She may have been ahead pysically but i didn't know her insides. She was never a fan of milk and i struggled to get her to drink it. around 6 months she didnt drink any milk for 2 days. It's just not worth it. However when i had freya she had many problems one being reflux. And around 18 weeks she had thrown up every bottle that day i gave her some baby rice and it helped keep her milk down better. But i didnt properly wean untill 6 months. I worry that ive caused them more harm later in life and its just not worth that worry. Btw i did BLW apart from the baby rice with freya.
 
TBH I think people overthink (and overargue) about rice cereal. Everyone in the world eats rice. It's a staple food. I also can't believe people talk about fortified foods in a negative way. Most people take vitamins. 4 months is accepted as bare minimum, but 6 months is better to start. None of these issues are such a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
 
I think every baby is different and a mum should decide based on her instincts and knowledge about the baby. You will hear so much conflicting advice from the day your baby is born...best thing is to go with your gut instinct. I know many babies who were weaned at 4 or 5 months of age and who are perfectly healthy and happy children or adults now :)
 
TBH I think people overthink (and overargue) about rice cereal. Everyone in the world eats rice. It's a staple food. I also can't believe people talk about fortified foods in a negative way. Most people take vitamins. 4 months is accepted as bare minimum, but 6 months is better to start. None of these issues are such a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

If it's a toss up between fortified processed foods even if organic, and foods naturally containing vitamins/minerals that are not processed it is obviously better to go for the latter wherever possible. Nothing wrong with taking vitamins either but even the manufacturers clearly state they are not a replacement for a varied, balanced diet. In countries where rice or any other food is the only staple it can lead to health problems. Arsenic is also a real health risk

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm

Xx
 
Personally my sons doctor reccomended I give him cereal, pureed fruits/veggies at his last appointment. So far hes had rice cereal(which on the box I see a ton of vitamins/nutrients in so I don't understand why people think it has no value?), and pureed peaches. He loves it and always seems excited to be eating from the spoon, even has tried to take the spoon and feed himself :haha:.
OP, I would take his doctors opinion into consideration...its strange though how some doctors reccomend different things than others..however if you feel its whats best for your child than I would continue to do what you are doing. The guildlines are between 4-6 months(6 months reccomended more so) But really do we have to follow the GUIDLINE religiously? Try solids on the exact day your baby turns 6 months or beyond? In my personal opinion, no.

I think the rice cereal in the US is different to the UK

Oh this is very interesting. What are the rice cereal brands in the UK? I am curious to look it up. If they are completely different, maybe that's why I see a lot of ladies anti-rice cereal on the forums.

I gave rice cereal. We used Gerber DHA and Probotic rice cereal. It had tons of nutrition in it. It's also a nice thickener when your pureed fruits and veg turn out very watery.

Nutrition Facts

Serv. Size 1/4 cup (15g)
Servings Per Container About 15
Amount Per Serving
Calories 60

Total Fat: 0.5g
Trans Fat: 0g
Sodium: 5mg
Potassium: 40mg
Total Carbohydrates: 12g
Dietary Fiber: 0g
Sugar: 1g
Protein: 1g

%Daily Value Infants 0-1 Children 1-4
Protein: 3% 3%
Vitamin A: 0% 0%
Vitamin C: 25% 20%
Calcium: 20% 15%
Iron: 45% 60%
Vitamin E: 25% 10%
Thiamin: 25% 15%
Riboflavin: 25% 20%
Niacin: 25% 20%
Vitamin B6: 25% 10%
Folate: 25% 10%
Vitamin B12: 25% 15%
Phosphorous: 4% 2%
Zinc: 20% 10%


But anyways I completely agree with everything laodicean has said. I've been reading a lot about when to introduce foods and how it affects allergies/ digestion and it seems like more things are coming out now that say there is no correlation.

How much of those nutrients are absorbed though? For example formula has alot more Iron in it then breastmilk does but thats only because only 10% of that is absorbed where as with breastmilk 40% is
 
I think every baby is different and a mum should decide based on her instincts and knowledge about the baby. You will hear so much conflicting advice from the day your baby is born...best thing is to go with your gut instinct. I know many babies who were weaned at 4 or 5 months of age and who are perfectly healthy and happy children or adults now :)

I disagree with this. I believe in "mom knows best" in a lot of circumstances but in situations like this, mom's instincts can't know when her child's gut is closed, or why that's even important if they're not knowledgeable on the science behind weaning.

I think the best thing to do is follow guidelines whenever possible. They're there for a reason, and they're backed by science and years of medical research. I still don't understand why people put more faith in Aunt Joan than they do in science.
 
I am huge believer in mums instincts but that doesnt work in this instance. Just because a baby is advanced in other ways doesnt mean their gut is.

Sometimes it seems like early weaning i just another way of mums showing off and saying "look how far ahead my baby is"
 
Not all medical professionals recommend waiting until six months either.
 
Not all medical professionals recommend waiting until six months either.

I'm aware. My pedi told me to start my then 4 month old on solids twice a day. I didn't, because my pedi is 12 years behind on current guidelines. She also told me at her 6 month visit that I need to give her juice every day. Doctors can be old fashioned and stuck in their ways. I still choose current guidelines over anything else, even a well meaning doctor if I know she's wrong, when it comes to something like this.
 

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