Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

I used a CBFM for ages and never never ovulated on the first peak....usually pm on the second or day after. Do you use OPKs in the PM...i wonder if you did get your LH surge beginning on the pm of CD9. Either way can you BD today? The egg knocks about for a bit...the month i got pregnant i BD once that month and it was after ovulation on CD15 in the morning and i used to ovulate CD13/14 so its not too late.

Of course, if you did have a bad night that is probably it....also what with this cold snap and central heating being on i wonder how accurate my temps are so that may have effected it.

I know what you mean about H&B....i was going to ask actually what brand of l-arginine you get DH taking as i need to get some more and had been using the H&B ones but think i will change them. I will try those new DHEA i have brought just because i cannot really justify buying a third lot. I found out about it this am as i was trying to get opionions on whether to use just DHEA or micronized DHEA and it just led me to that...

 

[Blythe]

sorry i re-read your post and chart and see you do OPK too...i see you did BD late last night which means if you did ovulate you probably did late last night so honestly if that was the case looks like PERFECT timing to me. I know it can take a few hours for sperm to get there sometime but it can get there quickly so if you have an egg that is just released then it all sounds good to me and if you ovulated early this am all the better.

 

[Briss]

thank you Blythe, we did BD this morning but with only 9 hours since the previous BD session I am not there was sufficient number of sperm there.

i used smilie face OPK in pm but I only did it on the day of peak, who knows it might have showed positive the day before if I tried. the reason i do OPK on top of CBFM is cos a few times i got positive the day after peak and O on the day of high after the second peak. but it was with two lines OPK, smilie face seems to work exactly like CBFM. and i only use 1-2 sticks per cycle cos they are so expensive

May be you are right and we should BD after O as well, cos we mostly stop any BD on the day of O.

I used to buy H&B's arginine for DH but it did not work, now I am buying higher nature's one and it can tell the difference. MY DH's sex drive is non existent but after he started taking higher nature's arginine I see far more action in the bedroom

 

[Blythe]

Couple of interesting links

https://www.yinyanghouse.com/

The other i cant copy but just stick in 'chi amazing footage' and you tube link should come up...its an indonesian guy quite cool!

 

[Briss]

Truly amazing person!

 

[Blythe]

Yeah its fascinating...experienced acupuncturists can direct chi as can martial artists. If you rub your hands together for a while and bring them together as if you are holding a ball in front Of you and you might feel some resistance...thats chi. I used to do qi gong and we would do that every session.

 

[Briss]

I might be coming down with something, have been sneezing all day, just checked my temperature and it's quite high no way I can pinpoint my O this cycle based on temp. I wonder if I should still do acu tomorrow?

How was your acu today?

 

[Blythe]

Acu was good....it felt really powerful. He used some different points which pleased me no end as he was using the same ones all the time but he said he wouldn't put any in tummy as he did not want to prolong bleeding. He out a couple in front thigh along stomach meridian and the top one hurt. I checked out the points when i came home and not sure why he used them. He only put them in one leg And i asked why and he said if he put them in both it would be too strong.

I really felt so relaxed and heavy and then really good when i came out. It was a great session all in all which is what i needed as i do struggle to justify the cost sometimes.

Sorry you are feeling unwell....personally i think the pre-ovulation sessions are most beneficial...when you have ovulated its time to rest and wrap up warm so i would be inclined to take a week off if you are feeling under the weather. Its far too cold out too!

 

[Briss]

FF put my O for CD 9 even before the peak this is just ridiculous!

Decided to skip my acu today, will not be getting my herbs as well for the whole week.

it's good that you are getting different points stimulating, I get the same points more or less every time. may be I am spotting for a few days after AF because I get needles in tummy during AF?

 

[Blythe]

FF put my O for CD 9 even before the peak this is just ridiculous!

Decided to skip my acu today, will not be getting my herbs as well for the whole week.

it's good that you are getting different points stimulating, I get the same points more or less every time. may be I am spotting for a few days after AF because I get needles in tummy during AF?

Quite possibly as i see you are spotting quite a bit...the acu draws blood directly to the area and doc says its the only time of the month he will avoid that area as he doesn't want me bleeding too much.

 

[Blythe]

FF put my O for CD 9 even before the peak this is just ridiculous!

Decided to skip my acu today, will not be getting my herbs as well for the whole week.

it's good that you are getting different points stimulating, I get the same points more or less every time. may be I am spotting for a few days after AF because I get needles in tummy during AF?

FF has put your ovulation down pre LH surge so i would ignore that for now...see how your temps are for next few days but i suspect CD 11....hope you are feeling a little better today

 

[Briss]

I started spotting after lap and well before I did acu but i was just hoping it can help. maybe if i did not have needles in my tummy during AF it would have helped, i will ask my acu doc next week.

 

[Briss]

FF put my O for CD 9 even before the peak this is just ridiculous!

Decided to skip my acu today, will not be getting my herbs as well for the whole week.

it's good that you are getting different points stimulating, I get the same points more or less every time. may be I am spotting for a few days after AF because I get needles in tummy during AF?

FF has put your ovulation down pre LH surge so i would ignore that for now...see how your temps are for next few days but i suspect CD 11....hope you are feeling a little better today

thanks I am also hoping for CD 11 but I think FF will probably put it for CD10 even my temp stays up. you are right i should wait a few days.

 

[alison29]

thank you Blythe, we did BD this morning but with only 9 hours since the previous BD session I am not there was sufficient number of sperm there.

i used smilie face OPK in pm but I only did it on the day of peak, who knows it might have showed positive the day before if I tried. the reason i do OPK on top of CBFM is cos a few times i got positive the day after peak and O on the day of high after the second peak. but it was with two lines OPK, smilie face seems to work exactly like CBFM. and i only use 1-2 sticks per cycle cos they are so expensive

May be you are right and we should BD after O as well, cos we mostly stop any BD on the day of O.

I used to buy H&B's arginine for DH but it did not work, now I am buying higher nature's one and it can tell the difference. MY DH's sex drive is non existent but after he started taking higher nature's arginine I see far more action in the bedroom

thanks for the tip about arginine

 

[Blythe]

thank you Blythe, we did BD this morning but with only 9 hours since the previous BD session I am not there was sufficient number of sperm there.

i used smilie face OPK in pm but I only did it on the day of peak, who knows it might have showed positive the day before if I tried. the reason i do OPK on top of CBFM is cos a few times i got positive the day after peak and O on the day of high after the second peak. but it was with two lines OPK, smilie face seems to work exactly like CBFM. and i only use 1-2 sticks per cycle cos they are so expensive

May be you are right and we should BD after O as well, cos we mostly stop any BD on the day of O.

I used to buy H&B's arginine for DH but it did not work, now I am buying higher nature's one and it can tell the difference. MY DH's sex drive is non existent but after he started taking higher nature's arginine I see far more action in the bedroom

thanks for the tip about arginine

i ordered some decent quality and higher strength l-arginine yesterday so fingers crossed it will give DH some more get up and go! I will (probably) be taking it too.

 

[Blythe]

I went to docs this am so try and get a referral for lap/dye and she has referred me to fertility clinic although made clear again i would not qualify for any treatment given my age. anyhow, apparently the referral for lay/dye has to come from the fertility clinic rather than my doc so i have an appt for the clinic on 6 march. The lady that runs the clinic also runs the Create IVF centre in wimbledon so hopefully i get to see her. I could just about manage a natural round of ivf financially but i just cannot justify 5k when we are STILL saving for a deposit.....being practical, the heartbreak of failure coupled with financial setback of that magnitude would be just too much!

still back to being positive...i may be pregnant by then!!

 

[Briss]

I am so annoyed with FF, it still keeps my O at CD9 even though my temp is moving up (mainly due to cold getting worse), if it's true we so missed it cos we DB after that.

have you booked your HSG? why do you need lap/dye? it's so invasive! if HSG shows that your tubes are fine I would not do lap/dye. Sorry. if I am projecting my unfortunate experience but I just so regret letting them do it, it served no other purpose than for my IVF referral which you wont get via NHS anyway. My Dh has the money for IVf but wont spend them on this out of principal (no idea what principal is that), I can still try to qualify for 1 free IVF via NHS if my FSH goes down but it is going to be fully medicated so I'd rather we pay for natural.

I should also keep positive and hope we get pregnant soon. High up on my to do list is getting DH to do his test this week. am so hoping there will be improvement

I woke up in the middle of the night with really bad pain in my right ovary, was similar to ovulation pain so a bit confused cos was supposed to O by now, may be it was my cyst…

 

[Blythe]

i told my doc i wanted to get the test where dye is injected in my tubes and im sure i said "HSG or something like that" but she said that would only be done via a referral from the fertility clinic. As i already know they cannot refer me for any IUI/IVF im not really sure what they can do...

i see FF is still convinced you O on CD9...i still think later but its difficult as you have been feeling unwell so it may well have affected those temps. I often get pains of all kinds in my ovaries/fallopian tubes after ovulating and my recent scan showed i had no cysts...come to think of it im getting some today.

i hope you can get your DH to the hospital this week...i would be very interested to hear if the supplements have had an effect on the SA results. My DH will be going for his third trip to st georges hopefully this week.

 

[Briss]

HSG is fine it's a 15 min procedure, Lap&Dye is a full-on operation under general anaesthetic but they will also be injecting dye in your tubes as well as looking at your insides through a hole in your belly. we went to GP, GP sent us to a FS and FS referred for HSG and other tests, took about 4 months.

Finally FF saw the light and put my O for CD 11

 

[Blythe]

Good news about FF...your chart makes much better sense now!

Thanks for info re tests...i would like to get confirmation that my tubes are clear but i feel [not sure why] they probably are. There is nothing else they can do for me really. Well perhaps as the clinic is related to create health maybe suggest best [and cheapest] way forward for me.

having said all that im excited to see if the acu and herbs continues to have a good effect on my cycles so keeping my hopes up for a natural BFP in the next 3/4 months.