Chinese Accupuncture

[Briss]

no idea what my temp is doing, why did it drop today instead of going up, how very annoying, although I feel I have ovulated cos there is no CM of any kind and no sex drive – quite a dramatic change to Sunday.

I started reading Dr Z's book last night, she starts with what seems to be a summary of "Chinese Medicine: The Web That Has No Weaver" - all the basics of Chinese medicine, then she goes on to describe the relevant meridians and acu points, the drawings with the points are quite handy actually. but then I skipped all the discussions on fertility problems and moved straight to TCM types. Quite surprised to discover that I cant identify my type based on her questionnaire: I am usually qi deficient + bit of blood stasis/liver qi stagnation type. Now I seem to have a mild Kidney Yang deficiency but nothing else quite fits. not even sure where we go from here

 

[Blythe]

That fits in with what your acu doc said isn't it...Kidney yang and yin deficiency....it seems to me that that almost applies to anyone TTC. Does she suggest any self help remedies or recommend any specific dietary changes?

It is a little unusual for you to get a dip when you have just ovulated but it will be interesting to see what it does in the next couple of days. I would be surprised if you haven't ovulated though and its maybe because this morning was so frosty.

 

[Briss]

for each type she provides acu points, herbs, lifestyle and dietary changes in the same way Lewis' book does but slightly less detailed and she also divides all types and treatments into excesses and deficiencies. She also has sections on herbs, on healthy eating for pregnancy, vitamins and supplements, food for your TCM type, acupressure and exercise, things to do while pregnant and questionnaire for the appointment. But she describes it all very briefly without going into much detail. it's more like an overview, compared to very practical and detailed account in MalaMae's book. still very interesting cos some of the questions to determine your TCM type are different from what I read in other books.

I had very strong pain in my right ovary today, I wonder if I got it all wrong and only ovulating now. it would be strange cos I have no sex drive, very confusing. It was quite frosty this morning but yesterday it was so much worse with snow and all and yet my temp went up. it would be interesting to see what my temp is going to do next but I think without acu it's playing up a bit

 

[shiseru]

Hiya ladies! I just came back from a nice short trip with my family. I feel great!

MalaMae, so sorry about the af, looks like we are buddy this cycle. I never spot before af but these 2 cycles i did after the hsg test.

Blythe, I agree just have to think of a way to get the little swimmers in and not miss a cycle!

Briss, your temp doesn't match your cm isn't it. Or perhaps sometimes you may have fertile cm 3-4 days before O? So you may start getting busy!

My 2nd and 3rd acupuncture sessions - She put more needles. I had 6-7 needles to the front, and 6 to the back. I always requested they lower down the current otherwise my body moved so much boy it hurts!

The Chinese sinseh when she first saw me. She said that my egg is probably not ideal because of my early O, and my af is scanty and my cycle is getting shorter. So I need to be more aggressive in ttc. My DH had his SA test yesterday, we will see the doctor end of March and decide on the plan. I would probably have 1 IUI so we know how well I respond to med.

Can't believe myself I actually bought Royal jelly. I know I can't improve the quantity but it helps with the quality? Anyway we just need to find the golden egg and 1 good swimmer! I'm sure we can succeed!

I look forward to my yoga this Friday too!

 

[Blythe]

for each type she provides acu points, herbs, lifestyle and dietary changes in the same way Lewis' book does but slightly less detailed and she also divides all types and treatments into excesses and deficiencies. She also has sections on herbs, on healthy eating for pregnancy, vitamins and supplements, food for your TCM type, acupressure and exercise, things to do while pregnant and questionnaire for the appointment. But she describes it all very briefly without going into much detail. it's more like an overview, compared to very practical and detailed account in MalaMae's book. still very interesting cos some of the questions to determine your TCM type are different from what I read in other books.

I had very strong pain in my right ovary today, I wonder if I got it all wrong and only ovulating now. it would be strange cos I have no sex drive, very confusing. It was quite frosty this morning but yesterday it was so much worse with snow and all and yet my temp went up. it would be interesting to see what my temp is going to do next but I think without acu it's playing up a bit

I get fertile cm days before ovulation and pains days after O itself.... My signs don't match my temps. It's so confusing and we can't BD everyday for 8 days....we are looking at 3/4 tops. Can you get one last BD in?

 

[Briss]

My DH cant manage more than 2-3 times per cycle so no more BD for us. I was supposed to be ovulating on CD11, not much of a temp rise unfortunately, might be an unovulatory cycle, would be my first ...

 

[Blythe]

hi briss - i was surprised not to see your cross lines...i think you ovulated CD11....Everything was as usual re CM, temps, CBFM and your infamous raging horn so i think you can dismiss that little temp dip and those post ovulation twinges. i wonder if you will get your cross lines tomorrow...i will check with interest.

i am on CD1 and was quite chuffed to see AF......as i could call hospital to arrange my hsg which is next friday and i go into hospital tomorrow for CD2 full blood profile.

have you managed to get through to Dr Z yet?

 

[Blythe]

Hiya ladies! I just came back from a nice short trip with my family. I feel great!

MalaMae, so sorry about the af, looks like we are buddy this cycle. I never spot before af but these 2 cycles i did after the hsg test.

Blythe, I agree just have to think of a way to get the little swimmers in and not miss a cycle!

Briss, your temp doesn't match your cm isn't it. Or perhaps sometimes you may have fertile cm 3-4 days before O? So you may start getting busy!

My 2nd and 3rd acupuncture sessions - She put more needles. I had 6-7 needles to the front, and 6 to the back. I always requested they lower down the current otherwise my body moved so much boy it hurts!

The Chinese sinseh when she first saw me. She said that my egg is probably not ideal because of my early O, and my af is scanty and my cycle is getting shorter. So I need to be more aggressive in ttc. My DH had his SA test yesterday, we will see the doctor end of March and decide on the plan. I would probably have 1 IUI so we know how well I respond to med.

Can't believe myself I actually bought Royal jelly. I know I can't improve the quantity but it helps with the quality? Anyway we just need to find the golden egg and 1 good swimmer! I'm sure we can succeed!

I look forward to my yoga this Friday too!

Hi shiseru - do you have an electrical current on all your needles or just a select few?

What day do you usually ovulate? Your charts dont seem to indicate a particularly early ovulation to me....anyhow if that is the case i hope the acu will help.

good luck with the SA results

I take a teaspoon of bee pollen/royal jelly every day...fingers crossed it has some magic properties. I have been eyeing up a seller on ebay who sells pure royal jelly in the uk...its a bit pricy but after all the cash i have thrown at TTC another £30 wont make a massive difference!

 

[Briss]

I am also very curious what temp is going to be like tomorrow

Blythe, I am sorry about AF but great that you managed to book hsg, you are supposed to be more fertile after the procedure cos it clears the tubes, fingers crossed

I am very depressed today, had yet another argument with hubby this morning and in the evening a friend announced her pregnancy. they TTC for about 6 months and she has some serious health issues in that department including unstoppable bleedings etc, did not stop her getting pregnant though. I have now only 2 friends left who do not have children yet. outings with friends are becoming rather painful... I can sense that people feel sorry for me

 

[shiseru]

Briss, I am sorry you feel so down. After I lost my first child, I argued with my DH too, and avoid going out even chatting with friends that were pregnant or have small kids. Each time i heard a friend announced pregnant, I cried and missed my lost child so badly. I have friends who had abortion, drink coffee, smoke but were able to conceive easily. Life's not always fair. However when the world says GIVE UP, hope whispers ONE MORE TRY. That's how I stay optimistic about TTC.

Did you test with OPK? You BBT chart doesn't look like you had ovulated but BBT sometimes aren't all reliable. I had my hsg in Jan, thought FF did not give me crossline but BT confirmed I ovulated.

My DH can't handle more than 2 times per cycles before I got pregnant with my first. He was then on TCM and now able to perform alt. days but still max 4 times. Is your DH on acupuncture or any TCM? These definately can help.

Blythe, is this your first hsg? Remember to take some ibuprofen, i think it helped me. It was a little uncomfortable but nothing painful and over in less than 10 mins or so.

I have the electrical current on just a select few needles. What about you? I didn't sign up the VIP so you can only see my recent chart. I attached my BBT chart for the past few cycles. 3 cycles when i was on clomid, i ovulated on CD11 or 12. In Jan where I had my hsg, although FF did not give me cross hair line, BT confirmed I ovulated. My cycle and o day were fine before July 2012 and it went hay-wire after that. The early ovulation prompted me to go for a fertility check up.

View attachment BBT July 2012 - Jan 2013.pdf

I heard many raves about the royal jelly and bee pollen. So i ordered from drugstore and they are so much cheaper! Unfortunately they do not have royal jelly with pollen in so i bought the bee pollen separately. I have mild asthma before but I took one capsule of the royal jelly yesterday and I was fine.

 

[Briss]

shiseru, thank you for support! losing one's child is heartbreaking, life can never be the same again. but your optimism makes me feel stronger.

that's just it - life is random and unfair, I gave up coffee (my favorite!!) 7 months ago but my pregnant friend still has 1-2 cups a day. I think I am gonna go back to drinking it

 

[Blythe]

Hugs to you briss....I get upset when I find out a celebrity has got pregnant and its really tuff when someone you know has. I have had a recent email exchange with a friend who was vexed with me for not going to her house and basically neglecting our friendship. She sent me an email saying I needed to focus on what I had and dont get upset about something I never had. She got pregnant with both her son and daughter within 2 cycles so she can shove that (albeit Well intended) advice up her bum. I much prefer contact with my other friend (and you girls) who has started adoption proceedings and is so sure she will be a mother to a daughter within the next year or so. Her positivity is infectious. I have brought a book on cosmic ordering....as clearly sex and supplements are not doing it.... Divine intervention could be way forward. Will report back.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, your friend sound like one of those fortunate people who will never be able to understand what we are going through. I do not think there is a way to deal with it except limit your contact. I am cutting off friends like that because it just adds negativity to my existence, and I have enough of it as it is I do not need more.

cant agree more divine intervention is indeed welcome, and I think it takes place but in a backward sort of way. several years ago I really wanted to make it to partnership at my firm and was working literally 24/7 until I realised that I basically have about 5-7 years to have children so I either spent this time making a career (meaning working non-stop like a slave) or I give up on career and focus on TTC (obviously most people get both easily but as I said life is not fair for some and it's a fact). last 3 years I spent more time researching various TTC strategies etc than legal ones and what do I get? I think you can guess, my career is at all time high, I am being promoted and praised. and what do I get for TTC really hard? is this a universe sending me a hint that I should hold on to my career cos nothing else is coming my way? I am not complaining about my career going well, this is one thing that keeps me going really these days it's just amazing why did not it happen before when I badly wanted it and when I worked really hard and felt I deserved it. It's happening now when I moved on. It's kundalini strategy isn't it: in order to get something you should give it up.

Also, in her book dr Z talks a lot about women getting pregnant while BD on a wrong day. She gives a few examples when ladies BD after O and got pregnant. it's very confusing. either they got their ovulation date wrong or she is trying to say that all our methods in determining O are not very reliable. basically she just suggests BD ever 3 days. not helpful at all

 

[alison29]

I agree witht the cosmic ordering theory, also law of positive attraction..What is the book you are ordering?

IT was really hard for me when both my SILs got knocked up last year within one month of one another "accidently"..Now that the babies are here for some reason it is easier. But i went through the stages: anger and resentment and finally acceptance but still avoidance as much as possible didn't go t o their out of town baby showers but did give them nice stuff.

 

[alison29]

Briss according to the law of attraction you/we are focusing on the lack of a baby too much the wanting and therefore we are going to keep getting that in our lives. Look it up it makes sense it's just hard to focus on positive thoughts like imagining the baby you will have and hwat your life will be like and just ignore the HOW you are going to get there KWIM? I have read that if you want something really bad put it out there for the universe ( our order) then try to ignore it and TRUST you will get it.

 

[Briss]

I think it's only last 6-8 months that I am focusing on the lack of a baby, previously for over 2 years I was focusing on having a baby, I remember watching "one born every minute" about women giving birth religiously and regularly imagined myself going through the process and in detail thinking it over and over and than having that baby and bringing it up, even now quite often I imagine myself as a mother with 2-3 imaginative children, I even talk to them… I find TWW easy because deep down I believe I am pregnant every single time. I guess that's why getting AF really is a funeral

 

[Blythe]

i downloaded a book called 'Wishing Well! A guide to creating your dreams through cosmic ordering'.....

im sure i read something before after seeing some appalling celeb [may have been noel edmonds] saying a book on cosmic ordering had changed his life...i thought i would like some of that but i quickly lost interest. I cannot even remember what i ordered or how i ordered it. I will have a look through this book over the weekend and see how i feel about it.

Briss - i see you have your cross lines...i have had months were I've just had a bit of a slow start with the temps post ovulation...i don't think its anything to worry about so long as you can see a shift in the larger scheme of things.

 

[Blythe]

you may have already seen this....she's quite good and I've been getting a series of interesting emails since signing up...she's done some little videos and a guided meditation too...

https://how-can-you-get-pregnant.com

 

[Blythe]

Briss - keep going girl!! You are going to do it.... It's bloody tuff but something amazing will happen for you.

 

[shiseru]

Briss, I know they said coffee is bad but I still drink a cup in the morning I was doing really well in my career but my thinking has changed after I lost my angel child. I focus more on my family, and career is no longer my priority though I often complained about the 'why me?'. But when I finally held my baby girl in my arms, I knew I have made the right choice. She has made our love stronger and a future ever worth living for.

You'll get there, I am sure. My mum gave birth to me when she was 34, and had my brother when she was 45 with only one tube because of ectopic.

Oh I see FF gave you crosslines, looks like you had a fallback rise this cycle so was doubting the O day! I had it once or twice and it had me confused.

Blythe, it's really frustrating to hear people who conceived easily trying to lecture us. I had a friend who conceived easily told me after i lost my first child. "NEVERMIND TRY AGAIN" I was really upset with her comments. Now imagine you lost a child and I tell you NEVERMIND GO MAKE ONE MORE, how would you feel about it? These people are insensitive, i will try to stay away from them.

Alison, I never attended baby shower after my losses and avoid gathering. It hurt too much I agreed. You are so brave. I can't even call them to congratulate nor send them gifts. I was such a sore loser...

Anyway, I am going for my yoga and my 4th acupuncture tomorrow, really looking forward to it! Have a nice weekend ladies!