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Also I know a lot of the women at my AP group didn't vaccinate, and they are the type to research everything and really look into stuff before making decisions. So I guess I kind of think they haven't done it or delayed it for a reason - but I'm still not clear what that reason is!!

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[babyloulou]

You mean tetanus passes from those things Suz? Is that what you mean? It can be passed from loads more than that (even when only originated from those sources!) it could come from cat or dogs paws trampling the germ through through the house, or from a nail sticking out a piece of household furniture? An old cot, or something even?

I'm on board with the tetanus thing as my Aunty (Dad's sister was infected at the age of 11 from an accident at school where she cut herself) - she ended up with severe blood poisoning- she then had no immune system and just fell apart- she got TB of the spine and septicaemia! Her spine has gradually crumbled over the years and she's 4ft 9in now (she was 5ft 8in at 17 years old) I was given a tetanus jab straight after birth (she carried some weird by-passed virus from it) and a full TB jab when I was one as she was high-risk!

 

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Oh one last thing and I'm really going to sleep!

Sammuel started saying bye bye and waving at the same time! So cute - its more like 'ba-ba' must get a video of that and waking!

Ok night :wave:

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I don't know Lou, it was just something that was said today in a conversation I wasn't really in properly as I was leaving!! see I really haven't researched

That's scary about your aunt

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[babyloulou]

Also I know a lot of the women at my AP group didn't vaccinate, and they are the type to research everything and really look into stuff before making decisions. So I guess I kind of think they haven't done it or delayed it for a reason - but I'm still not clear what that reason is!!

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See I am on board with all of natural parenting except this I don't agree with people not vaccinating at all. It's a scary thing and I can understand why people decide to not subject their children to the drugs BUT the only reason they get away with that is because of 'herd immunity'. If all the other parents didn't immunise then it wouldn't be safe for the non-immunised children at all! I can see why they choose not to after researching but basically they are riding on the coat tails of the non-natural parents who do immunise!!

(sorry- it's a strong subject for me! I had two little girls in my last special needs primary transfer class before maternity leave that had been left severely disabled by measles! One had been immunised but had caught the measles of a child who hadn't been (and who had died) - the other little girl had never been immunised (she was from a traveller family)

To me the slight risks of the jabs (which I don't actually think I believe in) are far outweighed by the risks of the illnesses (of which I have seen evidence!) I was hospitalised with measles when I was younger too! And chickenpox. I was in for 6 weeks with measles! Now I admit I was an unhealthy baby but still it is a very, very nasty disease!! The only reason its not feared anymore is because people immunising have controlled it!!

I'd love to not subject Ben to the drugs and keep him "pure" but I don't think it's fair on the other kids in the community who have immunised as we'd be relying on them for Ben not catching the disease and yet exposing them to an un-immunised person at the same time :-/

 

[babyloulou]

(just to add I know I don't get that forcefully opinionated very often- sorry I have a friend who hasn't immunised and I still love her so I'll still love you if you decide not to Suz!! I'm still in two minds about the delaying thing myself....) xxx

 

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I totally understand Lou I'm pretty opinionated about a lot of stuff too

I am 99% sure we are going to do it, but I do think we'll delay, only very slightly by a couple of weeks so he's not having all the jabs at the same time.

I asked in the natural parenting group on fb and a couple of people knew babies who died from preventable diseases and that is really scary and there's no convincing argument I've heard against them.

I guess it's just that when people ask me about something I like to be able to back my decision 100%, like BF or cloth or co sleeping I can bat away any argument about those... I couldn't do the same for choosing to immunise if the other person has more information than me. But that's not a reason not to do it

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[Euronova]

Tetanus is in dirt so it's everywhere!
My parents are both doctors and they are very hot on reading all the latest stuff. For example there is this big thing in France with scans and apparently they are really bad for the baby it turns so they should be kept really short, no 3D, no video... Mine was nearly 20 min long and they kept saying how bad it is... What am I suppoed to do now? Here they din't worry about it and it's done now!
Anyway, they are particularly interested in vaccines as they have 6 grand children and their conclusion is do it! In Framce they separate the vaccines.

 

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I wish they'd separate them here too. Putting all those drugs in a tiny body at once is scary

I do think scans should be kept to a minimum as I'm not sure we truly know if they cause any damage. But an nhs 20week scan is 20 mins I think anyway.

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[babyloulou]

What do they say the scans do V? I has loads of extra scans with Ben (3 extra on top of my NHS two) and one of those was a 4D scan

 

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Lou nothing is proven and I think it's more that we just don't know. 2 people I know had no scans at all

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I think some people say scans can make baby left handed?!

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[babyloulou]

WTF??? How???

 

[Euronova]

LOL, they have proven his studies in France that the radiations are not good especially in the first 3 months, a bit like x-ray would mess with the baby's cell and create prob like cancer or auto-immune diseases... but it's prob extremely rare
They also had a study of women at risk of pre-term labour and those who had scans on a regular basis to monitor the baby went actually in labour earlier than those just left to be monitored without scans...
Anyway, it's all prob just a tiny risk and we prob do more harm having mobile phones in our pockets etc... God... i am not even getting on about my dad going on about my phone being in my jacket pocket too close to the baby...
Basically it will be a miracle if my baby hasn't got about 3 heads and 30 toes.... PFFF....
not having a good day... feeling totally overwhelmed about everything..

 

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what's up v?

Lou https://www.anythinglefthanded.co.uk/research/left-handed-research-current.html#4 click on the bit where it says about scans and it takes you down to the right bit. I haven't actually read it!

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[Euronova]

i really don't think the left handed thing is true... but then who knows...

I am just trying to sort all the stuff we need to pay for, the hospital deposit (£3500), the wedding reception deposit (£1000), all of the other expenses... we are renovating the garage, getting new double glazing upstairs, I wonder if i should sign up for 10 weeks of Yoga after the first 6... could I afford a doula?
Just everything seems to be so complicated and everything is so different in England as to France... you don't need a doula if you are allowed to do your labour in hospital with not only midwifes but doctors at hand and you also have 4 days to recuperate and be shown how to breast feed etc... then there is the fact that when you go overdue in France you get monitored in hospital every other day, the fact that in France they check your cervix at each monthly appt to make sure it's not incompetent and you are not going into labour early (instead of realising once it's too late here)... it's just all these informations that my family, friends, people are bombarding me with, some saying epidural is wonderful, others saying it will impair the baby's breathing.... I just feel completely lost...
Just probably one of those hormonal days.... i think it's a bit like your vaccine questions, I just don;t know what to think anymore and panicking

 

[Euronova]

Just spent the last 2 hours compiling a list of songs to play to my belly and later on to the baby to sleep. I am not overly keen on traditional lullabies and found some really great old school jazz or more modern really soothing songs...
If any of you wants the list, let me know
Feeling less stressed now... going to have a bath and try to stop stressing myself out.. I think I am definitely having a hormonal day!

 

[TySonNMe]

Hey girls...just to chime in on the vaccinations debate. We did a delayed schedule for Jax. When he first started getting shots, it was one at a time. I took him back every week or two to get the next shot to make sure he didn't havea negative reaction to a particular vaccine. Now he's all caught up, but he's never had more than 2 at a time. It is very scary though.

 

[Euronova]

One argument against spreading the vaccines is that actually sometime it's not the virus that is the worse, it's the chemicals they put with it to stabilise them. Some even contain small doses of mercury. So the more individual vaccines, the more crap injected with them.... You can't win...
I have no idea what i would do... even for my dogs i had the issue.... my breed is sensitive to auto immune disease and they can be triggered by vaccines... so all we did is vaccinated 2 weeks later than other pups and we did spread the injections that are not packaged together anyway...

 

[TySonNMe]

Yeah, many of the vaccines now thimerosol free (no mercury), but you can ask your doc to be sure.