Benefit cuts in the UK seem to targeting families and the disabled?

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I am getting increasingly annoyed with the government penalising families and the disabled. We are currently expecting my first child, and I have a disability, so I feel we will be the hardest hit. My partner works every hour he can, he'll happily do well over 60 hours a week, but we're still on a fairly low income of around 20,000 a year, which when supporting a family isn't a great deal of money. Our rent and council tax alone cost us over half of his wage packet each month, and we only have a small two bedroom house, and that's without food bills, gas and electric bills, our water bill, our TV licence, our phone bills, our broadband, our home insurance, our car insurance (which as we're fairly young at 22 and 21 is absolutely extortionate) our car tax, our car finance and the cost of clothing. We manage, but we definitely live wage packet to wage packet.
I do get disability payments of around £50 per week, but I spend that on just food and toiletries, I really don't have any luxuries, I'm pregnant so I don't go out, smoke or drink or anything like that. Because of my disability and the fact I have a child on the way and live in a fairly small town, this makes it impossible for me to get a job. I'd need a job that can understand and accommodate a mental illness, as well as flexible hours and one that pays enough to cover childcare. In our current climate when jobs are few and far between, nobody is going to give me a job over an applicant that doesn't have a disability or a child. I have good GCSE's and an A level in Psychology, and I worked from 16 to around 19 before I became more ill, so I have at least 3 years work experience and still can't find any job, let alone one that is going to cater to all my needs.
They're now saying they're going to cut tax credits which once baby is born we would have been entitled to, and they're also cutting disability allowance and changing it to something completely different, and if I lose that money, we really will struggle. I also heard they're now saying, disabled or not, mother or not, if your partner doesn't earn enough to cover you for working 20 hours per week and their own wages at minimum wage, then you have to go to work. Erm, why? As I said, any wages I would get would have to go on childcare anyway, so why would I pay someone to raise my child when I can raise them myself? Why is it considered a job if I give them to somebody, but I'm considered some sort of drain on society if I want to look after my own baby?
I understand in families where neither parent work the government saying one of you should be at work, but if we'd be literally no better off working because any earnings I'd have would just go on childcare, and I want to raise my baby, why can't I? My long term plan was to do a part time degree so I can raise my child and better myself, and then when baby is at school, I will have hopefully relevant skills to get a job that pays enough to pay childcare and travel to work and we'd be better off with us both working, but if they're saying that I have to go work, then I won't be able to do this will I??

Sorry for the super long post, I'm just getting really, really worried about how we'll cope if they cut money that we previously relied on, like my disability benefit, maybe I have it all wrong? I hope I do but from what I can gather it's low income families and the disabled that get the raw deal. I'm so sick of people saying that 'we're all in this together' when that really doesn't seem the case to me. I hear so much about the deficit and how the country is in such a terrible state with debt, but surely if they cut all this money, there will be less spending to stimulate the economy, and more people becoming homeless because people just won't be able to afford to live which will make the country worse??

I'm hoping that someone will tell me I have it all wrong, and as our family pay our taxes we'll still be entitled to a little help, or they at least won't make it ten times harder for us?? How can this be right??
 
Firstly I think these changes are always off, your child will be born soon and a lot can change by 2017 when they are meant to fully change, you should still fall into this old system so shouldn't be affected for awhile.

As for charging disability, it's a good thing, my mum is disabled and I know how much she needs that money, my mum is crippled, in constant pain and terminal, she wouldn't be able to have a job ever, and I know she worried but I imagine people like her who have no hope of improvement, cure or treatment will continue to receive the full support she needs.

But a lot of people have disability who don't need it, I know a lot, plus, there are lots of people who need it and get it but not for a life time, diseases can be cured, treatments given, etc, mental health is a good example of things that can be controlled and I am guessing have improved to some extent seen as you have got pregnant. I am not saying you don't need it,but I do think people need constant monitoring, I have suffered mental health issues, to the point I could have gone off on the sick but i got better, I have friends with life long mental health problems who at times need sickness payments but get get stable enough and do the work for periods.

We have three kids, the final two were twins which were a surprise, and part of me wants more but we can't afford it and we don't get benefits so wouldn't get anything extra for having kids. So we don't get pregnant or hubby looks for a better job.

The government are not targeting families, they are targeting benefits and a system of expecting the system to pay for life choices.

I am not saying saying this in reference to you, I am saying it in reference to the system.

To me this new system especially if the two child limit gets passed will make families look at their situation and ask, am I physically ready for a child? Am I financially ready for a child, if no then wait or improve your situation.

I do think some of this new system does seem odd, but I think there are creases to be ironed out yet.

I generally think tax credit wise you will be fine, and if it does change you will be supported to find work, and hopefully find a way to better manage your disease. The point is the system now is paying out billions which it can't afford it do, and it's not designed to make people homeless, it's designed to improve peoples circumstances, no money will be taken away if you comply with the "rules", which I would if, someone were giving me money for nothing, then I would be more than happy to comply with, if people don't want to comply then they will lose part or all of their benefits, which seems fair to me.

I dont think it's going to be as cut and dry as that and it won't expect you to work until your child is like 5, so a lot of time to prepare and stabilise your condiction.

Good luck Hun! X
 
I'm going to play devils advocate here....

From the governments perspective, why should they pay for you to stay at home, do a part time degree and raise your children? If that is your life choice you should be able to pay your own way doing it. If not, you need to work to pay your way.

Also from their perspective you don't NEED broadband, a car, a tv, phones, car on finance etc. these are your choices and your responsibility to pay, not theirs from benefits.

I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying the government are trying to completely shake up the mindset, benefit culture and work ethic of this country.

I've never received any benefits and I have to work to live - id love to stay at home to raise my lo and do a degree but we don't have the funds so I have to work.

As I said - devils advocate .....
 
I dont think it's going to be as cut and dry as that and it won't expect you to work until your child is like 5, so a lot of time to prepare and stabilise your condiction.

From what I read, if you are a parent expected to be working, then you are expected to work from when your child is 1.
 
I dont think it's going to be as cut and dry as that and it won't expect you to work until your child is like 5, so a lot of time to prepare and stabilise your condiction.

From what I read, if you are a parent expected to be working, then you are expected to work from when your child is 1.
From what I read on the other thread on the offcalmlinks, they talk about preparing for work In various stages but not actually actively seeking for until child is 5.
 
I'm going to play devils advocate here....

From the governments perspective, why should they pay for you to stay at home, do a part time degree and raise your children? If that is your life choice you should be able to pay your own way doing it. If not, you need to work to pay your way.

Also from their perspective you don't NEED broadband, a car, a tv, phones, car on finance etc. these are your choices and your responsibility to pay, not theirs from benefits.

I'm not saying I agree I'm just saying the government are trying to completely shake up the mindset, benefit culture and work ethic of this country.

I've never received any benefits and I have to work to live - id love to stay at home to raise my lo and do a degree but we don't have the funds so I have to work.

As I said - devils advocate .....

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I agree, I would love to be given the opportunity to get reduced child care costs that those in receipt of benefits get so I could work part time or study for a degree part time but I dontblet those options. I'm stuck struggling as a SAHM, in fact we are selling up and moving to try and improve things for us, which isn't easy.
 
I can't do a big quote on my phone lol but I think that while it doesn't go national until October 2017 for everybody, from October 2013, when it goes national for new claimants, if you have a change in your life (e.g new baby) you would be classed as a new claimant and go onto the new system. I'm very worried about it too for various reasons. I wish I had vocational qualifications so I could become self employed :( if I had the money I'd go back to college, get a skill and then start my own business. Rambling now though lol :/
 
It is a really hard one but I do have to agree with some of the posters above. I am not sure why the government should support/ pay for people to be SAHM or SAHD when many other people are not afforded the same opportunity. I took 3 years off work after E was born. I had several colleagues who were pg at the same time who returned to work at the end of their mat leave because they could not afford to be off any longer.

There is no way that the Government can afford to pay for 1 parent in family to be a SAHM and I am not sure that it is fair to say they will fund this for some, but not for others.
 
As far as I was aware, the government only LENDS money so you can do a degree, it's all student loans that are paid back with interest, and it's so I can actually find a job, which surely, as long as I'm gaining a skill to get me back into work and then I'll be paying back a loan with interest and my taxes, isn't that in the governments interest really? As I'll be paying back more money than I ever took out?
Second of all, I have bipolar disorder, by nature of this illness, I have phases of high mood, and phases of low mood, I am never exactly 'well'. It is managed by medication, which has side effects, that means I have to declare it which makes me less employable. Making out if I'm well enough to be pregnant I must be well enough to work isn't the same thing. Admittedly I will still need my carer to cope with things and it will probably be a lot tougher on me than a mother without mental illness, but surely having a mental illness doesn't mean I should never experience motherhood?
We can afford our child thank you, did I ever say we couldn't? I said we manage, but some help would be nice, and taking money off us would hurt us I won't lie.
I did not start this thread to be attacked, which I feel I have been a little, I started it because I am genuinely concerned about the changes that are being made and wasn't sure I understood them fully. We currently only claim disability allowance, which as I said, I use to pay for food, not luxuries. We don't claim anything else so our phones and car and rent are obviously paid for by my OH's wages. Besides, we need a car to get to work, we didn't have thousands lying around to buy a car brand new, so we had to have finance, we have to a phone so that we are contactable for work. So the only luxury we really pay for is our TV license. But like I said, WE pay for them, we don't expect the benefit system to pay for them.
However, I don't expect the government to continue to raise the cost of living and cut every but of help when the wages don't go up and they don't create more jobs for people. Like I say, I was genuinely worried about how the changes will effect me and my family, I wasn't looking to start a huge debate or be attacked.
 
As far as I was aware, the government only LENDS money so you can do a degree, it's all student loans that are paid back with interest, and it's so I can actually find a job, which surely, as long as I'm gaining a skill to get me back into work and then I'll be paying back a loan with interest and my taxes, isn't that in the governments interest really? As I'll be paying back more money than I ever took out?
Second of all, I have bipolar disorder, by nature of this illness, I have phases of high mood, and phases of low mood, I am never exactly 'well'. It is managed by medication, which has side effects, that means I have to declare it which makes me less employable. Making out if I'm well enough to be pregnant I must be well enough to work isn't the same thing. Admittedly I will still need my carer to cope with things and it will probably be a lot tougher on me than a mother without mental illness, but surely having a mental illness doesn't mean I should never experience motherhood?
We can afford our child thank you, did I ever say we couldn't? I said we manage, but some help would be nice, and taking money off us would hurt us I won't lie.
I did not start this thread to be attacked, which I feel I have been a little, I started it because I am genuinely concerned about the changes that are being made and wasn't sure I understood them fully. We currently only claim disability allowance, which as I said, I use to pay for food, not luxuries. We don't claim anything else so our phones and car and rent are obviously paid for by my OH's wages. Besides, we need a car to get to work, we didn't have thousands lying around to buy a car brand new, so we had to have finance, we have to a phone so that we are contactable for work. So the only luxury we really pay for is our TV license. But like I said, WE pay for them, we don't expect the benefit system to pay for them.
However, I don't expect the government to continue to raise the cost of living and cut every but of help when the wages don't go up and they don't create more jobs for people. Like I say, I was genuinely worried about how the changes will effect me and my family, I wasn't looking to start a huge debate or be attacked.

I don't think anyone has contributed to 'huge debate' or attacked you. I can see this is an issue that is close to your heart and one that is worrying you but I honestly don't think anyone has attacked you. As I said in my previous post, my comments were merely playing devils advocate and exploring the governments thoughts process not my own.

I got the impression you meant you were looking to be in receipt of benefits WHILST undertaking a degree. If you're simply looking to get a student loan to fund your degree then the changes won't impact on your decision will it? You'd be in the same position and it doesn't really have anything to do with the government as you'll be self funded.

They are looking to get mothers back into work after 1 yr but I was under the impression education was acceptable and it sounds like you're not claiming jsa anyway so it wouldn't get taken off you. Maybe just look into what they are doing with the disability aspect of the new universal benefit.
 
As far as I was aware, the government only LENDS money so you can do a degree, it's all student loans that are paid back with interest, and it's so I can actually find a job, which surely, as long as I'm gaining a skill to get me back into work and then I'll be paying back a loan with interest and my taxes, isn't that in the governments interest really? As I'll be paying back more money than I ever took out?
Second of all, I have bipolar disorder, by nature of this illness, I have phases of high mood, and phases of low mood, I am never exactly 'well'. It is managed by medication, which has side effects, that means I have to declare it which makes me less employable. Making out if I'm well enough to be pregnant I must be well enough to work isn't the same thing. Admittedly I will still need my carer to cope with things and it will probably be a lot tougher on me than a mother without mental illness, but surely having a mental illness doesn't mean I should never experience motherhood?
We can afford our child thank you, did I ever say we couldn't? I said we manage, but some help would be nice, and taking money off us would hurt us I won't lie.
I did not start this thread to be attacked, which I feel I have been a little, I started it because I am genuinely concerned about the changes that are being made and wasn't sure I understood them fully. We currently only claim disability allowance, which as I said, I use to pay for food, not luxuries. We don't claim anything else so our phones and car and rent are obviously paid for by my OH's wages. Besides, we need a car to get to work, we didn't have thousands lying around to buy a car brand new, so we had to have finance, we have to a phone so that we are contactable for work. So the only luxury we really pay for is our TV license. But like I said, WE pay for them, we don't expect the benefit system to pay for them.
However, I don't expect the government to continue to raise the cost of living and cut every but of help when the wages don't go up and they don't create more jobs for people. Like I say, I was genuinely worried about how the changes will effect me and my family, I wasn't looking to start a huge debate or be attacked.

I don't think anyone has contributed to 'huge debate' or attacked you. I can see this is an issue that is close to your heart and one that is worrying you but I honestly don't think anyone has attacked you. As I said in my previous post, my comments were merely playing devils advocate and exploring the governments thoughts process not my own.

I got the impression you meant you were looking to be in receipt of benefits WHILST undertaking a degree. If you're simply looking to get a student loan to fund your degree then the changes won't impact on your decision will it? You'd be in the same position and it doesn't really have anything to do with the government as you'll be self funded.

They are looking to get mothers back into work after 1 yr but I was under the impression education was acceptable and it sounds like you're not claiming jsa anyway so it wouldn't get taken off you. Maybe just look into what they are doing with the disability aspect of the new universal benefit.

I think I just got a little hormonal :blush: I just felt a little like I wished I hadn't said anything as it felt like rather than anyone telling me if I'm correct with how the changes are going to be, I did get jumped on a little. Students aren't entitled to any benefits anyway as far as I was aware? So I wasn't looking to be in receipt of benefits to help me study, I just don't want our family to be worse off as a result of the changes.
 
I didn't imply you were well enough to work, I simply said that there must have been improvement in your condition if you have chosen to be pregnant, perhaps I am just projecting myself in that case as I with my depression I make sure I was ready before having a baby, I realise bi polar isn't the same thing, as I assay perhaps I was just projecting.

From how I'm understand things going to uni would be fine under the scheme.

I didnt say you couldn't afford your child, I said that the changes are meant to make people think about if they can afford a child and I made it clear I wasn't talking about you that i was referring to the benefit.
 
To just add I think they whole system is flawed everyone should be paid above what is considered a living wage, then tax credits can be scrapped and people can decide them selves to both work or stay home.
 
In the meantime major multinational corporations pay little to no tax. So, instead of tightening loopholes that enable this they target the poorest to make the change.
 
As far as I was aware, the government only LENDS money so you can do a degree, it's all student loans that are paid back with interest, and it's so I can actually find a job, which surely, as long as I'm gaining a skill to get me back into work and then I'll be paying back a loan with interest and my taxes, isn't that in the governments interest really? As I'll be paying back more money than I ever took out?
Second of all, I have bipolar disorder, by nature of this illness, I have phases of high mood, and phases of low mood, I am never exactly 'well'. It is managed by medication, which has side effects, that means I have to declare it which makes me less employable. Making out if I'm well enough to be pregnant I must be well enough to work isn't the same thing. Admittedly I will still need my carer to cope with things and it will probably be a lot tougher on me than a mother without mental illness, but surely having a mental illness doesn't mean I should never experience motherhood?
We can afford our child thank you, did I ever say we couldn't? I said we manage, but some help would be nice, and taking money off us would hurt us I won't lie.
I did not start this thread to be attacked, which I feel I have been a little, I started it because I am genuinely concerned about the changes that are being made and wasn't sure I understood them fully. We currently only claim disability allowance, which as I said, I use to pay for food, not luxuries. We don't claim anything else so our phones and car and rent are obviously paid for by my OH's wages. Besides, we need a car to get to work, we didn't have thousands lying around to buy a car brand new, so we had to have finance, we have to a phone so that we are contactable for work. So the only luxury we really pay for is our TV license. But like I said, WE pay for them, we don't expect the benefit system to pay for them.
However, I don't expect the government to continue to raise the cost of living and cut every but of help when the wages don't go up and they don't create more jobs for people. Like I say, I was genuinely worried about how the changes will effect me and my family, I wasn't looking to start a huge debate or be attacked.

I don't think anyone has contributed to 'huge debate' or attacked you. I can see this is an issue that is close to your heart and one that is worrying you but I honestly don't think anyone has attacked you. As I said in my previous post, my comments were merely playing devils advocate and exploring the governments thoughts process not my own.

I got the impression you meant you were looking to be in receipt of benefits WHILST undertaking a degree. If you're simply looking to get a student loan to fund your degree then the changes won't impact on your decision will it? You'd be in the same position and it doesn't really have anything to do with the government as you'll be self funded.

They are looking to get mothers back into work after 1 yr but I was under the impression education was acceptable and it sounds like you're not claiming jsa anyway so it wouldn't get taken off you. Maybe just look into what they are doing with the disability aspect of the new universal benefit.

I think I just got a little hormonal :blush: I just felt a little like I wished I hadn't said anything as it felt like rather than anyone telling me if I'm correct with how the changes are going to be, I did get jumped on a little. Students aren't entitled to any benefits anyway as far as I was aware? So I wasn't looking to be in receipt of benefits to help me study, I just don't want our family to be worse off as a result of the changes.



I just read this entire post, and I felt that you were jumped on too. I don't think any of the PP actually meant it to come off this way - but at the same time nobody can understand in your situation, or judge.

I'm a student, I am entitled to student loans, which I will pay back. If you need to talk, or need some help give me a shout. Students ARE entitled to some benefits if they have children - But only if they're deemed on low income. 20k a year wouldn't be classed as low income I think... Although if you're under 25 and un-married Student Finance class you as a lone parent. here if you need to talk to someone x
 
You say you want to do a degree to get a better job down the line? What will have changed so you'll be able to work then when you say you cant now?

This country definitely needed a shake up the benefit culture got way out of hand, but i hope those who need their benefits arnt too badly affected xx
 
I don't really understand why someone with a mental disability so severe it prevents them from working would be having a child?
 
Thank you so much ceejay123 :flower:

Well, not that I actually have to justify myself to you, but I intend on working in the field of psychology, so that my own experience with mental illness can be used to help others, I only got my diagnoses a year ago and I've been pregnant for much of that year, so I haven't been able to be managed with medication as well I could have been, as often finding the right medication and dosage takes time, so by the time I get my degree I hope to be well enough to work.
 
I don't really understand why someone with a mental disability so severe it prevents them from working would be having a child?

I've reported this and asked for the thread to be locked. I really don't see why I should keep justifying myself over and over, and I find this extremely hurtful. I will make a wonderful mother thank you, many women with bipolar raise children, I'm certainly not alone.
 
I don't really understand why someone with a mental disability so severe it prevents them from working would be having a child?

Benefit questions aside that is not a fair comment at all! Very uncalled for.
 
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