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He says I do everything for other people. Never think about myself and what I want... I didn't realise that was a bad thing. I make life too easy for him. He says he gets away with everything because i let him and there are never any consequences.... Isn't that the point of married life?! I'm going to fight to the end to work things out. I just he's as committed. :hug: xx
 
:hi: girls hope your all well afm 13dpo today going to test Tuesday if no af fx the witch stays away its my birthday tomorrow wooopp love prezzies haha x x x
 
Oh Jess. That's horrible. It's like he's saying you make life easy and I want a fight. And you let me get away with murder so it's your fault I am cheating. I mean maybe he is not but that's what it sounds like. What a bum. Good girl fighting to save it, but remember it takes two. He has to he willing to save it too.

On the house, I think it's busy all the time really. I will get pics up in a min. Or a link, rather bc I am on my ipod
 
Weird Jess! Ok so you are a self sacrificing softie kind person and he doesn't like that? Well you have probably always been that way so why now does he hate it? You are standing up for yourself now tho. That's good.
 
https://www.utahrealestate.com/repo...ort/detailed/listno/1062935/scroll_to/1062935
 
That's the person he fell in love with Jess. To blame parts of your personality for his selfish behaviour is really low!

I know you don't want Lili to go through a break up but I'll give you a perspective from te other side- my mum stayed with my dad far longer than she should because of me and it was such an unhappy home because she didn't love him. I was so much happier when they split!

I know you want to fight for this Jess but can you handle him not even sacrificing her for you? How will you cope when you know he is away with her? And I mean day-to-day seriously how would you be ok with him having still gone away with her while you're stuck at home taking care of his daughter!? I honestly think letting him go and still being there when he gets back will not make him respect you. I would say he either cancels or fucks off. If he goes he'll either realise his mistake in time, beg for forgiveness and THEN you could work it out- or if he doesn't then he is no longer the person you were married to.

I know you don't want to lose him but you've got to protect your heart sweetheart xxx
 
Chell- that house is really pretty! It looks like a proper American picket-fence house! Like out of Desperate Housewives!! :lol: The road would put me off though. I'd be too afraid Ben or one of the dogs would run out of the front door xxx
 
Yeah I know. That is a valid concern.

Jess I have to agree with Lou. :( my sister was in a very unhappy marriage and her husband was cheating on her for years. He said he fell out of love with her. She tried to make it work for the kids and just got really really depressed. It was getting very bad. Once they split she was so much happier and looked back on it wondering why she stayed as he continued to cheat. Now she is very happy on her second marriage with a man that is very in love with her. I mean you could work it out, but like I said, it takes two
 
Hi Ladies,
Was working today so just catching up!
Jess - maybe he is saying you let him get away with everything because he feels guilty and think you should have kicked him out already? Maybe if you show determination to have him out he will fight for it more (strange reverse psychology but a lot of people function like that)
I agree with the others, a "pretend" family is definitely not better than having parents that are separated. Especially with your daughter so young, it would actually be better to sort if now rather than later when it will be harder for her to adapt.
Like you, I think he has cheated... a man doesn't provoke a break up or suggest councelling or knows that he does not want to be with you like that... he has clearly thought about all that and very few men will break up a relationship unless they have someone else to fall back on (if they are unhappy then tend to make your life a misery so You make the decision to break up and not them)
You won't be able to cope if he goes away with her, surely there are other producers he can work with??It is a lot of money but is it vital for your daily survival? if you can survive without it, he shouldn't go, no matter how much he is loosing out money wise!
When is his next travel?
I wonder what the councellor will say....
 
Chell the house and the back yard are great and what an amazingly low price! BUT noway you wanna Live on a busy main traffic line street. I always drive by nice houses on main thoroughfares and sort of shake my head thinking why would anyone wAnt to live right there???
 
Yeah...We're weighing the pros and cons... I grew up behind a busy road growing up, so the noise isn't bad for me, and safety isn't too big of a concern since there's a fenced backyard that we would put locks on...but those are a huge deal to Lars. It's just so hard bc we could buy a fixer-upper somewhere else, but most here are either short sales or need extensive repairs. There are new houses, but I'm not a fan of stock-homes. Builder grade homes are not attractive to us. We are so ready to buy a house right now and not willing to wait; as we want to be in a house before Christmas. Problem is, the housing options here are nothing amazing. There are very few houses that fit our qualifications for our price range. We found an amazing house by my parents...that was cheap but livable, and obviously we could upgrade later...but it was 1300 sq ft. How can I raise 3 kids comfortably (plus add one more hopefully soon) in that? I mean, we'd have to dump half of our furniture right now because we live in a 2000 sq ft home, and that house had small stairwells and no room for a kitchen table nor two living rooms.

At the cape cod home, the noise in the backyard is still pretty bad, though. I do agree. Not that it bothers me too much, but home SHOULD be a sanctuary and if my husband cannot feel that there, then maybe I do have to say goodbye to it.
 
Chell, I'll look at the house in a minute... It's a tough call but I'd say location is as important as the actual house. A super big all singing house won't make you happy if you get pissed off listening to traffic in your garden or stressed every time you need to get off the drive! :shrug:

Jess :hugs: I'm quite sure you are a wonderful, giving, selfless person. We all know that, and love you for it. The charity things etc you do are amazing, and yes you should spend some more time on you. But to use that as a reason not to be with you or to look elsewhere is so low. Seriously. Not on. He should love that about you and maybe offer to take care of Lili so you can have some you time. Not what he has been doing.

I think many people have stories of parents divorcing, mine did when I was thirteen after my mum had a sort-of affair, with my dads friend. Nice. Needless to say it kind of ripped our family apart. She barely sees/speaks to my brother, my dad can only now just about look vaguely in her direction, and obviously it was a huge mistake. The friend split with his wife to be with my mum, it didn't last long and caused a whole lot of anger and upset.
They both did it to escape from their relationships.

Anyway, my point I guess Is that if you are going to split, which I know is not what you want, to do it while lili is so young, and to do it amicably is probably the best way to do it.

I know you are pinning your hopes on counselling, and I do undersand that, but try and think about the other option. I know you don't want to :hugs: but you WOULD be ok. You really would. It would take time and be heartbreaking, but it may be the best option. I'm sorry I know this is not what you want to hear.

For now, I'd say be tough with Joe. Tell him matter of factly what you want, what you want from the counselling and try and be really strong. I know it's so hard, but show him you are tough and not a walkover and he doesn't get to hurt you and walk away.

As for whether he's cheated or just has feelings, I'm sure it will come out in the end. I think you probably know, from what he's said and whether you believe him. whichever way it is, he shouldn't have gone to someone else for a way out, he should have come to you and addressed this long ago when he first felt you were drifting. But hey, how many people do that right?

We are with you whatever you decide to do. And right now you want to make it work so we are going to support you in that. If you change your mind so do we :D
First thing is get tough with him. He IS NOT your life. YOU and lili are all you NEED. he is an extra that you want around, so look at it like that instead of thinking your works will fall apart without him. Ok? Good. :D

Love you x x x :hugs:

Ps is my tough-love ok? :haha:
 
Here's the other option....a newer builder grade home....and the smaller one close to my parent's.

https://www.utahrealestate.com/repo...ort/detailed/listno/1060142/scroll_to/1060142

https://www.utahrealestate.com/repo...ort/detailed/listno/1014503/scroll_to/1014503
 
Chell the busy street one looks lovely!

The first of Those others (w nibley?) looks quite big? The second one does look quite small...

What's the Xmas rush? I thought you didn't need to move really quick?

X x x
 
The house is really nice, but what are cons for you might be cons for other people too so bare that in mind.. are you buying to stay? to sell for more? etc... Cause if you want to re-sell the road might mean that the price might never go more than a certain price, but if you are planning on staying a long time it might not be such an issue.
Plus you said there are options to expend it so that might help raise some value if you need.

Oh god I feel sick... really really nearly was ill... got so bloated and nauseous... should NEVER have had a yogurt (why is it setting me off I have NO idea)... had to sleep it off for a couple of hours and woke up feeling like I had horrible acid in my mouth....
I guess this is just the beginning... working all day definitely hasn't help, more craps too.... i guess tiredness can make you feel worse?
 
Hmm, Chell... I wish I had some good advice on that house, but I'd honestly go for it, lol. I'm so desperate to own a house and won't be able to afford one in the forseeable future and that looks like a DREAM inside. The street in front of my house can get pretty busy.. people drive crazy fast down it. But it doesn't bother us at all, it quiets down at night, our bedrooms are in the back, etc.
I guess it depends on your definition of busy too though. I would hate to have to back out into traffic every day. Would you guys have the money/desire/space to make the front drive circular?

Jess - I'm glad you're getting mad. I agree with the other girls here, its total BS for him to put the blame on you!
 
(PS Suz... you wrote your post while I was in the middle of writing mine (with lots of distractions from Daniel so it took a while) when I hit enter, I was like 'whoah, I didn't realize I wrote so much' lol.. I basically assumed a giant post MUST be from me :rofl:)
 

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