Chinese Accupuncture

[Vonn]

Briss--the leaning backwards forwards test is sometimes referred to as muscle testing or applied kinesiology. I think it came out of TCM originally. Tons of stuff online about it. I think it's really interesting, but never had much luck with it myself. Maybe my qi is blocked.

 

[Briss]

Vonn, I really like your chart, excellent temp rise after O but probably due to synthetic progesterone? sorry to see spotting though. I am sure I have issues with my qi as well, I always self-diagnosed myself with spleen qi deficiency but none of my TCM practitioners saw this as my main deficiency for some reason.

You are so right, there is a whole new world of Kinesiology out there to be discovered. I started reading and got so interested actually. I think more and more about the energy flow within our bodies, not that I understand any of this but I think there is something to it. Have you tried it?

 

[Briss]

I am getting so interested in Muscle Testing aka Kinesiology and all the related stuff such as EFT Tapping. I wonder why I never come across this stuff before. Maybe I did I probably just dismissed it as some sort of "fortune telling" stuff.

Blythe, there is an explanation for the Leaning Forward and Backwards tests in here https://www.eftstatements.com/articles/muscle-testing/ sounds like something that takes a lot of practice before you can actually rely on getting the right response.

I like these rules, particularly the second one - Three rules of the subconscious mind include:
1. Personal. It only understands “I,” “me,” “myself.” First person.
2. Positive. The subconscious does not hear the word “no.” When you say, “I am not going to eat that piece of cake,” the sub-conscious mind hears “Yummm! Cake! I am going to eat a piece of that cake!”
3. Present time. Time does not exist for the subconscious. The only time it knows is “now,” present time. “I’m going to start my diet tomorrow.” “Tomorrow” never comes thus the diet is never started.

I looked into high frequency/life force foods but here comes the wheatgrass all over again, cant do this anymore. Happy to stuff myself with pineapples though

 

[Blythe]

As far as i am concerned if you don't have a good feeling about a food/supplement/drink etc then it becomes low frequency!! I have to say i did not like my old wheatgrass powder so didn't really want to take that but i did buy this at the weekend:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TERRANOVA-Green-Purity-Super-Blend-40g/dp/B00D8W04J4

and its fairly tasteless. Suggested dose is only 1/2 teaspoon so i mixed with water for a shot and I'm happy to do that when i remember.

With the backwards/forwards thing she also tried it with me putting my arm straight out in front and her pushing against it but the other way was easier for me to notice which had the stronger pull. I have read about kinesiology before but i never paid much attention...i will check those links.

i purposely went out today at lunch and took my glasses off and looked towards the sun.....ouch! my eyes were really watering. I thought about it and really i never go out without glasses/contacts and all week days i am in a building between 7-5 and then on a tube and back in another building so have not really exposed my eyes for years. I am going to do it whenever practical and see if i feel a difference.

i just had another nutribullet smoothie...almond milk [i am going to be using hemp milk from now on as apparently lists of almond milks are make using rice [low frequency food]], almond butter, coconut oil, frozen berries, chia seeds and it was really really delicious. i could easily have these in place of chocolate!

i love my back massager and you have reminded me that i have not used it for months! its coming out of retirement this evening as is the foot massager

 

[Briss]

Blythe, I did the same thing today but not starting directly at the sun – cannot do this and am really scared I will burn my retina, just looking at the day light was more than I could bear.

That smoothie sounds really good. I read that all frozen foods are low frequency? what about chia seeds? I do like them cos they do not taste of anything and go well with everything

 

[Blythe]

i don't think staring at the sun is a good thing to do but looking in that general direction is ok. I think i just wanted to expose my eyes to it to see what it felt like. i was reading something else today about exposing eyes/skin to the sun and was inspired. It really has made me think about my lifestyle and even when i am being fit i am doing that in a gym or front room so i really want to try and make an effort to get out there in nature and all that.

you are right about frozen stuff but it is fruit i have frozen rather than factory stuff. I have decided that i will incorporate as much as these foods as i can and make it work for me and my own likes. in fact the smoothie would have been fine with fruit that had not been frozen as it was quite lumpy and really freezing [obviously!].

 

[Vonn]

Blythe--that smoothie sounds great! My blender motor just died last night while trying to make a smoothie with wheatgrass. That stuff is really awful tasting!

Briss--I am also intrigued by muscle testing, but haven't really used it. I was first told about it by a work colleague. She uses it to help her make decisions, both personal & practical. Like hold 2 different moisturizers up to her chest and muscle test them to know which to buy. I thought it was totally bizarro. How can your body know if Neutrogena or Olay is better?

I briefly tried it while trying to figure out if DH was ever going to propose, but my body didn't really respond. I did not try to train it/prep it though, so I wasn't kidding that my blocked qi may be the problem!

Here's another decent explanation: https://www.goodhealthinfo.net/herbalists/muscle_testing.htm

Thanks for checking out my chart. The first temp jump is me, but the continued climb is all progesterone. I am SOOOO bummed about my spotting. It's early. For the last 2 months it's started on 9 DPO, this was 6 DPO. Going in the wrong direction...

 

[Briss]

Vonn, I was told that you can get spotting from too much progesterone. sounds strange but apparently it happens.

What about tzatziki and hummus? are they high frequency or low? I started buying them for dinner with celery sticks and cucumbers. I am just so lazy to make anything for dinner

 

[alison29]

Thanks guys for the info! I am so sorry i just read these posts. I am getting just TSH tested but will look into getting a more thorough panel soon. I can almost guess TSH will be nromal. I do have other hypothyroid symptoms I really wish she would have been more thorough. It turns out I have seborhhic dermatitis on my head. This explains alot of the hair loss she said. I definitely don't look like i am going bald she says! But my pony tail is so much small then it used to be.

So vonn was your TSH abnormal or was it normal and you had to rely on the other parameters for your diagnosis?

 

[kits]

Hiya ladies,

Just wanted to their a couple of things in there..

Organic maca powder is good for hormones and female fertility in smoothies. I used to always throw goji berries, kept stashes of pumpkin seeds to randomly throw in and would even throw this nasty paste but can't remember what it is atm.

A great very to throw in smoothies is spinach because you can't really taste it. Beetroot is also pretty awesome for you but does have a stronger taste so needs avocado or banana to help it.

Too much blueberries or strawberries can make the smoothie jelly like, if it happens it's not bad but just means you'll have to have it with a spoon, heh.

My favorite concoctions consisted of
Loads of spinach
Beetroot
Bit of banana
Half a mango
Half a papaya (the little ones)
About 10 or so almonds
Maca powder
A good tablespoon of goji berries

And water, can't say I was a fan of having it with milks.

I'd also throw in wheatgerm & semolina which always made them a very fun color, heh. But if tread these 2 a little more carefully as the semolina especially has a ridiculously strong flavor!

I'd have them all day everyday & as Blythe probably knows now, the nutribullet is so simple to keep clean.

However, I did struggle (nausea wise) a little bit at first as I wasn't washing the fruit & veg too well, so after a bit of research I learned it had more to do with pesticides, etc so I started washing things like the spinach & broccoli in a bit of cider vinegar & felt fantastic for it.

I'm a major advocate for the nutribullet & smoothies. I don't care what fitness people say about eating too much fruit, there's just so much goodness in them. Plus, when you're having it with so much veg I can't fault it.

Sorry for always going off on a tangent, I just really love this topic, especially loved the buzz I'd get for feeling so good & healthy.

I was going to say a lot more stuff but I've completely forgotten by now

Lots of hugs, always wishing you all the very best.

 

[kits]

Oh yea, during one of the presentations I participated in the dude mentioned looking up too. But he didn't suggest the sun, heh. That must've been painful!

What he'd tell clients was to count chimneys. Apparently the result between those who did vs those who didn't was quite significant. I'd try it but I'm stupidly clumsy (apparently another symptom not being that healthy).

One thing I do is park that tiny bit further, but not sure how that'd work for you London ladies.

Ok, I'll shut up now...

 

[kits]

Last thing, about the nutribullet.. I don't care what the recipes or books say about throwing on fruit skins, etc in.. That just makes the drink way too difficult to drink add they can be quite strong*!!!

*=putting it mildly

 

[Briss]

for some reason it's just getting worse and I am feeling more depressed every day. this morning I discovered all too familiar itching down there, can this be that bloody herpes all over again? it's the same place and the same feeling. I am so angry the lab messed up my tests last time so it was never confirmed and I do not even know if it is in fact herpes or something else??

I check my facebook page daily mainly because I ditched most of my friends (they all have children and/or grandchildren and it's become unbearable) but I do like to check what they are all up to at least via facebook if not in person. but every now and then I come across baby/children related posts and it makes me feel so lost in this life, so inadequate. I feel like I am in prison serving a sentence actually because I have no life, I work and I TTC, that's all I do while everyone else seems to be moving on with their lives. I am stuck. Had an argument with DH this morning because I do blame him for possibly giving me herpes and when he said he was not sure about IVf anymore I just lost it cos that's all I live for, our next IVf our only hope…

 

[alison29]

Briss he was probably using that as ammunition/a pawn in your argument because he was feeling bad about the herpes thing. There is no way he would want to give up now especially after all that healthy life style change and meditating. You are finding a way to do it more cheaply that should really satisfy him.

 

[alison29]

Stop looking at facebook! Which is more like bragbook in my opinion. You have no idea of what the real story is in people's lives they just put the best pictures etc on there. My sister is the worst about it posts all the time with pics of herself but won't post a family pic where everyone else looks good but her arm looks "fat".

Sorry about the itching possible outbreak.

 

[Vonn]

Briss--You poor thing! I agree with Alison that Facebook is probably not helping. It's so idealized that it likely just makes you feel worse. But you do need to maintain contact with people who know you and care about you. You def have your online family here, but I don't think it should replace all personal contact. Do you have a couple friends you could reach out to and be honest with? That you miss their companionship, but can't bear to hear about kids all the time? Perhaps you could make a pact that you won't talk about LTTTC & they won't talk about babies? You could center your time together around an activity, knitting or taking an art class, or something like that. Or, perhaps a therapist would help? You might be clinically depressed, which no one should be ashamed of getting help for.

Alison--Yes, I am one of those unlucky people whose lab numbers are more moderate than my symptoms would indicate. Others have terrible numbers but no symptoms. My TSH was 5 & both T4 and T3 were borderline low. I only had my Reverse T3 tested once (hard to find labs/Drs that will test it), but my RT3/Free T3 ratio was not good. My numbers have improved as have many symptoms since going on Nature-Throid and a slate of other pills--but not everything. Dr won't increase anymore because she thinks my TSH is too low. She thinks maybe something else is causing the thyroid to be underactive. So the tests continue.

Sorry for rambling on about this. I can never seem to be brief about it. I've read too much & spent too much time thinking about it all. (Briss--I think we are similar in this regard.) I need to work on NOT focusing on it all so much!

Never heard of getting light without contacts or glasses. I wonder what the science is behind it? I am blind as can be without lenses, so I'd have to step out on my patio first thing in the morning. I know I won't be doing that at least 5 months out of the year. Winters here are looooong and brutal!

 

[Briss]

was reading this article on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24725655 a lady said something that I felt was exactly how I feel about TTC and infertility " When people ask me about the worst part of infertility, I tell them it's the silence - they take that to mean that nobody talks about it and that is partly true, but for me, it's the silence which comes from the isolation and the lost friends who have moved on and had children. I no longer have anything in common with my peers. My mother-in-law recently told me that life goes on and it does go on around me, but life also stops with me - where there are no children, there are no grandchildren, no-one to care in later life, no legacy and that is silence which terrifies me "

that's a good one as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29722267 but probably too late for me

Vonn, I had two friends that were LTTTC and I could talk to them (not as openly as I talk here but still), both are pregnant now so that's the end of our friendship. I am really happy for them, they deserve it but it's hard for me cos it reminds me of what should have happened to me. even when we do not discuss their pregnancies it's the mere fact that they are going to have babies while I carry on struggling that's making me sad and hard to see them.

I do not like people who hide behind " clinically depressed " mask, we all have tragedies and stressful situations in our life and my thinking is that you should deal with it. I do not know many people who have gone through what I had to go through in my life (hence turning grey before my time) and I naturally tend to be negative (although that's how other people see me, I see myself as a realist if I am honest) because that's been my life experience but I do tend to overcome my issues and move on because most things can be dealt with if you persevere. Unfortunately getting pregnant is an exception. your efforts are not always getting you the results and on the contrary people who do not want children get pregnant easily. it's very random, that's why it's very hard to deal with, particularly long term, I am talking years. There aren't that many people who really have serious psychological conditions and are truly clinically depressed. just take my colleague who recently resigned for example, she could not cope with the pressure of working in the City, a very bright girl, oxford graduate, very intelligent and now on some antidepressants. that's the worst thing ever. instead of dealing with her issues and trying to find a way to cope, the doctors just labelled her as clinically depressed and put her on antidepressants because that's what they do. there is no way out of this, this medication is not helping anything. so no, I do not agree about being clinically depressed. I am very sad and angry about my situation that's true but this is because my circumstances are such. Only a person for whom having children is not really a big deal in life and in effect a question of quality of life rather than life/death issue can live my life without feeling that sad. But you are right I do have very good friends here, at least in that I am fortunate

alison, I do not join many people on FB only the ones I know really well so I could keep in touch but it's getting harder and harder.

just had my scan at the Gynaecology Ultrasound Center. Am so impressed with Davor Jurkovic! he really knows how and where to look. No one ever did a scan so thoroughly. He practically looked everywhere even my bowels, no stone left unturned quite literally, he even showed me a place where the needle went into my ovary! impressive. he also said that my cyst on the right is most likely endometriosis - even when I had lap they did not find that! the good news is that everything else looks as it should so I am officially good to go for IVF. he also said rather depressingly that bleedings like mine happen 2-3 time a year in London

 

[Blythe]

I don't like FB...i deactivated my account along time ago. There is nothing more tiresome than people posting about their children.....

I'm so sorry you are feeling rotten...but very happy to see that your scan went well. This doctor sounds great....it is amazing that they are able to decipher those blurred images you get on the screen. it all looks the same to me.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, it was incredible. this doc was moving it around showing me different bits, it's the first time I saw my uterus not as a line but in full view, it's beautiful! he also showed how to see if there are any polyps in there, you just follow the line and if it does not break it means the lining is good and there is nothing abnormal. he also was pressing on my tummy and I could see my ovaries moving, unbelievable! a slight pressure has dramatic effect on the ovary it moves a lot, and my right one did not move as much and it's because of the cyst apparently so he said it must be endometriosis. I mean it's shocking cos I had lap where they could actually see the cyst and they still did not diagnose it as endo. and he also said that it's possible my right ovary is not functioning well because of the cyst but he did not think any treatment would help here. anyway he literally looked everywhere and there was no blood and no adhesions so i am happy about it. I am lucky insurance is paying for this but next time I need a scan that's the [lace I am going to. I do not mean IVF scans these are easy just observing follicles and lining but when you really need to understand what's going on inside.

I am afraid if I deactivate my FB account I will be cut off from everyone I know because I rarely see anyone in person these days...

 

[Hope3]

Briss I have to say I admire your determination to keep going in the face of so many disappointments. I feel angry for you and others who fill their bodies with every supplement and organic superfood going in the vain hope that it will shift the balance when others don't have to try anyway near as hard. I really hope this latest round works for you.

I can relate to your earlier comment about all work & ttc. I feel as if ttc has taken over my identity. I'm no longer bubbly & energetic. I'm sad most of the time. My job as a teacher is all consuming and I don't see friends that often. I resent the fact that on my pay I can't afford private ivf. With unexplained infertility there's nothing to do but keep trying which means a never ending cycle of faint hope & crushing disappointment.

I'm going to the Fertility Show next weekend. Never been before so I hope to get some answers.

Thanks for sharing so openly and honestly, especially the research.