American ladies.. who do you think will win the election?

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The NHS is not a free a service. It is a service which was designed to be free at the point of use which is very different. It is not free as we pay through it via taxation.

Lets not nit-pick, the service is free to use on a day to day basis, we dont go the hospital and pay for treatment. Of course it is funded somewhere (via taxation). The point I was making is that it is very different from private health care where you pay your insurance premiums etc.

I am not nit-picking thanks. People say free as if it costs people nothing and people outside the UK often talk about FREE healthcare in the UK when it isn't. As this is a thread where people are talking about different healthcare systems in different countries I do believe that it is worth clarifying how the NHS runs. Being free at the point of use was one of the founding principles of the NHS so is very important.

I thought it would be perfectly clear that the service is of course funded somewhere. The service is free on a day to day basis...we don't receive a bill after having treatment for anything or have to pay a monthly contribution towards healthcare. The taxes we pay go towards the NHS and many other things that we all take advantage of in this country. So yes, taxes fund the NHS (otherwise doctors and nurse and other staff wouldn't get paid, we wouldnt have hospitals and we wouldnt have any resources). Americans pay taxes but still have to pay for health care. That is the difference. That is why our service is seen as free to use.
 
I think it's offensive to say that people come on here sleep deprived. That's just a major insult to our intelligence.
 
LO has NEVER made me sleep deprived to the point that I could make ugly and completely IGNORANT stereotypes of large groups of people.
 
It is an entitlement era. No one wants to work hard anymore and no one wants to start from the bottom and work thier way up.
As an example- I work for an air conditioning company. We have been trying to hire a service technician for months with no luck. The few people that do apply are 45+. It is nearly impossible to find young guys who want to do physical labor. They would prefer to live off the government then to work hard. What happens in 15- 20 years when there is no one left doing physical labor jobs. When you can't find an ac guy, a plumber, an electrician?

That really is putting everyone in the same boat isnt it? My husband is a trained joiner, it means he can make things from hand like tables, kitchens etc, it is very physical and he is 29 but has been doing that work until since he was 17. He lost one of his jobs (cabinet maker) when our son was in hospital with menigitus so he went and worked in a care home, that is so far removed for what he is use to but he didnt care. He got back into the wood trade and then our daughter died, he had a break down and there was no support avaliable so he lost his job he went and worked in a store that sells bicycles and also motor parts, he got back into kitchen fitting and then our other daughter died, he missed too much time off work (they were only allowing him his holiday leave) and so he lost his job, he searched for a while and got a job in a hardware store. The other day he manually moved 1.5 ton (obviously bit by bit) of cement mix on his own. He isnt 45+ but he will do anything to provide for his family, so it is really unfair that you lump everyone in together. Yes there are the MINORITY who feel they are entitled but there are the majority of hardworking, do anything to support themselves and their family type of people.
 
The point is government never is effective as the private sector. What a waste government is when they try to control equal distribution. Who gets the privileges? Of course the government will protect their incomes. The liberals want government to make all our decisions. Let Obama and the liberals decide for us and it will take away whatever motivation we have away from us. Why work and try to get ahead when it will be given to people who feel they are in titled to have the same benefits as we do without doing anything. I believe in helping the less fortunate, but you know there are people that don't even try. Look at the ones who get government benefits to feed their children and instead let there kids go hungry to by drugs for themselves. Who is monitoring this? The government? How effective has that been? If we follow Obama, we will be stupid lemmings!

Sounds like you already are. You are willing to give up women's rights and freedoms and be ruled by another puppet (just like Bush) you ladies haven't had enough taken away from you yet.

Please tell me what level of education and grade you made? For some reason the writing of Tri/Whit and the other ladies who seem to be fluent in economics and the real world also seem to have agood grasp of the english language. Which really helps lead me to believe that it's the downfall of the education system and religious uprisings (and unstandardized) home schooling that has led women to undo everything their mothers, grandmothers and great grandmothers fought for-to give up your rights. You write about the Republican campaign without backing the claims and at the same time making big ugly generalisations. Have you read the Economist lately? No, I didn't think so.

If Romney gets in he's going to dumb the eduction system down so much it will truly be a country of extremists. It's a tried & true method of controling the masses while corporatists, the private school-educated higher society (that you've likely never chummed with) will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Well I don't know if you're referring to me since I'm rooting for Romney, but I was private school educated and then attended one of the most prestigious universities in California. I work in the pharmaceutical industry as a Microbiologist.

Once again, I will state that feeling like government should have less of a role in business and the economy does not make you an idiot or a horrible person. It just defines your political party. To be honest, I totally agree with Romney that the states need to have more of a say and decide what works best for them. That is how the government was created to run. Every state is so unique and has individual needs, so why try to make one big system that has to now squeeze into everybody's mold? I 100% believe that we need a welfare system for those who need it. HOWEVER, I don't think it should be a "federal" system. Texas will have different needs then California and New York. Why not let each state work together and determine what they need to best take care of their people.

It seems a lot of the people commenting on here are from outside the US. I'll say upfront that it's been very educational and enlightening to read everybody's opinion. However, my guess is that most people who are not US citizens are not going to have an "in depth" knowledge of American History. I'm certainly not saying everybody, just the majority I'm guessing. The US was created to be exactly that...individual states that are united by a federal government but still able to run and function within their own governments as well. It seems we've lost so much of this vision the bigger and bigger the federal government grows. I don't see how it makes me a bad person to think that welfare belongs to each state's government's agenda and not the federal government?

Edit to add: It seems fair to keep in mind that probably a lot of us are coming on here at night, sleep deprived from taking care of LO's, while nursing etc etc and certainly won't be typing with the accuracy and mental clarity as if we we're doing a work or school assignment. It's probably not fair to judge a person's educational status or intellectual ability by what they're typing on a forum like this. This is forum is just for fun and to connect with other Moms ( for me at least anyways) and I'm definitely not going to be editing my statements I make on here (unless it's to add something I forgot of course)

First of all, I don't think her post was addressing you as much as the hate-filled posts of the previous pages. Have you read them? Secondly, I'm truly curious as to how you feel the Republican Party's stance on women's rights will better our country?. It's a package deal, after all.
 
What is honestly making me puzzled is that I heard hardly a single good thing about the NHS during all the pregnancy forums, and yet people seem confused why I'm passionate about wanting to keep my own Dr? I couldn't scroll down two threads without somebody complaining about this, that or the other thing. A lot of the threads seemed to be addressing a person's feeling's of lack of care or even more upsetting lack of concern by the medical staff for something they were worried about. I'm not trying to bash anybody here, just stating factually what I read.

Honestly, that REALLY upsets me! You know what else upsets me? The fact that women are placed on wards after LO's arrival and their DH/SO etc is asked to go home. That boggles my mind. My husband didn't leave my side from the moment we stepped foot into the hospital ( except when he was running to the cafeteria to get me food!) and I have SUCH special memories that I will hold forever in my heart. He was there for every moment of DD's first night and first hours and I'm sorry but in my opinion you can't put a price on that.

There needs to be a healthcare system for those who can't afford it. I absolutely agree to this. That is one of the unalienable rights in my opinion because that is LIFE. However, why are we being forced to all go on the same healthcare plan? If I want to pay to have my own Dr. I should have that freedom. To me, I guess it's a little like saying " Well ,not everybody can afford steak so it would be best if we all ate tuna fish sandwiches every night".

Is the system right now flawed? Sure. What what in this life is perfect? Nothing. I think there is BEAUTY in a country that empowers people to get out there, do their research and find a provider that works well for them! I'm FOREVER grateful to my wonderful OB and put a lot of work into finding somebody that was going to be a great fit for our family. I worked HARD for that opportunity! ( We denied our free healthcare from the military)

I've had free healthcare and in my opinion it was awful, awful. I didn't know my Drs, I was just a number in the system, I didn't feel heard or cared about, I couldn't get appts when I needed, they were so bad at handling my miscarriages... I could really go on and on. I gladly pay my medical bills now knowing what I had before =(

I admit I have had awful, awful times with the NHS (both my girls have died from medical negligence) but that is about the individual doctors and not the system. At the same time I have had amazing care and one of my daughters would of died if it hadnt been for the care I received.

I agree about sending Dad's home, but we are learning and most new birthing centres have a bed for dad (or birthing partner) and they are encouraged to stay, some even have family rooms where your other children can come and stay. The NHS is not perfect but you can learn from our mistakes.

Do you know what I find sad? To have women in the recurrent miscarriage thread who's insurance doesnt cover fertility issues/recurrent miscarriage, they have had five, six, seven, eight or even more miscarriages. It destroys them and their mental health, sometimes their relationship with their partners and it can even affect friendships and relationships with their families, yet they cant afford the tests, tests that here we get after three miscarriages, tests that could make them an earth Mummy. That truly breaks my heart.
 
And my question wasn't meant to be condescending. I really am curious if women who vote Republican simply turn a blind eye to the misogyny and inequality of the party, or if they support the agenda. And if the latter, why?
 
Ok, well first of all about the sleep deprivation comment, I only meant that there is most likely going to be typos on this forum and that doesn't mean that some one is not intelligent or educated. Personally, I come on here a lot when I'm nursing DD and have some time to kill. She'll pop off or cry and I might get distracted and type something I normally wouldn't type if I was sitting in a library writing a paper. I don't see how that is insulting? It seems a lot of moms come in here while nursing or in the middle of the night when LO is unsettled (at least from what I've read) so it only makes sense to me that, in that state, no one is going to be in their best "grammar policing" frame of mind. Personally, it's 5AM here in California and I was up with DD for her first morning feed, I haven't had my coffee yet, am running on a few hours sleep, and am defnitely not functioning at "100%".
Secondly, about the women's right issues, am I correct to assume you mean access to abortions? I don't want to write anything if I'm going off a false assumption.
 
Ohhh, just heard along time Republican Colin Powell has voted Obama and fortunately this is a bit of a trend (no wonder!) https://www.republicansforobama.org/
Powell and 3/4 of 12 million Latino people and 95% of black people. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/barack-obama-gives-rival-mitt-romney-mountain-to-climb-for-hispanic-vote-8227318.html

No fear, Obama has won hands down.
 
Aside from the A-word (which we really can't discuss on here) I mean policies such as allowing companies to chose whether or not your insurance will cover contraception based on the higher-ups religious beliefs, as well as the potential repeal of the Lilly Ledbetter Act demanding equal pay for equal work. And that's before we delve into the personal beliefs many of the Republican representatives express regarding rape, sexual rights, inability to single-parent successfully, etc.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party's grasp on women's rights goes far beyond the pro-life/pro-choice debate.
 
The Republican's making comments about Rape are so out of touch with reality and women that it's unreal. I don't believe in abortion, for me. I also don't believe ANYONE should be able to tell a woman WHAT she can do with HER body.
 
The Republican's making comments about Rape are so out of touch with reality and women that it's unreal. I don't believe in abortion, for me. I also don't believe ANYONE should be able to tell a woman WHAT she can do with HER body.

Agree completely. Not to be crude, but for a party that wants to be so "hands off", they sure don't mind shoving their religious beliefs up a girl's lady bits!
 
Agreed, it's so offensive but it's just not on to vote in a religious party anyway...it won't happen, they are right wing extremists representing the minority. I hadn't googled much on the election today but after reading all the stuff I have today there's no doubt the democrats will win. Their senators have revealed too many scary things about themselves to be backed by most Americans! YAY!!!
 
The economy in Ohio is on the rise in the past few weeks and early voter turn out is on par with 2008. If Obama keeps his slight lead there, it's a done deal. Romney can't win without Ohio. Looks like he should have second guessed suggesting GM go bankrupt and rebuild after.
 
The electoral college has Obama up 271 to Romney's 191.
 
Check this out, his 'candy for everybody' comment made me lol. Got to love this guy, not a sour thing about him...unlike the other greasy slimer.
Trichick, Ohio's in da bag! (biiiig Hershey bars...rofl)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEEpVXspflM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
The Republican's making comments about Rape are so out of touch with reality and women that it's unreal. I don't believe in abortion, for me. I also don't believe ANYONE should be able to tell a woman WHAT she can do with HER body.

Here's how the authority responds to the disgusting Republican ideas about rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiNFhy7PIsQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Very uplifting, I want to cheer every time I hear the guy speak. Not a 'maverick', not a cowboy, not a Christian preacher, nope just a dignified, elegant professional kind of fellow. He speaks from the heart, not from scripts like Romney, Bush & Palin did.
 
Ohhh, just heard along time Republican Colin Powell has voted Obama and fortunately this is a bit of a trend (no wonder!) https://www.republicansforobama.org/
Powell and 3/4 of 12 million Latino people and 95% of black people. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/barack-obama-gives-rival-mitt-romney-mountain-to-climb-for-hispanic-vote-8227318.html

No fear, Obama has won hands down.

Um polls today show it's 50/50.

Obama makes me just cringe. Just like those of you who say that about Romney.
 
I mean policies such as allowing companies to chose whether or not your insurance will cover contraception based on the higher-ups religious beliefs.

A company should have the choice to allow their insurance to cover contraception. If you don't like their policies don't work for that company.
 
Ohhh, just heard along time Republican Colin Powell has voted Obama and fortunately this is a bit of a trend (no wonder!) https://www.republicansforobama.org/
Powell and 3/4 of 12 million Latino people and 95% of black people. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/barack-obama-gives-rival-mitt-romney-mountain-to-climb-for-hispanic-vote-8227318.html

No fear, Obama has won hands down.

Um polls today show it's 50/50.

That's bubbletalk! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-25/obama-leads-romney-in-nevada-ties-him-in-colorado-poll.html

I hate polls despite the lovely leads Obama has - see link, what I say isn't only based on opinion :winkwink:With all the garbage spewed and long term Republicans being offended and disenfranchised by the crude remarks, in my mind those crazy senators have given the election to Obama. You can't say things like that without even long term intelligent Republican people taking notice, this one's in the bag!
 
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