Chinese Accupuncture

[Irish_eyes]

Hi everyone

OMG Kits...congratulations!!! Here is to a happy and healthy 9 months.

Hope everyone else is doing well.

I just wanted to ask about the herbal medicines that your acu gives you. I get Nuan Gong Yun Zi Wan and Xiao Yao Wan and I take 6 pills each every day. This week he didn't give me Xiao Yao Wan but Jin Kui Shen Qi. He didn't explain to me why he gave it (he hardly talks anyway) so was just wondering if any of you knew what it was for and also what herbs do you all get?

 

[Briss]

kits, looks like everything is going well, your progesterone levels are normal so fingers crossed for H&H 9 months.

Irish, I was taking Xiao Yao Wan (in powder form) in the mornings with my different doc last year, pretty nasty stuff I must say I barely managed to force myself to drink it. I think it was to deal with my heat but Jazzbird can tell you much more.

Blythe, cant stalk your chart so not sure if you got the positive OPK already, hopefully soon. It's frustrating waiting for your cycle to get back to normal after the IVF. but you never know I have seen ladies getting lucky with very messed up cycles after failed IVF. I so hope it'll happen for you soon. I am not surprised your clinic did not respond to your letter but I hope the letter had therapeutic effect and helped you deal with the way you were treated. btw, that’s so much for offering your meds! that's very kind. let's see what my protocol is then I will know what I am supposed to be taking. well done on checking your cervix, I am sure it provides wealth of information. I was never able to do that unfortunately, for some reason I just cant go in there I do not even use tampons anything in there irritates me terrible unless of course it serves a useful purpose I do wish I leant about this stuff when I was younger. I keep thinking if I ever have a daughter there is so much I can tell her and teach her… but then I start crying obviously

afm, sorry ladies I did not post much I was away again and it was pretty intense so I could not even pop in here for a minute. AF treated me horribly this cycle, it's very wrong - much lighter than usual not a single "heavy day", probably lining was not good last cycle cos I ovulated so early there was no time for it to grow properly. besides I had a terrible headache on CD1 which sometimes happen and I started vomiting (which also happens when headache is particularly bad but usually that's where thing get better, not this time I was vomiting on and off the entire day even if I just drank a bit of water I could not keep it down, it got so bad that at one point I was not even able to make it to the toilet and vomited in my own office… at this point I went home and barely made it to my flat. It was horrifying cos I was facing 6 hour flight the next morning followed by a set of meetings and my presentation. Could not cancel it. Luckily it got better and I managed to fell asleep. I cant even understand why it happened, I had herbs in the morning. some red clover tea (was trying to quit coffee but my attempt failed after that) and my usual porridge, nothing else. Unfortunately I could not carry on with the herbs this cycle cos I was just afraid they could trigger another attack – the last thing I need at a business meeting. I will carefully observe my cycle and see if I want to carry on with acu/herbs next cycle. I am constantly questioning whether they do me any good.

my clinic has not obtained the funding yet and have not decided on the protocol. I was told it may take 3 months…. cant believe this! on the other hand I am so not ready for IVF, I am still feeling rather shaky and not sure what's happening with my cycle and my FSH. I was away and could not do the test this cycle.

Cant keep DH from beer anymore… he totally lost any motivation after this bad result. I am disappointed beyond belief

I spent Sunday with my relatives and it was just awful, all my cousins' children have children which makes me a grandmother, sort of… and everyone keeps asking me what it is that I am waiting for and trying to give me advice. They are my family and they love me but it was just so hard. there is no way I can discuss my situation with them, even the ones who had issues and went on to have IVf got lucky on their first attempt (because they were 20!) and they have no idea that we have sperm issue, it's inconceivable for them that men can have any kind of relation to problems with getting pregnant. they kept asking me what my gynaecological issue is.. I just smiled and changed subject every single time. I know they mean well (most of them at least).

My weight is getting out of control, I put on a lot more in the last month and it shows. relatives were taking some pictures and when I saw myself I was horrified I did not even notice how quickly I changed, my face stopped being cute when I put on weight and I look older. my arms are the size of my legs when I am slimmer. I cant be bothered to diet, I just want to be pregnant!

 

[alison29]

So how did the scan go on Friday Kits? Your progesterone levels sound great really high!

Briss: that af sounds awful it does make me suspicious of possible reactions to the herbs causing the differences. I can't imagine having to travel and give presentations alot I hate doing it my mouth completely dries out ot the point where my lips feel like they are stuck on my gums like a horsewoman. Have that image of your self while you are trying to sound knowledgeable and it's pretty distracting
UGH with dh mine recently bought some rum. I told him to be careful of the downward spiral to 20 ounces in one cup with a splash of diet coke.
The fourth was a lot of fun and work since we were hosting. My kids had a blast with their cousins so it was all worth it. Briss I understand how frustrating the questioning of relatives about your reproductive status can be. One time my SIL suggested that my dh get a vasectomomy (as she was 5 months pregnant with her woopsy who is now 18 months and her dh still is not fixed) . This visit my FIL was saying how it's our turn to have the next baby. To which he got silence from us. I mean he knows we had problems the first time probably thinks he was yanking our chain because who would want more than 2 children right?

Briss is your dh still taking vitamins? I just ordered adam multivitamin from now foods for my dh. I am tired of the huge supplement bills you know? IT gets old. Adam seem ed pretty great for the low cost.

 

[Blythe]

i have posted link to chart...i don't think i am going to ovulate this cycle. It could be the IVF or it could be a new supplement i was taking...i have bind them now. It was a female fertility blend but then i noticed it had vitex in it....stupid girl. i can only hope it will delay ovulation but there is no sign at all of it so i just have to hope it returns next month.

My period was relatively light this cycle...the same as usual really. It is certainly much lighter than it was in my late 30s....my lining was checked during the IVF and i was told it was excellent so I'm no longer worried about my light periods.

My DH is now taking Chinese herbs blended for him twice a day as well as a tonne of supplements....maybe this will help although would be better if there was an egg to fertilise! with all the IVF meds and stoping/starting this year i have only ovulated 2/3 times so i am really keen to get back into swing of TTC naturally.

Briss - well done on the presentation....what a relief to get the sickness sorted before that. How horrid for you to be sick in the office....

i am barely keeping it together so trying every resource i can to keep from going under. i am hoping my fertility yoga dvd turns up tomorrow so i can start with that. I am also beginning each day with manifesting my life as i want it. I have enormous issues with this stuff as we have discussed before but my yoga teacher is fully focused on this stuff and i just have to do something. I have also started doing some arm weights in the morning before i go to work....my body is so untoned that i need to do something. I want to feel and look like a strong warrior not a tubby old lady.

Briss - i am sorry about the family day and the questions....its so hard. Please keep moving forward and just wading through it. you will get there and you will be happy

Irish eyes - i was on powdered herbs for ages and will be again when i can face going back to acu. I'm afraid i do not know what they were. So are you only taking 12 pills in total? i have taken loads of pills in the past though and remember taking 6 3 x per day [or something ridiculous like that]. i used to take Xiao Yao Wan for both fertility and previously for being sad ....they are quite good...they call them happy pills

How are you? How is the acu going?

 

[Irish_eyes]

Hi Blythe

I am taking 6 x Xiao Yao Wan and 6 x Nuan Gong Yun Zi but the Xiao Yao Wan was replaced with the other herbal pills. So glad I don't have to take the powder form.

I am not 100% certain how I feel about acu. Sometimes I find it sore and just can't wait for it to be over and other times it's relaxing. I am going once a week now and still don't have much conversation with the acu doc so not sure of my progression. I am not even sure of it either but I did O two days earlier this month than last month but I have also started taking b vits again which could have done that.

 

[Briss]

Irish, I also sometimes find acu painful particularly with Chinese practitioners but my correct doc is very careful and I usually do not feel the needles and can just relax. I like our sessions cos I can discuss things and ask questions I just wish I could see it working.

alison, I am not sure I can blame my sickness on herbs cos I have been taking them for 3 months now and this is the first time i felt this bad but I do feel it was related to my headache and the headache was caused by hormonal changes at the start of the cycle - liver q stagnation – which the herbs were supposed to help with but clearly something is not working. I am still feeling not 100% well and have constant mild headache and dizziness. My blood pressure is low so I am back to my morning cappuccinos. I also hate presentations, am terrible at public speaking unless I am well prepared but I was just lucky that horrible vomiting stopped and I was able to prepare for the meetings during the flight. We are still having issues with Dh's vitamins, he is refusing to take them so it's a struggle every morning and sometimes I lose and he goes vitamin free for a few days. I know what you mean re cost of supps, I think I already paid for full on stim IVF in vitamins for the last few years

Blythe, it's frustrating that you still have not got a positive OPK but at least your temp looks nice and steady. I hope you will O soon. you did mention before how vitex can screw up your cycle I hope the dose was low to have such detrimental effect and your body is just taking a bit more time to regulate itself. I am really impressed with your DH!! how's his back?

Being sick in the office was just horrible, I was lucky I was on my own and I just had time to shut the door and grab a pot (now I know why I have plants in my office) so it did not go to the floor…

I know how you feel and at times I just do not know where to get the strength to carry on. I feel like I lost my freedom I am effectively a slave to TTC but I cannot give up. Just had another issue with that book I was reading. this time it was a chapter on religion that set me off. Basically the author said that unless you are able to give in and accept that God knows best (and it's possible that it's for the best that you do not have children) you do not have faith. I have very complex relationship with religion and faith I am never sure I always question things but I guess based on this book I have no faith cos this is one thing I cannot accept.

what kind of arm weights are you doing? I really need something to tone my arms they are just horribly flabby. I find it so hard to make myself to do anything. while I read the book I think I am so motivated as soon as I get home I will do my yoga, I will meditate and do this and that but in reality I do not even have any energy to unpack my bags or clean up the house I just veg on my sofa all evening and maybe read a little but that's all. I need to think how to break this pattern.

 

[Blythe]

Irish Eyes - its really hard to stick with something when you cannot feel/see any noticeable changes. Its also quite difficult to assess whether things are going in the right direction if there is not much dialogue between patient and practitioner. Is your practitioner Chinese? How long is your usual cycle? I have also had some very uncomfortable [sometimes painful] acu....i am going next week for my last session with one of the ladies i see. She charges too much and it just really hurts....she puts the needles in so deep and has a way of inserting them that makes me wince. She will then proceed to pull them in and out and twist them around at least 3 times in the session. She says this is what makes it work better. I love her because i think she is quite compassionate but i cannot justify spending on her sessions anymore...also her english is not good enough for us to really discuss whats going on....after trying to explain i was doing IVF she still did not understand what i was talking about. Her massages are amazing though.

Briss - these are my arm weights:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/111...f11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

i just pick them up for about 2 mins in the morning and in the evening and i feel stronger and more toned already....get some!!

i really love my 'insight timer' app...the headspace one is also good. I sit on my bedroom floor in the morning or evening and set the timer for at least 5 mins and close my eyes and either listen to one of the guided meditations or listen to another app 'relax M.O.P' which has mediation sound waves on it....you can have both apps on at same time. The meditation sounds are basically deep white noise sort of thing which drowns out any thoughts and the binaural beats apparently influence the brain through the entrainment of brainwaves. I don't know what that last bit means but i copied it off the app info.

i set myself small targets because quite frankly anything that takes more than 5 mins commitment is likely to be skipped. Although i am going to do the fertility yoga when the dvd comes.

Briss - i brought some of the COQ10 you have been using and they are whoppers. It is strange that the solgar ones which are also 100mg and ubiquinol and tiny compared to these. It's not just yours that are huge as i have had others that are big too. I wonder if there is some filler oil in them.

today i had some ewcm and then i checked my cervix and it was slightly open and higher and softer.....i was so happy. I got home and still negative opk....i then looked at the one i did this morning and it is darker [not as dark as the cover of the positive opk on the box though....they are from boots and it is the first time i have used them. Not impressed so far as it takes ages for the lines to be clear to me]. I may take this mornings as a positive depending on if tomorrows is also negative and if i get a temp rise. I am going to try and use the happiness i felt earlier and try and replicate it in my morning manifesting session [no more than 3 mins!]...i so struggle to feel pure joy when doing them. You are meant to feel all the sensations, and smell everything. i struggle to really be in the picture and find myself observing it....i hope it will get easier.

DH received the results of his MRI and he has to have an operation.....he is going to the hospital again later this week. He has been having acupuncture and massage every week and is now mobile and managing the pain. He is cycling too....obsessed by the tour de france!

 

[kits]

Hello!

Blythe, sucks that hubby is going to need an operation, but I hope it sorts him out good & proper. It's good to hear that he's in such good spirits, back to cycling & that the ACU is working for him. My ACU always tells me that it works so much more effectively when you have a pain & diagnosis that you can target specifically.

I'm so going to start lifting dumbbells. My arms are so weak & flabby. They were starting to get that teeny bit toned while I was spinning, but of course I'm not doing that anymore. I just didn't think doing dumbbells worked, so thanks a lot for that tip!

I have to admit, opk's didn't quite work for me. At least I don't think they did because I had such a funky cycle. But I can totally understand your frustration.

So are you & hubby able to bd? Sounds like it's a good time!!

Briss, I seriously cannot believe all that you go through!! How are your headaches? You have such a strong character to have been able to go through your presentation. I wouldn't have. I would've quit my job, I am horrible at public speaking (straight up phobia) and to have gone through with it the way you did, wow. Loads & loads of

I'm also so sorry you feel you've become a slave to TTC & all you other ladies that do as well. I really, truly hope that good news can come your way, soon.

I know you're also pretty heart broken about your hubby's drinking & not taking his vitamins. Maybe this is the only way he can cope with the situation you're in. From his point of view I can only imagine him feeling less manly. Not that it helps at all.. I've had to preach about the importance of my oh sperm all the time. I think he struggled to see me so upset with our failed attempts that he gave in. But all I could get him to do is take conception pills every now & then plus this powder from protein works. He says it tastes alright so he drank it a lot

https://www.theproteinworks.com/super-greens-2914.html

 

[kits]

Irish, here's the info on the herbs I was taking. Genuinely think my first week batch was the best as I felt very happy & giddy. After she tweaked the formula a bit it didn't have as much affect on giddiness but I'm hoping it still provided good nourishment. Her main points of treatment have always been on my back & head. As she puts it 'need to remove stress, cloudiness & obsession with baby'

OK, here are my Chinese herbs. She told me they're to help with sad & down, bring on AF , overall nourishment.

13.06.14
Sheng di, shan zhu yu, shan yao, fu ling, Tao ren, Hong hua, yi mu cao, chuan xiong, chi shao, Dan shen, xiang fu zi, zhi mu, Huang bai, chai hu.

20.06.14
Then she added the following (to the formula above) because she said my tongue was a bit greasy which she said indicated dampness
Niu zhen zi, xuan shen

I'm totally off herbs now. However my sis is having a few sessions while visiting & she's on what they call 'happy pills', they're little black round pills. Like papaya seeds. She's terrible at taking them on time or regularly so I'm not sure how much of an affect they're having!

Jazzbird may be able to help if you have any questions, although she's due in a few weeks so may not be around as much.

It sucks feel you're not getting results. Do you get needles only on your front? I'm so happy with my new lady. Some of my needles hurt, others don't. She does twist around a couple, but nothing I can't handle. She always uses the heat & does the massage. When it's done I feel total zen heaven.

I've only had one ultrasound last Friday which showed the my uterus had thickened.

I'm going in for a TV scan this Friday where I will hopefully see a sac. Fingers crossed. So far I'm feeling a lot better, more positive with this bean. No extreme pains or discomforts. But enough to let me know something is still occurring. I'm so lazy & sleepy. The weirdest thing I've gotten a couple of cravings for sweet stuff like cake & nougats. I've not given in though!! I've been trying so hard to be healthy!

It's been good to see everyone is back, although I'm very sorry about everything you're all going through.

Loads of

 

[Briss]

Blythe, your arm weights look cute! My Dh got me the ones that you can wear on your hands and ankles. I thought I could do J Fonda class while wearing them. again, all down to motivation. hate myself and yet as soon as I get home I can only manage to get to my sofa, I have not even unpacked yet.

I got myself the second CD with IVF meditation from ZW but I only did it once. it's only 20 min and yet I cant find the time… I need to get more serious about these things I am sure they will make a bit of difference to my stress levels. I used to do fertility yoga at least once a week but found it hard and was never sure I did it correctly. DH was laughing saying my poses look nothing like what the lady was doing on my DVD but still I am sure with time it can get better

agreed, those COQ10s are huge and DH is refusing to take them so luckily we have the solgar brand that I can trick him with. I stoped all vitamins when I was sick and tbh I am still not 100% back to normal and even though I am carrying my vitamin cocktail to work every day I just cant take it, every time I look at them my body tells me it might get sick again

OPKs are hard to read sometimes, I was never 100% sure whether it was a positive. I find it so much easier with CBFM. it's so lovely to see some ewcm, isn't it! makes you feel so much better. This cycle is also weird cos I have no sex drive. it's so unusual for me, by CD8 I am usually struggling with horn but this cycle I do not even think about it, it's so quiet.

I am sorry your DH will have to go through an operation but hopefully this will help and he can go pain free. I so feel for people who have to manage pain all the time, it's just completely different quality of life. I was recovering after a major surgery a few years back and I remember really struggling with constant pain but there was limited number of injections allowed a day. my pain was on at least a few hours before each injection and it was just horrible, I could not think of anything but getting that injection

kits, thanks! my headache is still there but it's not as strong. not sure what's going on tbh. I started checking my blood pressure daily, like an old lady! Good luck with your scan!!

afm, had my acu and Dr E looked disappointed that I was not taking the herbs this cycle but I think he understood I just could not. he said no point taking them now cos their main function is for Cd2-Cd7. I had the usual points. we briefly discussed IVF and he said he has an acu plan for each protocol so depending on that I may need 6-7 sessions throughout the cycle which I am fine with. he also said he does not think I need to take herbs during IVF.

I finally weighted myself and was quite disappointed for obvious reasons.

 

[Briss]

I am devastated, got PEAk this morning on CD9 it's happening again exactly the same thing as last month early O - shorter cycle, my FSH is probably sky high. second cycle in a row what's happening??? this is totally new and so devastating. I cant think of anything I did differently recently except herbs/acu. could they be having a totally different effect and instead pushing me into early menopause? IVF is impossible with such high FSH. I guess all that headache and vomiting was hormones related and something is very wrong. My head is spinning but I cant figure out what's going on

 

[Briss]

One thing that Dr E may not be getting right is the fact that high FSH causes early O and that's a sign of aging. In his view this scenario does not mean that my FSH is age related which was my hope but the more I read the more it seems obvious that that's exactly how aging works and that's what probably happening to me now. ovulation on Cd10 is a serious issue and I am not sure if his herbs are playing their part in this change but I think they are not helping the situation.

" In early perimenopause most women are still ovulating. One of the first changes you might notice is the shortening of your menstrual cycle from an average of 28 to 30 days to an average of 21 to 24 days. During this time the first half of your cycle, the follicular phase, is shrinking from an average of 14 days to just 10. Your ovaries are becoming less sensitive to follicle stimulating hormone or FSH (which stimulates follicles to begin developing and producing oestrogen), so your pituitary gland has to pump out more to get a response. This high FSH level makes you ovulate sooner than before. Shortening of the second half of your cycle, the luteal phase, may follow later in perimenopause. In the end stage of perimenopause, when your ovaries run out of eggs, you’ll stop ovulating altogether and your cycles will lengthen and ultimately cease. "

I think I need to make a decision whether to carry on with Dr E or not. I am very concerned having such high FSH levels when we are hoping for a stim IVF I really do not want to screw it. basically the facts are: I have had regular acupuncture since March so about 4 months. I also had herbs for 3 cycles: (i) 25 days – my short cycle with O on Cd11 which I was hoping to lengthen with TCM; (ii) perfect 27 days cycle with O on CD13; (iii) super short 24 day cycle with O on CD10 – unprecedentedly early even for me; (iv) same as (iii) but no herbs this cycle. Can we draw any conclusion from this? I should think 3 months of herbs and 4 month of acu should make a difference and what I see is the exact opposite of what we were trying to achieve. it's possible that this is just a natural decline in fertility and herbs/acu are not playing any role in it but then if they are not helping do I really need to carry on with it? My fear is that acu/herbs are actually playing some role in this havoc because I TCM just never worked for me and with previous doc I also got short cycles while on herbs but it was a little better in a away that my LP was shorter at 13 days rather than ovulating early. Maybe I am just not suited for TCM? I cant make up my mind cos my instinct is to give up TCM but when I talk to dr E it all seems fine and that we are doing the right thing but then I am always in doubt.

 

[Jazzbird]

Hi Briss - I'm sorry to read your post. I really feel for you - you've been going through this for so long. I doubt very much that herbs/acu are having a detrimental affect. You had 4 cycles, 3 of which were with herbs. The first one you can't count as herbs take time to build up. Second cycle was fantastic. Third cycle was not so great and fourth (without herbs) was not great.

Lifestyle will definitely affect ovulation - there are so many other factors that could increase heat in your body to make you ovulate earlier. Stress at work, working long hours, the stress of finding out OH sperm has not improved. Stress creates stagnation, stagnation creates heat, heat causes premature ovulation. Working long hours burns up yin, lack of yin creates heat.

Have you been taking other supplements or done anything differently in your last 2 cycles? Has anything significant happened to you? I feel it's important to point out that the efficacy of supplements other than chinese herbs should also be considered. I'm always amazed at how many supplements people will take off the internet and not consider that these too might have an adverse effect. It's not just the supplement but the synergistic relationship with other supplements and chinese herbs.

I would have a frank, open and honest discussion with Dr E - tell him you are losing faith in herbs/acu - express how you feel it might even be making your condition worse. Hopefully he can reassure you.

I am so sorry you are struggling so much - it just isn't fair.

 

[Briss]

Jazzbird, thanks for your thought! always appreciate it! I am just so frustrated and lost. whatever I do things are just getting worse. but this is the first time when my cycle is so desperately bad. I was upset that my O moved to CD 11 after I had that bloody lap two years ago but having O at CD 10 is just way too bad. I've been thinking of other factors but tbh I cant think of anything I have not done before. My stress levels have been much better than they were last couple of years cos of my fear of developing thyroid issue I just do not let myself go with emotions as I did in the past and I do regular minis when I feel I am about to explode and it helps so much to calm down. I may have an occasional episode but previously it was a regular thing for me to break down, not anymore. My work hours are really good and have been Ok for over a year now. I also showed my list of supps to dr E and he said nothing on the list looked suspicious and they will work well with his herbs. but tbh, I have not been taking my supps regularly so I do not think they can have any effect. the only new thing was iron which I took for a couple of weeks a month or so ago but doubt it had much effect. I obviously had the procedures last month dummy ET and HSG but I ovulated before that last month and do not think they can affect my FSH levels. I spent about 2 weeks in hot climate but again my first early ovulation was before we went on holiday. and anyway my trip to NZ/Australia did not screw my O like that so a little sun in Europe should not be an issue. I put on a little more weight in the last 2 months but still size 10 (sort of) and not heavier than I was last year. not sure what else?

don't you think my 3rd and 4th months after starting herbs are the months when the herbs should start having the effect? they usually say you will see the results after 3 months so here we are? except for the herbs the only other explanation I can think of is that my body is going into early menopause.

trying to be positive but it's just so hard, I now wish we went on with another IVf privately and sooner rather than waiting for the NHS. With FSh going up so quickly I may have missed my last opportunity … I have 2 more months to have the first child at 38. my chances for the second child just look non existent unless I get pregnant now. I waited and waited patiently for DH's sperm to improve for my FSH levels to go down and things just got worse so seems like all that time was wasted, eggs lost

 

[Jazzbird]

Yes you are right; I would hope to be seeing a difference now with your cycles although you have had a month off herbs. What does Dr E say? I think it's very important for you to discuss timelines especially your concerns regarding making things worse. He most likely won't continue treating you if he doesn't believe that his treatment will work. Did he set a timeframe?

The dummy ET and HSG might have disturbed things - it might be that you had a small infection. I'm not sure if an x ray is considered heat producing in chinese medical terms - but thinking of radiation and it's effect it probably is heat producing.

I remember my cycles improving with acu/herbs but I would still have random long cycles here and there. Cycles do vary and sometimes with no good reason. Perhaps you just had a couple of iffy eggs. I would still hold on to your perfect cycle you had and remember that it is possible - try to focus on that one magic cycle and know your body managed it perfectly.

Do you know for sure your fsh has gone up recently and rapidly or is this based on your ovulation timing? I know it's so so hard but you mustn't draw such devastating conclusions - all it does is send you into depression and panic which will make things worse. I know everyone is different but you are still only 38. You've had a great cycle very recently.

My advice is to speak to dr E very openly and discuss a revised plan of action with a timeline.

I am thinking of you and truly feel for you. It must be like being stuck in a perpetual state of never ending grief.

 

[Blythe]

Briss - sorry to read your post. I know how upsetting it is when our cycles don't do what they usually do....it must be especially upsetting when one follows another. BUT, next cycle could be ok and hell, this cycle could be the one.

i wish i knew enough to give you words of reassurance. As Jazzbird has already said I'm sure Dr E will have something to say and you can then make a decision as to whether to continue or not.

 

[Briss]

Jazzbird, last cycle my FSH was exceptionally high and my estrogen was also uncommonly high and I ovulated early. Dr E said my early ovulation is due to such high FSH. this cycle is exactly the same and even though I did not check my fsh this cycle I am quite sure it's very high. Dr E said his herbs are exactly to treat situations like that when high FSH causes early ovulation but why did it not work last months then? I did not ask cos I just thought it's a one off bad cycle but when the same is happening now I am beginning to think there must be a reason. I am seeing Dr E in a couple of weeks and can ask him but I am sure he will find a way to explain. he was the same with my pre AF spotting, he did not see anything wrong with it even though I am sure it was not nothing. I am glad things improved on this front but frankly I'd swap early O on pre AF spotting any day. I think early O is a far more serious issues particularly when we are doing this treatment specifically to target this issue.

 

[somedayisnow]

I'm trying to be optimistic here but I just got my AMH results back and it's bad. .65 which means I have low ovarian reserve. Not surprising since I'm 41.5 but still saddens me. Sigh. Alrighty then, I'm just going to have to pick myself up and hope for at least one good quality egg to meet one good quality sperm.

 

[smurfy]

I'm trying to be optimistic here but I just got my AMH results back and it's bad. .65 which means I have low ovarian reserve. Not surprising since I'm 41.5 but still saddens me. Sigh. Alrighty then, I'm just going to have to pick myself up and hope for at least one good quality egg to meet one good quality sperm.

Yes it can still happen, how long have you been trying, has your partner been tested also? I am now just half way through IVF. After 4 years or trying and my husband has low sperm count so no other option really

 

[somedayisnow]

I'm trying to be optimistic here but I just got my AMH results back and it's bad. .65 which means I have low ovarian reserve. Not surprising since I'm 41.5 but still saddens me. Sigh. Alrighty then, I'm just going to have to pick myself up and hope for at least one good quality egg to meet one good quality sperm.

Yes it can still happen, how long have you been trying, has your partner been tested also? I am now just half way through IVF. After 4 years or trying and my husband has low sperm count so no other option really

I'm hoping to be a single mom by choice. Just never found my prince charming. He must have taken a wrong turn somewhere. I just now began the whole "get me pregnant before it's really too late" process. I was/am heading towards having an unmedicated IUI using donor sperm in August. IVF really isn't in the cards for me since I can't afford it. I fear what the FSH results will tell me. I just made an appointment for acupuncture hoping that will help.

When you say you're halfway through IVF, what does that mean?

*may baby dust hit us all in the ovaries*