Chinese Accupuncture

[alison29]

I did not know nuts and veg juice were bad for liver stag. I have been diagnosed with that in the past. I take milk thistle to help clean the liver.

 

[alison29]

Now i remember the lady i saw said if i had say a salad it would help to eat something hot like soup or tea to help digest the raw vegtetables. She said cooked vegs were better for me to eat with liver stagnation.

 

[shiseru]

Blythe, sorry to hear about your son, i hope he recovers soon.

Briss, I would think chocolate is fine? Dark chocolate especially! Not white or milk chocolate though! https://www.fitday.com/fitness-arti...ng/6-health-benefits-of-dark-chocolate.html#b

Dark chocolate helps to ease fatigue too! I take some chocolate everyday without failed (non-sugar type)

Uh i didn't know raw vegetable juices and nuts are bad for liver stag too. I thought they were good (fibre and protein?) Well I don't take veg juices but I do take almond nuts. Without it, i am sure I will go for chips!

Alison, I am curious about your temp! Has it been steady this cycle? Any symptoms?

 

[Blythe]

I am sorry about your son Blythe will be thinking of you. That is nerve wracking not know what is causing symptoms. How old is your son?

Briss sorry bout AF. Its good to have hope though without it we would give up. It's going to happen for you, I know it just keep on trying diff things it will pay off.

AFM I didn't test or temp this morning. I will let you know what comes of tomorrow morn just not feeling much different then usual though and didn't want to waste a HPT. Woke up really late today can't wait to see what the temp is tomorrow.

My son is just under 4. He should be out of hospital by this evening. Do far no bacterial have developed in the blood they extracted. He is quite poorly with tonsillitis anyhow. Poor sod. I have no idea what caused the rash they were concerned about though.

Have you tested yet? What CD are you?

 

[alison29]

I think a virus can cause a rash. My son had that a couple times when he was sick and maybe 2-3 yrs, he would have a usual cold and fever and also get a rash on his back or stomach... I am so glad he is recovering well. 4 is such a great age (mine turned 5 in Feb it's a great age too)

No i did not test i am still raised temps but not super high or anything. I need to buy some cheap HPT sticks at dollar store so i am not so stingy about testing. I have one test but have been saving. I am cycle day 28. Usually 31 day cycle so temps should be crashing soon if BFN.

 

[alison29]

I have been missing some temps in the morning the highest i have had was 98.1..Then lowest was this morning at 97.76..I haven't been doing acutal chart so it's hard to say.

What cycle day are you guys on Shiseru and Blythe? I know Briss is at beginning again.

I really do need to do a real chart and write all my temps down next month..Do you guys pay for the program to put your data in everyday?

 

[Blythe]

The basic charts for fertility friend are free and that's the one are all using (I think).

Remember I told you I had brought a reading from psychic 123....well I have been chasing her for about 3 weeks as I told her my reading was written as if for someone TTC their first. She clearly had just sent me a round robin so I asked for one that was personal. Maybe that's why she us ignoring my mail. I'm going to badger her again!! Will let you know if she bothers to return my mail. It infuriates me as she's making probably thousands so she should brush up on her customer service!! Charlatans

 

[Briss]

Shiseru, do not temp me with dark chocolate I skipped breakfast today, had yogurt for lunch and fruit for dinner, if I still did not lose anything tomorrow morning I will be very disappointed

Alison, we use basic fertility friend charts (the one in my signature), they are free and really great cos you can put down all your symptoms and from time to time you get 3 day VIP for free and can download your VIP charts. Unfortunately both of my chinese docs could not read FF charts, for some reason they prefer manually completed charts without crosshairs. Dr Zhai even asked her assistant to put my temps from FF chart into hers so she could look at it.

Blythe, I hope your son is feeling much better.

I am still negotiating blood tests with Dr Zhai, got down to 165 pounds for a simple blood test, I think it's high way robbery. I ate so little last few days but my weight is still the same. hubby said that's the reason he decided to starve himself cos he was not losing much when he just ate less. this is so strange, illogical even. I am losing my motivation

 

[shiseru]

Yes I use the FF basic charts. I did pay for the VIP before that was when I conceived my daughter, but the basic is good enough and you can share your chart here too!

Briss, you are doing great. I think I lose a little weight over the past few weeks, our team is on diet, because of a man! A man in our team started the diet. During lunch he ate only protein and fibre and no carbo, made us feel so guilty that we are eating so much! So yes the whole team all cut out carbo and sugary stuffs. I can't resist dark chocolate though (oh did I mention dark chocolate is in my list of supplement? LOL!)

165 pounds for a simple blood test is rather costly. Can this BT be done in a GP clinic or somewhere else?


Blythe, I hope your son has a speedy recovery and get your answer soon from psychic 123!

Just look at my temp, it looks disappointing! Down and down it went. Well i am going for my CD21 blood test tomorrow. I requested to skip because I am certain the BBT showed ovulation has occurred, but my gynae said the progesterone level is useful if I fail to become pregnant, and it helps detect luteal phase defect. I went for my last acupuncture yesterday. The TCM said it was enough and now we just wait.

 

[Blythe]

Hi girls! Missed you!
Read all of your posts. I don't have much to report.
Have been dealing with family issues and in 1.5 week lost 6.6 lb (eating only 1 per day, I lost my appetite).
I'm not doing any temping, OPKs, saliva etc. Absolutely nothing! I have no idea when I will ovulate or ovulated ) we actually finally enjoy random BD and it feels great!
We are not thinking of IUI or IVF at all. I'm letting go and I feel so much more better

Malamae - how are you? Have you been BDing every 3 days? Are you feeling liberated from all the temping and opking? I hope you are well

 

[Blythe]

Shiseru, do not temp me with dark chocolate I skipped breakfast today, had yogurt for lunch and fruit for dinner, if I still did not lose anything tomorrow morning I will be very disappointed

Alison, we use basic fertility friend charts (the one in my signature), they are free and really great cos you can put down all your symptoms and from time to time you get 3 day VIP for free and can download your VIP charts. Unfortunately both of my chinese docs could not read FF charts, for some reason they prefer manually completed charts without crosshairs. Dr Zhai even asked her assistant to put my temps from FF chart into hers so she could look at it.

Blythe, I hope your son is feeling much better.

I am still negotiating blood tests with Dr Zhai, got down to 165 pounds for a simple blood test, I think it's high way robbery. I ate so little last few days but my weight is still the same. hubby said that's the reason he decided to starve himself cos he was not losing much when he just ate less. this is so strange, illogical even. I am losing my motivation

It is far too expensive. Could you push for updated cd3 bloods on your FS visit on the 7th? After all your fsh levels are surely due for review ahead of any decision to recommend you for IVF/iui etc.

I am inspired by your dedication and avoidance of chocolate. I have been eating like mad recently and put my skirt on this morning only to have a mass of flesh spill over the top and even the back. Yuk! Keep up the good work. I remember on my previous weight loss programmes that I remain static for a week or two before it starts falling off.

Shiseru and Alison - I have everything crossed for you both

 

[Briss]

Blythe, we got down to 117 pounds for Biochemistry test only. I am checking if I can get it cheaper elsewhere. FS will likely ask me to repeat FSH but not the others. I ate almost nothing yesterday and finally for the first time could see some minor positive changes in my weight this morning. have not had anything to eat yet today, just having nettle tea with little bit of honey. feel inspired. It's actually quite shocking how many times a day I have to say no to various treats, they seem to be coming out at me from every corner. I'd previously just go for it cos they seems to be so small almost innocent looking pieces of chocolate or candy but it all adds up in the end. I will try to hold on on just nettle tea and then eat some broccoli in the evening.

Shiseru, temp does not matter, the most optimistic looking temps lead to BFN and some very miserable temps lead to BFP. I remember looking over a fellow B&B member's chart feeling very sorry for her as her temp went down only to read her BFP announcement a few days later

 

[Blythe]

Blythe, we got down to 117 pounds for Biochemistry test only. I am checking if I can get it cheaper elsewhere. FS will likely ask me to repeat FSH but not the others. I ate almost nothing yesterday and finally for the first time could see some minor positive changes in my weight this morning. have not had anything to eat yet today, just having nettle tea with little bit of honey. feel inspired. It's actually quite shocking how many times a day I have to say no to various treats, they seem to be coming out at me from every corner. I'd previously just go for it cos they seems to be so small almost innocent looking pieces of chocolate or candy but it all adds up in the end. I will try to hold on on just nettle tea and then eat some broccoli in the evening.

Shiseru, temp does not matter, the most optimistic looking temps lead to BFN and some very miserable temps lead to BFP. I remember looking over a fellow B&B member's chart feeling very sorry for her as her temp went down only to read her BFP announcement a few days later

yes temptation is everywhere....A plateful of broccoli will taste delicious if all you have had is nettle tea today. I bet you will reach your target weight by the end of may easily if you keep this up.

very good advice re the temps...its so easy to get hung up on temps post ovulation but we have all seen BFPs even when temps fall below cover line.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, your temp looks very good. what are you taking this cycle?

This is my first cycle completely off any kind of herbs, noticed that my pre O temp is higher than while I was on herbs – excess heat?

Had a major argument with hubby last night, I was so happy when my DH finally agreed to quit beer and 2 months later he took up running, not normal kind of running but 8-10 hour running wearing really tight pants, I was so upset but could not get through to him until last night when I read that this type of running definitely affects the sperm and testosterone levels… he still insists that he wants to continue running because that's the only thing that helps him reduce stress caused by my constant unhappiness and our arguments related to TTC, I just feel so hopeless today. trying to get hubby booked for next SA – Hammersmith hospital has 2 month waiting list!

the only positive change is a slight drop in my weight this morning – not surprisingly after 2 days on tea and fruit/veg, unfortunately I have to go to some award ceremony tonight there will be proper dinner with wine etc and since I am going with my partners there is no way I can just sit there drinking tea… will probably get my weight back up tomorrow morning

 

[Blythe]

Briss I am sorry to hear about your argument with DH. It dounds like he does like to take things to the extreme. TTC is so stressful and puts so much pressure on couples. That is the main reason why my DH does not want to do IVF due to fallout if it does not work (and the cash too). I hope you are able to find a compromise between you and your DH comes to realise that that extreme running will not be conducive to creating quality sperm.

This month I am taking:
Folate
Multi vit for women
Omega fish oil
Dhea
Vit d
Coq10
Little Chinese herbal pills (dont remember name)
Post ovulation progesterone cream
Glass of ginger and lemon in the morning and selection if green, nettle teas throughout day
Occasional glass of wine, coffee and breakfast tea
Raspberries and walnuts to increase kidney yang
Honey containing pollen and royal jelly
Acu every Sunday
And Lots of crap food

I have asked my Acu doc to write down my last prescription for interest but I'm considering finding a decent herbalist as that, rather than the Acu, will help increase my chances.

I have a doc appt on Monday so should get my up to date fsh level and detailed report on my hsg.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, thank you. impressive list but works well for your temp. it's so fine out, I just wish I could leave the office and spend the day outside. I have 28 days unused holidays this year. shocking! not even sure if they let me transfer some of it to next year. all because we cant agree on anything including holidays with DH these days. we are talking donor sperm and divorce unfortunately…

Had miso soup for lunch and nothing for breakfast…so miserable but it would be a shame to stop now when I finally see some minor progress.

 

[melly2]

Hi Briss,

I know you and I are in the same boat in regards to our hubby's sperm quality and count. My husband had his second SA last week (two months after learning the first count). The news thus far: up to 3.5 million, from 2.5 million. His motility more than doubled and his morph went up as well. Though that's a positive thing, it's still not nearly good enough. So, we're going to continue to work on his count. One thing with him is his testosterone is low, and it isn't budging, even with the prescription he is currently on. His doctor upped his prescription and will see him in a month again. If no improvement, then they will need to start doing HCG shots (which I've heard work really well). I'm actually really hoping that's the route they go, because I've heard it works wonders.

Anyhow, I wanted to provide an update, as I know you and I are fighting the same battle. There's some progress here...

 

[alison29]

Hi Guys! swamped at work...But did read the part about not losing weight regardless of what you do and I think eating fruits and veg is the best way to go. A friend at work started logging her calories and we were both absolutely shocked at how much calories a person can eat with out eating much with rice and pasta and bread and meat. A itty bitty bowl of rice is 600 calories! I only need 1500 calories a day and that is not much food.

She eats one hard boiled egg for break fast now (60-70 calories) soup at lunch 150 calories then small serving of meat liek smaller then your fist and at ton of veggies at night and has been losing weight! but probably eats 1200 calories a day.

My boss eats two fruit smoothies and a small dinner yep starvation is what we have to do to weigh less it sucks!

If i eat a bunch of chocolate (most days) I try to eat broc or lettuce for dinner without dressing or cheese just seasoning.

I will post about the other stuff later today..

 

[alison29]

I love the lots of crap food part blythe too funny. all the other stuff sounds really great though..

Briss how bout clomid for dh?..Don't men take that for a few months and have better SA?
Maybe next time he can sit in the hot tub for a while after running 20 miles in tight pants (ugh)..

 

[Briss]

Melly, thanks for the update, much appreciated. great news on sperm count! some positive movement. what's your DH taking? My DH also has low testosterone, he takes Tribulis. I also gave him some chinese herbs that were supposed to improve his numbers but cant really say whether they worked. He is trying to build some muscle which should also help increase T levels. I am due to see our FS next week, she will probably ask him to repeat his SA. do not even know what to expect.

Alison, I've heard good stories about clomid improving sperm count but our FS would not refer hubby to urologist and I think you need a urologist to prescribe clomid. I so agree about fruit/veg. I just ate some fruit and hot drinks all day today; at dinner i had a starter and a few bites of beef with beens, skipped potatoes and desert. hopefully, am still on track.