Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

Malamae - sorry for AF but your cycle has looked great and those temps brill so everything is heading in the right direction for you. Jasmine tea is good for kidney yang deficiency types.

Briss-yes i think the doc can be wrong....it would be interesting to get a second opinion.

Afm-bright red spotting again....and bfn so roll on thurs! Im predicting a march/april BFP for myself!! Mind over matter....mind over matter!!

Im determined to change my diet and cut out the crap....no cakes, crisps or chocolate...i am going to do this!

 

[Briss]

Blythe, sorry about bfn fingers crossed for march/april BFP! I am with you on cutting the crap out. was very good yesterday staffing myself with bananas and apples all afternoon until I could not take it anymore but no chocolate!

afm, also disappointed was so hoping to O later this cycle but got a peak today on CD10. even when I do not get HIGH from CD6 I still get peak on CD10 but just after 2 HIGHs starting from CD8 rather than 4 HIGHs starting from CD6. Maybe I was going to O later but all this drama with hubby is making me O earlier

Also, one of my spots started bleeding during the night. Now that's bleeding gone there is a red line going through it like a blood vessel I just hope it wont stay like that cos it looks terrible. I do not even think it is a spot, no idea what it was and not sure the doc stucking a needle into it was a good thing to do.

 

[phrumkidost]

Hi ladies,

I may have posted something in this thread back in the beginning but lost track of what I was following. I hope it's okay if I revisit this (if not, please forgive me!). I was using acupuncture for 2+ months, and it worked for me! I think I found someone good, who specialized in infertility. The needles never hurt longer than a few seconds, never bled, and never caused any bleeding. The guys I was seeing was Chinese and trained in China. Anyway, I just wanted to add a positive story to this thread!

And, I'm sending lots and lots of positive energy and baby dust your way! xo

 

[Briss]

Phrumkidost, congratulations and H&H 9 months! It's so lucky to find an acu doc you can totally trust and who can make s difference. Can I ask what points you had needled and whether you generally felt better after a few weeks of acu? I am going for my last acu appointment this Sunday and then I think I am going to take a break. I will still be taking herbs. It's interesting that you never had any bleeding. I had quite a few, even now I still have my left zigong bruising quite bad. One of NHS' doctors who also trained in acu said it happens sometimes that a needle punctures a blood vessel and I understand it's not a big deal (although when I look at my bruising I am not happy at all)

 

[Blythe]

Hi ladies,

I may have posted something in this thread back in the beginning but lost track of what I was following. I hope it's okay if I revisit this (if not, please forgive me!). I was using acupuncture for 2+ months, and it worked for me! I think I found someone good, who specialized in infertility. The needles never hurt longer than a few seconds, never bled, and never caused any bleeding. The guys I was seeing was Chinese and trained in China. Anyway, I just wanted to add a positive story to this thread!

And, I'm sending lots and lots of positive energy and baby dust your way! xo

hi phrumkidost

good to see you posting here! I remember you also had issues with spotting and were using a prog cream. I used it for a couple of months and had no spotting but this month spotting has returned with a vengeance did you keep applying the cream right up to time AF expected or before?

congratulations to you...always lovely to see a BFP result. x

 

[MalaMae]

Phrumkidost, congratulations! It's good to hear news like this. :

Briss, I just remembered I had a small bruise on my belly. I wasn't very concerned, sometimes they do hit something unfortunately. Sorry you are having bad experience with the acu. Maybe if you change the doctor.
Are you noticing any changes? How long is the doctor keeping the needles in? Is he/she putting a needle on your back as well?
I'm entering my 5th month of acupuncture. I finally see changes in the temps, I'm way more warmer than I was (36.60 Celsius on day 2! whaaaat??)

 

[Blythe]

Blythe, sorry about bfn fingers crossed for march/april BFP! I am with you on cutting the crap out. was very good yesterday staffing myself with bananas and apples all afternoon until I could not take it anymore but no chocolate!

afm, also disappointed was so hoping to O later this cycle but got a peak today on CD10. even when I do not get HIGH from CD6 I still get peak on CD10 but just after 2 HIGHs starting from CD8 rather than 4 HIGHs starting from CD6. Maybe I was going to O later but all this drama with hubby is making me O earlier

Also, one of my spots started bleeding during the night. Now that's bleeding gone there is a red line going through it like a blood vessel I just hope it wont stay like that cos it looks terrible. I do not even think it is a spot, no idea what it was and not sure the doc stucking a needle into it was a good thing to do.

crickey that spot sounds awful!! i hope it clears up soon...i have some corkers on my chin today..one was particularly painful to burst but it had to be done and i returned to my desk with a bloody chin. still no proper AF for me so if AF turns up as expected on thurs i will have had about 5 days spotting which is a bit crap really as i feel im taking some steps back.

However, i am now home and going to do some yoga or at least some stretching and try to get rid of this horrible headache. I had no caffeine and no chocolate today....I'm sure those sugar highs play havoc with my hormones and I'm determined to give it my best shot this month...i may even resort to foreplay if required [our idea of foreplay nowadays is checking to see if either of us is awake].

i know you would like to see a longer cycle as you had before but your cycles are still nice and healthy and long enough to do what needs to be done.

 

[Briss]

MalaMae, it's great that you are seeing positive changes from acu. I think I am getting a little more energy and slightly warmer as well. the doctor keeps the needles in for 30 min and I do not get any needles on my back

Blythe, are you taking progesterone this cycle? good luck with Yoga, I was supposed to do aerobics tonight but seeing a peak this morning means I am damping everything at work and rushing home to BD. I hope we wont need any foreplay cos with hubby's low sex drive our idea of foreplay is a lot of hard work on my side… I agree I think I still can get pregnant with a shorted cycle it's just the idea of cycles getting shorter = approaching menopause, scary

 

[Blythe]

i did apply my prog cream but stopped it a few days back but i did the same thing last cycle with no spotting. Next time il keep up with the prog cream a little longer.

i having a week off herbs and no acu this weekend....will go the following sat and then probably sign up for another round of 5 sessions with herbs. I will also see what DH's SA results look like next week. If they are rubbish i will give him the option of acu/herbs for him or IVF!

 

[Briss]

I hope your DH's results will be great. but in any way acu/herbs is a good way to improve things (if only my DH agreed to this...)

I am done with OPK/CBFM for this cycle, got a smily face in the evening so I guess I am going to O tomorrow. will try to BD tomorrow as well although I am already waiting for the next cycle to start things properly with hubby on board this time.

How was your yoga?

 

[phrumkidost]

Phrumkidost, congratulations and H&H 9 months! It's so lucky to find an acu doc you can totally trust and who can make s difference. Can I ask what points you had needled and whether you generally felt better after a few weeks of acu? I am going for my last acu appointment this Sunday and then I think I am going to take a break. I will still be taking herbs. It's interesting that you never had any bleeding. I had quite a few, even now I still have my left zigong bruising quite bad. One of NHS' doctors who also trained in acu said it happens sometimes that a needle punctures a blood vessel and I understand it's not a big deal (although when I look at my bruising I am not happy at all)

Thank you!
The points he needled varied on where I was in my cycle, but I can't remember specifically what changed. In general, the points were: feet, outside of calves, inside of thigh near knee, area in hand between thumb and forefinger, tummy, top of head. Once or twice he did the side of my head, too. He left them in for a bout thirty minutes, and usually came back about half-way through to give them all another vibrate. I always felt better after a treatment, but I think that's because it relaxed me.

The first full cycle I was really slow to ovulate (CD 23) but I had a real ovulation, with lots of EWCM (new for me) and a strong desire to BD with every guy I saw -- LOL. Timing was off that month for us, though. The next cycle everything continued by my Oing was moved up to around CD 14. Again, I had the EWCM and strong desire to BD. Timing was good and that was the cycle that worked. Both months my temps were good in that the two phases were very clearly distinct.

hi phrumkidost

good to see you posting here! I remember you also had issues with spotting and were using a prog cream. I used it for a couple of months and had no spotting but this month spotting has returned with a vengeance did you keep applying the cream right up to time AF expected or before?

congratulations to you...always lovely to see a BFP result. x

Thank you! I did stick with the prog cream. The first month I stopped when AF came and started up again only after O. The second month, after my BFP, I just continued to take it. I had been advised to keep with it as my body may need to rely on it to keep pregnancy healthy. The spotting got better with it, but didn't completely go away. The month I got pregnant I had three days of implantation bleeding which I thought was very early spotting.

Blythe, were you using the cream only Post O?

Thanks again to you all for your good wishes! I'm crossing my fingers you all get good news soon, too.

In case it helps, I'm posting a link to my charts. I'll probably continue to stalk this thread, too, if that's okay (I know not everyone likes to be reminded someone else has had luck in ttc).

https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3faf62//thumb.png
My Ovulation Chart

 

[phrumkidost]

Phrumkidost, congratulations! It's good to hear news like this. :

I'm entering my 5th month of acupuncture. I finally see changes in the temps, I'm way more warmer than I was (36.60 Celsius on day 2! whaaaat??)

Thank you! The acupunture really helped with my temps, too. If you look at my charts you'll see I got way low before O (below 36!) but it spiked up afterwards. I used to feel cold all the time, but once things started to work for me I as feeling much warmer after O. I was told the dropping of the temp indicated increased estrogen which helped bring the LH rise necessary for ovulation. Anyway, this is all to say that your recent temp symptoms sound like good news.

 

[Briss]

Phrumkidost, thank you very much for responding. Its interesting to know that the points you doc needled varied on where you were in your cycle. I think that's important cos I get more or less the same points every time. I also feel better after a treatment but not during cos I am quite tense from pain. thanks for posting your chart I love pregnancy charts!

I did not get much EWCM yesterday but we BD cos it was peak, today on the other hand I am getting tonnes of watery CM. I got really concerned that we were missing on my fertile time and went to canary wharf to get more lunch time DB… not a good idea, hubby could not perform under pressure of babies knocking on the door of our baby changing room every 5 minutes but it was fun. I felt kind of guilty that we occupied their room but then our cause was totally justified after all these babies were already born so should be happy. am still hoping to get more BD in tonight but my left ovary stopped aching so may be it is too late.

 

[Blythe]

good on you girl!! lunchtime BD in inappropriate locations is right up my street!

 

[Blythe]

I hope your DH's results will be great. but in any way acu/herbs is a good way to improve things (if only my DH agreed to this...)

I am done with OPK/CBFM for this cycle, got a smily face in the evening so I guess I am going to O tomorrow. will try to BD tomorrow as well although I am already waiting for the next cycle to start things properly with hubby on board this time.

How was your yoga?

yoga was ok...i have just come home and will do some more. Its just basic poses as i really want to improve my flexibility before i get hardcore! i know its not at all competitive but i was like a plank of wood in my class last week and i felt like leaving half way through...

 

[Briss]

Blythe, I see you put today as CD 1, is it really like AF? I am so sorry

I know what you mean about Yoga, it just takes time and constant repetition for some exercises/poses to come through.

re BD in inappropriate locations, unfortunately he did not come so it was not quite BD but I loved the idea (although I did buy some towels in nearby Waitrose to make sure it's all clean etc … I guess that makes me officially old) hubby was less enthused I think he was put off by all these babies making noise outside, he even suggested going to a hotel but that was a bit too much for me although if this happens again I think we should go for what he feels comfortable with. men are so sensitive!

My watery CM has disappeared cant believe it was on only for a few hours. even grapefruit juice did not help, although last cycle I had plenty of EWCM not just watery

 

[Blythe]

AF is here full flow so happy she is now here properly and i can get stuck into next cycle. Each day feels like an eternity towards the end of cycle.

I always find it difficult to distinguish between CM and residue sperm...nice! I do know i tend to dry up around ovulation but lots of CM before so i use a bit of preseed sometimes. I have some cough medicine for this round and went out and brought some manuka honey (15+) to put in my fresh ginger and lemon hot drink....will hopefully keep colds at bay and maybe help me out ttc...i cant have a cycle now without trying something new.

 

[Briss]

I've seen lots of varieties of manuka honey in H&B, how's it different from normal honey?

it's not just residue sperm but also some arousal liquid that I have plenty of around O which is really difficult to distinguish from CM

 

[Blythe]

It has anti-bacterial properties and i have seen that girls use it too improve fertility...im not sure what it does though. I was read through some reviews on amazon and i just thought i would use it in place of the normal honey i have been using. I had a teaspoon of it earlier and its delicious...i have never put honey in my mouth straight from the jar before....i also brought some deodorant from h&b whilst i was there so completely free of any chemicals. Their manuka honeys are in the penny promotion which ends very soon so worth checking out.

Still zero caffeine but 3 choc biscuits earlier but no choc bars so happy with that!

 

[Briss]

I like honey (although I like chocolate more...) and use far more of it since starting drinking ginger tea. will definitely give it a try, thanks for the tip on penny sale

well done on caffeine and choc! I was not as good today, had a chocolate bar instead of lunch due to the "exceptional circumstances"