Helping milk to come in faster

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Any tips? Last time it took like 5 days. My son was jaundice and 10 pounds so it was a bad mix, he was too sleepy to nurse therefore couldn't bring my milk in, therefore couldn't flush out the jaundice, therefore increasingly sleepy, bad bad cycle. Anyway I'm taking my pump this time to pump after feeds to help stimulate it. Anything else you can do?
 
Following since I need to know too. I delivered two days ago and I haven't had anything come in and he has jaundice. We had to start some formula to get his blood sugar up and flush out the jaundice. I will continue to use the hospital pump every couple hours to stimulate something.
 
Good luck Hun and don't feel bad about using formula I wish I had listened and did it sooner. We ended up in the hospital for a week because I didnt
 
Im not sure there are really ways to speed up the milk coming in. I mean, once the milk is actually in there are a plethora of ways to increase supply but as far as getting it in earlier, the only real literature ive come across for such is avoiding induction, augmentation or CS as ive read that can delay milk coming in. But that's all and isn't conclusive for everyone. (it also doesn't mean it will be delayed if you do these things either but it is a risk factor). Skin to skin as much as possibly immediately after giving birth could help and keeping fluids/calories up during labor and post labor may (more than just what you get from the IV). Possibly doing skin to skin AND pumping? Making sure all of the placenta is expelled (progesterone plummets once the placenta is fully out of the body. In order for prolactin to rise progesterone has to be in very very small amounts in the body. Prolactin creates milk. PRogesterone hinders prolactin levels). But otherwise i havn't personally read much pertaining to this.

If you do end up having to use formula, just make sure you are hand expressing/pumping/nursing on top of giving the formula. Formula isn't evil, but there is a way to do it to make sure your supply comes in fully to meet the demand and/or doesn't drop, even if LO isn't feeding so well.

(DS2 was jaundiced and he was impossible to wake up! even ice didn't phase him any1)
Jaundice isn't uncommon but not waiting for the baby to pick their birth date can increase the risk of becoming jaundiced as well, so trying to avoid factors that could birth the baby before the baby decides could decrease incidence of jaundice which could help avoid the issue, however, babies born without induction/augmentation/CS, etc can become jaundice too, so it's really not conclusive or guranteed.
 
I honestly don't know, sorry. I had an emcs and my milk came in on day 3, I don't know if it was luck or the fact that he 'fed' (or suckled) almost constantly until it did come in, and I mean 22 hours out of a 24 hour period :shrug:
 
Nurse, nurse, and nurse! Really there isn't much you can do, did you have a csection, or a natural birth or medicated birth? they say natural births promote the faster milk production, where as a csection and medicated birth, cause unnatural stress on your body and can delay milk production.
 
Following since I need to know too. I delivered two days ago and I haven't had anything come in and he has jaundice. We had to start some formula to get his blood sugar up and flush out the jaundice. I will continue to use the hospital pump every couple hours to stimulate something.

3-5 days is average for milk to come in, BUT, colostrum will help with jaundice and is just as healthy for them, so nurse nurse and nurse.
 
https://breastfeeding.about.com/od/babyhealthissues/a/bfjaundice.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/colostrum.htm

"Newborns have very small digestive systems, and colostrum delivers its nutrients in a very concentrated low-volume form.

It has a mild laxative effect, encouraging the passing of the baby's first stool, which is called meconium.

This clears excess bilirubin, a waste product of dead red blood cells which is produced in large quantities at birth due to blood volume reduction, from the infant's body and helps prevent jaundice. Colostrum contains large numbers of antibodies called "secretory immunoglobulin" (IgA) that help protect the mucous membranes in the throat, lungs, and intestines of the infant
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https://www.bestforbabes.org/fast-facts-how-to-deal-with-common-breastfeeding-issues


"Common Breastfeeding Issues

Jaundice

**We start with jaundice because it is a well-known newborn condition that can really shake the boat of new parent bliss. (Others include: maternal fever, sore nipples, breast implants and reductions, baby’s low blood sugar (hypoglycemia), and insufficient milk supply, and we will cover these later so keep checking back!) In fact, jaundice gets a “bad rap” as being an undesirable result of breastfeeding, and therefore, often results in replacing breastfeeding with formula, partially, or even completely. Lots of myth and misguided advice surround how to avoid and treat jaundice. Here we give you the information and the tools to navigate your way safely through this condition, should it arise.

What is jaundice? Most jaundice is a normal newborn process experienced by about 60% of all healthy newborns (MacMahon et al, 1998) and and does not usually require formula supplementation or that breastfeeding be interrupted. ( AAP,2004). See www.aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;114/1/297 and our section Supplementing below. Jaundice is not considered dangerous to your baby in its non-severe form. Jaundice is a yellow coloring of the skin and whites of the eyes caused by a build up of bilirubin (a breakdown product of excess red blood cells) in the blood, usually appearing during baby’s first 2 to 5 days of life. It typically clears on its own in about a week through frequent (at least 8-10 times per day) breastfeeding which causes your baby to stool and eliminate the bilirubin from its body.

What can I do to prevent severe jaundice? In most cases, jaundice levels can be kept within the normal range by following the basic steps to successful breastfeeding: initiating breastfeeding within the first hour of baby’s birth, feeding the baby on cue (this means “baby-led,” frequent and unscheduled feedings — at least 8-10 times per 24 hours), keeping baby with you during your hospital stay, and lots of skin-to-skin contact. Make sure your baby is really swallowing as frequent breastfeeding will not lower bilirubin levels unless the baby is actually taking in colostrum and milk. If you are not sure that the baby is swallowing, get the hospital IBCLC (Internationally Board Certified Lactation Consultant) or a private LC to observe a feeding. See our Get Your Best Game On Game Plan for more details on how to get breastfeeding off to a great start.

Are there any special risk factors for jaundice I should know about? YES.

Babies who are not latched well are at an increased risk for developing higher jaundice levels because they are not transferring, or getting enough, milk. To make sure the baby is latched correctly (corner of mouth open 160 degrees), and is really swallowing colostrum, you can listen for the swallow, or look for the baby’s jaw to drop and hold for a fraction of a second. If you cannot tell whether the baby is swallowing, get the the hospital or an independent LC to help you.

Babies who are the product of deliveries with lots of medications and interventions, ie., forceps, vacuum extractions (Hall et al, 2002), and c-sections (Dewey et al, 2003) sometimes don’t nurse well initially (Smith, 2007).

Late preterm infants (born between 34-37 weeks gestation) are at a much higher risk for jaundice because they are usually sleepier than full-term babies and often don’t feed well (Watchko, 2003; Sarici et al, 2004).

Mothers who are diabetic are at a higher risk of delivering at 34-37 weeks (Lepercq, 2004), and therefore, their babies are at higher risk for jaundice.

What should my game plan be if I deliver between 34 and 37 weeks or I am diabetic?
•Late preterm infants (born between 34 and 37 weeks) and even those born between 37 and 39 weeks need at least 10-12 feedings per 24 hours (Meier et al, 2007).
•Late preterm infants are easily overwhelmed by bright lights, noise, and visitors. You should ask friends and family to limit or avoid visiting for the first 2 weeks until you and your baby are in a good breastfeeding groove. Please don’t interrupt or postpone breastfeeding because of visitors!
•If you are diabetic, consider hand expressing colostrum and freezing it before the baby is born (your boobs are at the ready long before birth), and bring it to the hospital to feed to the baby if he/she does not latch or experiences significant hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels) (Cox, 2006).

What if the jaundice does require additional medical treatment? If the bilirubin levels continue to rise beyond moderate levels, phototherapy may be recommended. This light therapy can be provided through a special set of lights, a blanket, or a band. If you are still in the hospital, ask that the phototherapy be done in your room. Sometimes your baby may be sent to the special care nursery. Most of the time, this does not mean that you need to stop breastfeeding or supplement with formula! (Gartner 2001)



What should my game plan be if my baby needs extra medical care in the nursery? If your baby is in the special care nursery, your colostrum can be drawn up into a syringe and fed to the baby. You will need to consider pumping milk if your baby is born before 37 weeks –preterm or preemie. See above Game Plan.

What are the signs indicating a potential problem? Since many babies are released from the hospital at 1 or 2 days of life, before your milk comes in fully, some problems become more apparant once you are home. This is another good reason to see an LC before you are discharged and to have the name and number of one who can give you excellent follow-up help once you are home.

Call your baby’s doctor if your baby:

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Refuses breastfeeding or bottle feeding;


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is sleepy all the time –lethargic or limp


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Has lost a significant amount of weight (more than 10% of her weight at birth); or

•Is extremely jaundiced (trunk, arms and legs are a yellow or orange color)
•Develops a fever over 100 degrees
&#8226;Has only a few wet diapers or stools (<3 on day 3, <4 on day 4)

If you your pediatrician discovers high bilirubin levels at about day 3, you should be seen immediately by a lactation specialist to find out why your baby is not transferring milk.

What if the hospital or doctor recommends that my baby be supplemented? You shouldn&#8217;t have to discontinue breastfeeding altogether, or resort immediately to a bottle of formula, to resolve jaundice. Supplementing with formula is not the only or even preferable way to fix rising bilirubin levels. You have options here:

Best plan: You get the hospital or an independent lactation consultant involved and have her show you how to supplement your baby with your expressed (by hand or by pump) milk or colostrum with a spoon, cup, or even at the breast via an infant feeding tube (oral).

Second-best plan: If, for whatever reason, you cannot express enough milk/colostrum, then small amounts of screened, pasteurized donor human milk can be substituted. At the same time continue to stimulate the breasts to make milk by hand expressing or pumping.

Third-best plan: If the hospital does not keep a small stash of banked human milk on hand for these occasions, a hydrolyzed formula, not a standard one, can be substituted for your milk. Hydrolyzed formula helps reduce the risk for sensitizing a susceptible baby to allergies or diabetes. Continue to stimulate the breasts to make milk by hand expressing or pumping, so that when any latch difficulties have been solved, you are making enough milk for your baby.

Note that formula is the choice of last resort according to this evidence-based recommendation.

- See more at: https://www.bestforbabes.org/fast-facts-how-to-deal-with-common-breastfeeding-issues#sthash.t9JEbbC4.dpuf"


If you do give formula,. use a DRopper or a Nursing System, as this will not cause nipple confussion and be the most breastfeeding friendly option. We did give our daughter formula in the hospital for this reason, Had I knew what we now know. We would not have ever gave her formula.
 
I'm gonna give my son my pumped milk I've stored from when I was nursing my son (it's in a deep freeze for 7 months so should be fine) that being said, from advice on this site just like what you just have I didn't give my son formula and we ended up in the hospital for a week. Just do what you have to do at that stage. Once your milk comes in its easy to stop formula cause you have an abundance of milk and you should always nurse first and often if you can, but when it comes to hospitalization or formula, choose formula. I aboalitely know you mean well with that information and for most babies jaundice is t an issue but I hate when I see people say formula is an absolutely last resort because it shouldn't be. Phototherapy and hospitalization should be a last resort. In the grand scheme of a year or more of breast feeding if you supplement smart, a couple days of supplementation is no big deal should you have to do it.

I had a. Epidural at 7 cm and nothing else. I have to be induced with pitocin for a blood clotting issue so it isn't an option to not have a medicated birth for me. If for some reason I do to naturally this time I would def try without
 
I had a c-section under general anesthesia with my dd and my milk was in by the end of the second day. Like another poster, DD pretty much stayed on my boob ALLLLL the time starting from about 5-6 hours after the delivery (considering she had a shallow latch, it was murder :cry: ).

Good luck :flower:
 
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These are perfect topics for the site which was just launched today! My personal story is on the blog so you can read my long and ROUGH journey to nursing, but I always found a way to "nurse without tears". I'd love to see the forums and nursing stories light up the page! I am pregnant with baby #6 and am still nursing my 8 month old after a breast reduction, so I am sure that I will NEED your support too!!

Eventually I will need admins on the page so I will be looking at the people that were with me from the beginning :)

Our facebook page can be found with the keywords "Nurse Without Tears"


* As for milk coming in faster I would "power pump"
3 cycles of 10 minute pump 10 minute break
Once a day and drink at least 70 ounces of water a day!
 
I was induced due to high blood pressure (borderline pre eclampsia) so I was on magnesium sulfate and pitocin but no pain relief. He had some trouble breathing because of the mag sulfate so he had to go straight up to the NICU and was put on CPAP to keep his lungs open. The next night we were ableto do skin to skin and try latching but the mag sulfate made him very lethargic. Then he started to develop jaundice on top of everything else, so we decided to get him on formula to start getting everything flushed out. Bright side though, even with formula I still got him to suckle before every formula feeding and today my grand total for pumped colustrum is about 30 mL and he nursed for a good 20 minutes before we gave him what I pumped (he falls asleep suckling, but I heard him swallowing). So we didn't have to do formula tonight.
 
I was induced due to high blood pressure (borderline pre eclampsia) so I was on magnesium sulfate and pitocin but no pain relief. He had some trouble breathing because of the mag sulfate so he had to go straight up to the NICU and was put on CPAP to keep his lungs open. The next night we were ableto do skin to skin and try latching but the mag sulfate made him very lethargic. Then he started to develop jaundice on top of everything else, so we decided to get him on formula to start getting everything flushed out. Bright side though, even with formula I still got him to suckle before every formula feeding and today my grand total for pumped colustrum is about 30 mL and he nursed for a good 20 minutes before we gave him what I pumped (he falls asleep suckling, but I heard him swallowing). So we didn't have to do formula tonight.

That's amazing!!!!! I could never pump colostrum, 30 ml is like a gallon!!!!!!
 
I am hoping this baby will stay on my boob, I know it will be miserable but it can't be worse than making your baby cry for 30 mins just to wake up enough to feed and to having to wipe them down with a cold wash cloth and them still not staying awake long enough to nurse.
 
this is what i did after my last two delivery on day 2 i get in the shower very warm .. and massage my breast while the water is running on them then when i get out nurse the baby then within a couple of hours the milk starts pouring in!!!
 
There isn't anything you can do to make milk come in any quicker however with a subsequent baby it seems that milk comes in a bit sooner anyway. Xx
 
I'm gonna give my son my pumped milk I've stored from when I was nursing my son (it's in a deep freeze for 7 months so should be fine) that being said, from advice on this site just like what you just have I didn't give my son formula and we ended up in the hospital for a week. Just do what you have to do at that stage. Once your milk comes in its easy to stop formula cause you have an abundance of milk and you should always nurse first and often if you can, but when it comes to hospitalization or formula, choose formula. I aboalitely know you mean well with that information and for most babies jaundice is t an issue but I hate when I see people say formula is an absolutely last resort because it shouldn't be. Phototherapy and hospitalization should be a last resort. In the grand scheme of a year or more of breast feeding if you supplement smart, a couple days of supplementation is no big deal should you have to do it.

I had a. Epidural at 7 cm and nothing else. I have to be induced with pitocin for a blood clotting issue so it isn't an option to not have a medicated birth for me. If for some reason I do to naturally this time I would def try without

This may be the case for you but in a lot of cases formula is potentially more long term harmful to the BF relationship-many women are unable to get baby to latch again once bottles have been given-and in some cases potentially physically harmful for the baby if they have underlying allergies for example. In most cases there is no evidence formula flushes out jaundice any more quickly either, for those babies whom it constipates, the opposite would be true. There are often other factors involved other than fluid intake when it comes to whether a baby develops the type of jaundice that requires phototherapy treatment or not such as blood type incompatibility, genetic factors, gestational age when born and others.

However they only tend to test for these things once formula has already been supplemented and it doesn't appear to be helping but for some babies this is too late. There are some babies who feed poorly and lose excessive weight who don't develop jaundice or who only develop a very slight tinge and there are babies who are feeding extremely well, lost less than an expected amount from their birthweight and who are gaining loads of weight thereafter and yet they still need phototherapy; also there are exclusively formula fed from birth babies who still require phototherapy, including OH and some of his siblings ahen they were newborns, so all that tells me things are not that simple. Thankfully the NHS fairly recently updated their guidelines so it is made clear to HCPs that formula should be a last resort in the case of jaundice and unless a baby is under multiple lights or receiving other forms of treatment at the same time as receiving phototherapy then mothers should be able to BF directly, otherwise it is advised expressed milk or colostrum is given to the baby (where possible). Xx
 
I think milkmaid tea helped my milk come in
 

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