Breastfed baby risk investigated

[TashaAndBump]

You know what i dont think BF mummies should look at it in a bad way at all.

How many of us actually knew that this could happen and were completely aware of the risk and what could happen. Very few i imagine so it could well end up saving a baby from becoming seriously sick.

They wouldnt of done the study if there was no need for it, those things cost a lot of money its not something people do because they are bored lol

I'm not saying the study shouldn't go ahead, I think I said in my post above that it was a good thing to investigate it. However I do think it will cause unnecessary stress and worry for new breastfeeding mums. Mum's whose milk hasn't come in yet (perfectly normal for the first few days) may think "Oh my baby isn't getting enough milk she must be dehydrating - BETTER put her on formula then!" There's nothing wrong with formula but that would be a shame if the mother wanted to breastfeed and only quit because of this 'risk' that isn't very real at all it is that rare.

There is enough scare mongering about the way you feed your baby these days. No need to add to it, if you know what I mean.

 

[ryder]

I think there is nothing wrong with this study... soryy but there is way too much push from society to bf IMO...

And like wobbles said, it seems to be OK for people to constantly point out every con to formula feeding.. but as soon as someone points out a con or negative about bfing people get their tails in a ruffle. As good as bfing is, there ARE cons to it and people should accpt it annd get on with their lives.

See it here constantly... alot of disrespect from bfing moms to ffing moms.

 

[Zarababy1]

its rubbishh charlie did suffer slightly from dehydration once when he was ill AFTER id switched him from breast to bottle at about 5 months, to be fair i think if i was BF it would never have happend! i felt bad but then relised it wasnt my fault he just wouldnt drink enuff fluids!

 

[TashaAndBump]

So many cons of bottle feeding *push push push* and when one study about a possible con of breast feeding comes up WHOOPS lol ...sorry

You know this does happen ...'Tam' breastfed her first and was told to stop baby was dehydrating and starving! I think its good to be made 'aware' of possibilities and definately no need for this topic to go all pro this and that before it does

A lot of the time health visitors tell people to stop breastfeeding because baby is 'not getting enough milk' when the reality is that they just haven't brought the milk in yet. I am not saying that this was the case with Tam, but too often this happens and mum's are put off from breastfeeding when they WANT to. I think with all this hype going on about something that rarely happens (and it's not just a con of breastfeeding - it can happen to bottle fed babies too) and blaming it on breastfeeding is just unfair.

As the professor said, "The answer isn't more formula feeding but increased support for breastfeeding". I think this study should go ahead. But I don't think the pro-bottle press should twist it and turn it to scare breastfeeding mums into bottle feeding.

You say that bottle feeding is pushed onto you. You have never breastfed. You do not know how much pressure is put onto us (breastfeeding mums) and you don't see how bottlefeeding can be pushed on to us.

This is not an anti-bottle or pro-breast speech before anything is said by anyone. As I should hope people would know by now I am neutral on breast vs bottle - have the stance of do what you like.

But it gets right on my tits when people fight for bottle feeders rights then trample over breast feeders rights (not talking about this forum but people I know in real life) and then it pisses me off how one small thing like this and people jump all over it like it's a god-sent saviour to bottle feeders to say "ner ner ner ner - we were right bottle is best after all!"

Sorry I'm a bit heated on this after private discussions on msn about it so probs shouldn't have brought it onto this forum, but I'm worried people will look at this and think "oh better not breastfeed then" especially when they are in the early days and baby is still drawing milk in, which they probably don't know is normal (for the milk to take time to come in). It could make it all too easy to give up when they don't really want to.

And no one would dare to post up the articles and 'research' into the risks of bottle feeding for fear of sounding pro-breast and it's assumed everyone knows anyway. Well news flash it DOES happen sometimes that babies get sick because of formula relates issues just as some babies get dehydrated due to being breast fed but where do you stand with that (bottle feeding risks) where parents should be 'aware' of the possibilities?

 

[Serene123]

Breastfeeding, IMO, speaking from MY experience, is suggested but not pushed. I see the posters, I hear the "breast is best" but when I needed support, where were those breastfeeding "pushing" midwives? Well they were swanning around telling people to bottle feed! I needed help when I was starting out, I cried to my midwife about being depressed because I couldn't get her to feed properly, and do you know what she said "well not everyone's up to it." F*ck her, I was up to it! Look at how far I have come! They need to work on supporting people who WANT to breastfeed more, and giving up the un-convinced.

That said, this research is being put about the wrong way. It's nice the promote the risks, honestly, but they should do it in a "know the risks" kind of way, and not a "BREASTFEEDING WILL KILL YOUR BABY" kind of way, IYKWIM?

 

[Jo]

Wow I was really at that article, i think it could scare a lot of people i really do.
But I think it would scare if people have skimmed these articles and not read through properly, it does say it is a rarity but could be fatal, as a FF i always believed that BF babies couldn't get dehydrated as breast milk adjusts to babies need etc...

This is in no way a dig Tash so please take it the way it is meant, do you know of any of the risks of the top of your head that you have mentioned here?

And no one would dare to post up the articles and 'research' into the risks of bottle feeding for fear of sounding pro-breast and it's assumed everyone knows anyway. Well news flash it DOES happen sometimes that babies get sick because of formula relates issues just as some babies get dehydrated due to being breast fed but where do you stand with that (bottle feeding risks) where parents should be 'aware' of the possibilities

I do think that if a "complete no other way ever" Bfer posted the risks about FF and a "now way would i BF ever" posted risks about FF there probably would be a wooha

but if it was just posted as a "have you seen this" kind of thing i think it would be ok

Sorry probably rambled and not made much sense

 

[hypnorm]

i think it is good that the study has come up, when you are a new mum you are often not made aware of how often baby should be feeding. Ewan in the first week was jaundiced and slept ALOT this wasnt explained to me untill a week after his birth he had lost a LB in weight! i was then told to wake him every 2 - 3 hours to feed. He didnt have very wet nappies and didnt poo for 6 days.( when he did it was impressive!!) so i think that Ewan may have been slightly dehydrated without me knowing.
With Robyn the nappies are OBVIOUSLY wet you can't miss it.
So i think it is something to be AWARE of rather than worry about, if your baby is feeding often and content dont worry.

 

[ryder]

Its funny because alot of women who chose to ff claim the doctors/hospital push bfing on them... and bfing mums try to claim bottlefeeding was pushed.

The only thing I know for sure is that there are quite a few very pushy women on this board who get alot of jabs in about ff... my favorit is the claim that bf babies dont get sick as much, its a big load of crap... doesnt mtter what way you feed they can still get sick and I see just as many bf mums posting about colds and viruses.

Everyone is free to chose, but there are cons and realities of both methods of feeding. I dont think bringing them up is wrong. I personally think it would be better to know the cons before you chose... and each person can decide for themseves if it "scares them away".

 

[polo_princess]

So i think it is something to be AWARE of rather than worry about, if your baby is feeding often and content dont worry.

That was the point i was trying to get across lol

 

[Serene123]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

 

[TashaAndBump]

This is in no way a dig Tash so please take it the way it is meant, do you know of any of the risks of the top of your head that you have mentioned here?

And no one would dare to post up the articles and 'research' into the risks of bottle feeding for fear of sounding pro-breast and it's assumed everyone knows anyway. Well news flash it DOES happen sometimes that babies get sick because of formula relates issues just as some babies get dehydrated due to being breast fed but where do you stand with that (bottle feeding risks) where parents should be 'aware' of the possibilities

Sorry probably rambled and not made much sense

You did make sense don't worry I didn't take it as a dig. But can you honestly say that someone (a breastfeeder) could post up a "Hey have you seen this? Risks of bottlfeeding" thread without all the bottlfeeders jumping on her and saying she was trying to guilt the bottle feeders and being mightier-than-though or 'pro-this-and-that'?

I didn't understand your question (sorry half asleep - had a long day) about do I know the risks off the top of my head? Are you asking my what the 'risks' are of bottle feeding?

To be honest I do know them off the top of my head but I'd rather not list them here for the reasons outlines above. Sorry, but I have grown to try and be very careful with my words around here. People are very raw about this and it's easy to catch nerves. I don't want to upset any body or appear as if I am a member of the pro-breast brigade trying to push breast onto every body. As that honestly is not me at all.

 

[ryder]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

 

[Serene123]

Show me one example of where that's what I'm saying...

 

[TashaAndBump]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

We shouldn't "hide the realities"...

Why then, is it against the BnB rules to state that breast milk is generally better for babies than formula? That is factually true. It is reality, yet anyone brave enough to say so is condemned here.

Hmmm I've got a funny view on your idea of not hiding reality Ryder. Seems your idea would be censoring anything positive about breast, putting breastfeeders in a bad light, and claiming that bottle was sent down from heaven to save people from having to breastfeed, which is clearly inferior.

Nevermind, I'm just fed up - sick to my stomach of having to walk on egg shells to protect the feelings of bottlfeeders, while they walk all over mine and label us as bullies when I've never seen anything but the opposite - EVERYWHERE I go.

I've just had enough

 

[ryder]

The reality that its possible for a bf baby to become dehydrated... the point of this thread... I agree with hypnorms answer to that.

 

[polo_princess]

Ok girls calm down this topic wasnt intended to be a BF/FF debate/arguement it was to discuss the article in the OP

 

[TashaAndBump]

Sorry. I'll be good.

I've had a rough day and shouldn't take it out on any one here so sorry.

 

[Jo]

This is in no way a dig Tash so please take it the way it is meant, do you know of any of the risks of the top of your head that you have mentioned here?

And no one would dare to post up the articles and 'research' into the risks of bottle feeding for fear of sounding pro-breast and it's assumed everyone knows anyway. Well news flash it DOES happen sometimes that babies get sick because of formula relates issues just as some babies get dehydrated due to being breast fed but where do you stand with that (bottle feeding risks) where parents should be 'aware' of the possibilities

Sorry probably rambled and not made much sense

You did make sense don't worry I didn't take it as a dig. But can you honestly say that someone (a breast feeder) could post up a "Hey have you seen this? Risks of bottlfeeding" thread without all the bottlfeeders jumping on her and saying she was trying to guilt the bottle feeders and being mightier-than-though or 'pro-this-and-that'?

I didn't understand your question (sorry half asleep - had a long day) about do I know the risks off the top of my head? Are you asking my what the 'risks' are of bottle feeding?

To be honest I do know them off the top of my head but I'd rather not list them here for the reasons outlines above. Sorry, but I have grown to try and be very careful with my words around here. People are very raw about this and it's easy to catch nerves. I don't want to upset any body or appear as if I am a member of the pro-breast brigade trying to push breast onto every body. As that honestly is not me at all.

The bit I have bolded in blue, thats kind of what I was trying to say, sorry I have a headache so am a bit rambly
That is exactly what would happen I think if it was a die hard Bfer Or vice versa, see me as a formula feeder( well long time ago LOL) I am interested in Bfing issues, I just don't like being told I was wrong.thats when i kind of sit up straight LOL.

I was asking you of the risks but i do understand why you don't want to put them on here, ya see when Emily was born i wasn't aware of any risks really and TBH I still aren't so I was just genuinely interested
i knew about maybe risk of asthma and eczema but that is about it

 

[Pyrrhic]

I have never understood why there seems to be a rift between FFers and BFers (not just on BnB, but in general) All anyone is doing as a Mum is trying to do the best for their child, and for them and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Formula or Breast, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. We're all just trying to provide for our babies.

 

[ryder]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

We shouldn't "hide the realities"...

Why then, is it against the BnB rules to state that breast milk is generally better for babies than formula? That is factually true. It is reality, yet anyone brave enough to say so is condemned here.

Hmmm I've got a funny view on your idea of not hiding reality Ryder. Seems your idea would be censoring anything positive about breast, putting breastfeeders in a bad light, and claiming that bottle was sent down from heaven to save people from having to breastfeed, which is clearly inferior.

Nevermind, I'm just fed up - sick to my stomach of having to walk on egg shells to protect the feelings of bottlfeeders, while they walk all over mine and label us as bullies when I've never seen anything but the opposite - EVERYWHERE I go.

I've just had enough

Because breading isn't always better... for lots of reasons... emotionally and for other reasons... whats best for baby is a happy mom.

When bfers say.. well bfing is healthier and I have a better bond with my baby etc... it offends ffers...

I tried to bf and honestly it was the most horrible experience of having my baby. I hated it, the pressure from people, the pain, her screaming constantly. Being that miserable and tired is what can lead to PND.

I have been pretty supportive of many peoples choice to bf on here.. so sorry, your totally wrong in claiming that I make breastfeeders feel inferior etc...