Breastfed baby risk investigated

[Serene123]

The reality that its possible for a bf baby to become dehydrated... the point of this thread... I agree with hypnorms answer to that.

I didn't say that isn't the reality. If you read my post a couple of pages back, I think this is good. It should be portrayed as a "this is a risk" not a "your baby will die if you breastfeed" kind of thing.

I notice you can't pick out where I did say that they shouldn't be told this? And if you're going to say mums on here dig, you should stop digging at people too.

 

[nikky0907]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

We shouldn't "hide the realities"...

Why then, is it against the BnB rules to state that breast milk is generally better for babies than formula? That is factually true. It is reality, yet anyone brave enough to say so is condemned here.

Hmmm I've got a funny view on your idea of not hiding reality Ryder. Seems your idea would be censoring anything positive about breast, putting breastfeeders in a bad light, and claiming that bottle was sent down from heaven to save people from having to breastfeed, which is clearly inferior.

Nevermind, I'm just fed up - sick to my stomach of having to walk on egg shells to protect the feelings of bottlfeeders, while they walk all over mine and label us as bullies when I've never seen anything but the opposite - EVERYWHERE I go.

I've just had enough

Tasha hun, calm down


BnB rules state that a mothers choice on how to feed her child must be respected. This goes for both choices, bottlefeeding and breastfeeding.

The way I saw this article was in the same way some might post a research about a certain brand of formula being faulty, or a certain formula company being unsafe.
Just a precausion. Yes, it may be presented as a BF 'con' but in reality we are all knowledgable women, most of having done a lot of research on it, whatever pregnancy magazine or book you open there's a topic on this so we are all aware of the 'pros' and 'cons'.
I see this as nothing different...

 

[ryder]

The reality that its possible for a bf baby to become dehydrated... the point of this thread... I agree with hypnorms answer to that.

I didn't say that isn't the reality. If you read my post a couple of pages back, I think this is good. It should be portrayed as a "this is a risk" not a "your baby will die if you breastfeed" kind of thing.

I notice you can't pick out where I did say that they shouldn't be told this? And if you're going to say mums on here dig, you should stop digging at people too.

Ohhh whatever Toria. I notice you only like to hear what you want to hear.

 

[TashaAndBump]

This is in no way a dig Tash so please take it the way it is meant, do you know of any of the risks of the top of your head that you have mentioned here?

And no one would dare to post up the articles and 'research' into the risks of bottle feeding for fear of sounding pro-breast and it's assumed everyone knows anyway. Well news flash it DOES happen sometimes that babies get sick because of formula relates issues just as some babies get dehydrated due to being breast fed but where do you stand with that (bottle feeding risks) where parents should be 'aware' of the possibilities

Sorry probably rambled and not made much sense

You did make sense don't worry I didn't take it as a dig. But can you honestly say that someone (a breast feeder) could post up a "Hey have you seen this? Risks of bottlfeeding" thread without all the bottlfeeders jumping on her and saying she was trying to guilt the bottle feeders and being mightier-than-though or 'pro-this-and-that'?

I didn't understand your question (sorry half asleep - had a long day) about do I know the risks off the top of my head? Are you asking my what the 'risks' are of bottle feeding?

To be honest I do know them off the top of my head but I'd rather not list them here for the reasons outlines above. Sorry, but I have grown to try and be very careful with my words around here. People are very raw about this and it's easy to catch nerves. I don't want to upset any body or appear as if I am a member of the pro-breast brigade trying to push breast onto every body. As that honestly is not me at all.

The bit I have bolded in blue, thats kind of what I was trying to say, sorry I have a headache so am a bit rambly
That is exactly what would happen I think if it was a die hard Bfer Or vice versa, see me as a formula feeder( well long time ago LOL) I am interested in Bfing issues, I just don't like being told I was wrong.thats when i kind of sit up straight LOL.

I was asking you of the risks but i do understand why you don't want to put them on here, ya see when Emily was born i wasn't aware of any risks really and TBH I still aren't so I was just genuinely interested
i knew about maybe risk of asthma and eczema but that is about it

You weren't wrong and you know you werent Bottlefeeding is just as valid a choice of feeding as breast so no one should try to tell you you were wrong I would get my back up to, as I do when people try to have a dig at breastfeeding (which they DO before anyone says anything). I think someone on here recently even said it was disgusting even?

I just think it would be nice if everyone could leave every one else along to get on with it. But i don't think that will ever realistically happen which is sad.

If you like I will PM you with the 'risks' of both though I am sure you can find it on google if you are that interested But I am glad you understand why I won't post them here and if it is just for you to know if you made a mistake I won't waste my time - your kids grew up strong and healthy - you know you did everything right. x

 

[Serene123]

That isn't the case. I don't like you implying that I mean things I don't. I also don't like the way you speak to me. Perhaps it is the way I read things, but so be it. I've had enough of it.

 

[clairebear]

i don't understand why it has turn't into a bf and ff argument.

 

[ryder]

Dont read my posts to you then... simple as that. Ignor it and move on.

 

[TashaAndBump]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

We shouldn't "hide the realities"...

Why then, is it against the BnB rules to state that breast milk is generally better for babies than formula? That is factually true. It is reality, yet anyone brave enough to say so is condemned here.

Hmmm I've got a funny view on your idea of not hiding reality Ryder. Seems your idea would be censoring anything positive about breast, putting breastfeeders in a bad light, and claiming that bottle was sent down from heaven to save people from having to breastfeed, which is clearly inferior.

Nevermind, I'm just fed up - sick to my stomach of having to walk on egg shells to protect the feelings of bottlfeeders, while they walk all over mine and label us as bullies when I've never seen anything but the opposite - EVERYWHERE I go.

I've just had enough

Tasha hun, calm down


BnB rules state that a mothers choice on how to feed her child must be respected. This goes for both choices, bottlefeeding and breastfeeding.

Sorry, I find a lot of swing sometimes for the respecting bottlefeeders choices being protected and breastfeeders being ignored but that's not on here so I shouldn't bring it into this. I struggled in real life to defend my right to breastfeed, right from the begining with the consultant telling me to give her formula through her feeding tube instead of what I expressed because it had vitamin k in, to my in laws realling off 1001 reasons to bottlefeed, and it pisses me off when I have so much to contend with about my choices when all I see is "breastfeeders push push push" blah blah blah (not referring to this thread) when all I see is it's the other way around. But like I say I shouldn't bring my own life into this.

I apologise again, I hope people will accept it.

 

[alio]

I have never understood why there seems to be a rift between FFers and BFers (not just on BnB, but in general) All anyone is doing as a Mum is trying to do the best for their child, and for them and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Formula or Breast, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. We're all just trying to provide for our babies.

Absolutely!! Here here. I am a formula feeding mummy and proud, just as all my breastfeeding mummy friends should be too.... We are all providing nutrition for our babies! Isn't that what it comes down to?

This report pisses me off. I am SO sick of 'studies' and 'professionals' dropping in their 2 penneth all the bloody time. We were mums before there were reports. It's fine for making people aware but to scare mums off whatever their choice is to be is wrong.

I think it's good that Orange Sox posted this. Interesting debate and it just raises the fact that us Mums have far too much to worry about without these added annoyances!!! Mummies unite! And raise a finger to anyone who advises us to do anything other than our choice!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, 'get your bottles or boobies out ladies and feed those munchkins', surely we don't have any time to be getting involved in the moral high ground!!! xxx

 

[ryder]

I dont find that bottlefeeders are anymore protected... I havent seen anything negative said on this board said about bfing... show me one post where some has said to someonelse they shouldn't be bfing??? I doubt you can find it...

Like I said, bfers get pissy if any reality of bfing is pointed out (ie the pain, issues with sleep etc)... but a bfer can sit there and say that a ff mum will never have as strong a bond and may become obese, or not be as smart as a bfing baby etc...

 

[Jo]

I just think it would be nice if everyone could leave every one else along to get on with it. But i don't think that will ever realistically happen which is sad.

If you like I will PM you with the 'risks' of both though I am sure you can find it on google if you are that interested But I am glad you understand why I won't post them here and if it is just for you to know if you made a mistake I won't waste my time - your kids grew up strong and healthy - you know you did everything right. x

Snipped as was getting a bit long LOL

Thanks Tasha, I think i will google it when i am in a more alert state of mind , I don't want you spending ages and ages typing it out just for me

You are right my kids are strong and healthy and at the end of the day that is all that matter IMO, milk feeds are such a tiny part of bringing up children in the grand scheme of thing aren't they?

It is sad we can't accept feeding choices and that isn't even what this thread was about, for goodness sake it's not like we are giving them vodka

Logging off now this thread has made my head hurt

 

[nikky0907]

But it shouldn't scare them away? That's not really fair is it. This shouldn't be a thing to be feared, but to be acknowledged. Why would you think it's alright for someone to be scared away from their choice of feeding?

Why should people hide the realities? Thats not really fair to anyone either.

We shouldn't "hide the realities"...

Why then, is it against the BnB rules to state that breast milk is generally better for babies than formula? That is factually true. It is reality, yet anyone brave enough to say so is condemned here.

Hmmm I've got a funny view on your idea of not hiding reality Ryder. Seems your idea would be censoring anything positive about breast, putting breastfeeders in a bad light, and claiming that bottle was sent down from heaven to save people from having to breastfeed, which is clearly inferior.

Nevermind, I'm just fed up - sick to my stomach of having to walk on egg shells to protect the feelings of bottlfeeders, while they walk all over mine and label us as bullies when I've never seen anything but the opposite - EVERYWHERE I go.

I've just had enough

Tasha hun, calm down


BnB rules state that a mothers choice on how to feed her child must be respected. This goes for both choices, bottlefeeding and breastfeeding.

Sorry, I find a lot of swing sometimes for the respecting bottlefeeders choices being protected and breastfeeders being ignored but that's not on here so I shouldn't bring it into this. I struggled in real life to defend my right to breastfeed, right from the begining with the consultant telling me to give her formula through her feeding tube instead of what I expressed because it had vitamin k in, to my in laws realling off 1001 reasons to bottlefeed, and pisses me off when I have so much to contend with about my choices when all I see is "breastfeeders push push push" blah blah blah (not referring to this thread) when all I see is it's the other way around. But like I say I shouldn't bring my own life into this.

I apologise again, I hope people will accept it.

Of course. I fully understand why it may be a hard topic for you... as I'm sure you'll understnad that us FFers had faced a lot of judgment. And I mean A LOT... and yes, some comments BFers make (unintentionally I mean ) can sting like hell.

But this wasn't mean to be a fight between the two sides.
The equality is very hard to acomplish in such a topic, we all try our best.



Ryder and Toria. there is an ignore user option here so you two can use it instead of arguing on public threads.

Kiss and make up all?

 

[masi]

I just knew this thread would descend into this, and i am 100% sure this is not what the OP intended when she did this thread.
I breastfeed. I don't care what anyone else does, because its not my business. BF babies can get dehydrated if they don't get enough milk. Very rare, but it does happen. If anyones worried about there babies milk intake, speak to a health professional, and in most cases you can be reassured.
I do think there is sometimes a bias towards protecting ffeeding mums feelings, at the expense of those who bfeed. It doesn't need to be a competition between both. Things can, sadly go wrong with either, so whatevers best for mum is best for baby.
I think its good this is brought to peoples attention, but not used as a deterrent.

 

[clairebear]

can i just say i have never judged or made a nasty confou about ff if you look back at my post i'm all for what is right for each individual mummy and baby x

 

[clairebear]

sorry if my last post makes no sense using mobile x lol

 

[ryder]

maybe i've missed it but i've never seen anyone tell anyone else that they shouldn't bf their baby.

 

[TashaAndBump]

Like I said, bfers get pissy if any reality of bfing is pointed out (ie the pain, issues with sleep etc)...

This bit here is just not true! I am open to the downsides of breastfeeding I have BEEN THERE and am more than happy to discuss!

I probably can't find a post where an FFer puts a BFerr down, no but I assure you it does happen and like I said that was not on this forum I was talking about but in REAL LIFE which is worse! At least i can close this forum down if someone turns to me and says the way I feed my child is disgusting or wrong

I can see where you're coming from but it's the whole attitude of "breastfeeders have it easy" or the idea we do all the judging and never get judged that's just not true and it makes me want to cry because I have been judged so much for the choices I have made and no one acknowledges it.

I can see where you're coming from of course and I feel for FFers for the judgement they face because I have faced it too I know it is not nice. We could sit here all day and point things out but what would it achieve?

I am ready to 'kiss and make up' when you are. I am sorry for the things that I said that were out of turn. Thank you Nikky for understanding

 

[Chellebelle]

This study doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's just raising awareness and to be honest it's a good thing, as some people probably try and try to breastfeed when it is virtually impossible for them and wont give up because of all the pressure of how good it is for your baby etc. and it is those women who are most at risk... this may give them some fuel to fire back at all those people out there who push them to breastfeed when they are uncomfortable doing so. So I see this study as a positive thing.

I have breastfed from the start, and the midwives gave me enough support and encouragement to keep me going and I was very lucky to have no complications and my little man has put on plenty of weight - in fact he's becoming a little chubber so I am not worried or do not feel differently today than I did yesterday about how I feed my son... if anything, I will just take more care to make sure he fills up when he does feed.

I don't think any less of anyone for breastfeeding or bottlefeeding - but I don't know what this has to do with this thread anyway lol. The link is not knocking anyone... just informing us of a study.

 

[ryder]

Tasha, I have never thought bfers have it easy.. they dont and i've said many times my hats off to them for going through what they do... It just bothers me that since I dont bf any little thing thats said negative is taken way too hard.

Im happy I chose to stop bfing, but do you know how degrading it was in the beginning when people would ask if I was nursing... and I said, no im bottlefeeding? The look people give says it all.. on top of that my oh's mum and sister constantly hounded me about it.

 

[leeanne]

i think it is good that the study has come up, when you are a new mum you are often not made aware of how often baby should be feeding. Ewan in the first week was jaundiced and slept ALOT this wasnt explained to me untill a week after his birth he had lost a LB in weight! i was then told to wake him every 2 - 3 hours to feed. He didnt have very wet nappies and didnt poo for 6 days.( when he did it was impressive!!) so i think that Ewan may have been slightly dehydrated without me knowing.
With Robyn the nappies are OBVIOUSLY wet you can't miss it.
So i think it is something to be AWARE of rather than worry about, if your baby is feeding often and content dont worry.

I agree 100%. With Amanda, the public health nurse came around day 3 to my home. She asked how many diapers she goes through and, guess what, not as many as she should have been. I was then told to wake her every few hours.

First time moms often don't know what to look out for.