Hydrocephalus - Updated with: Our Birth Story on Page 14

I found a 22 week preemie on youtube with a happy ending ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tql...8C644AA5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=11



Hi hun,

I have only just seen this and I burst out crying...

What an amazingly inspirational story, things like this really help me and give me strength and hope so thank you so much for sharing that with me :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
You're absolutely right to get all the information you possibly can. No-one will be able to give definites but they will be able to equip you with as much info as they can for you to make an informed decision.

My heart goes out to you - whatever decision you finally decide to make will be based on love for your LO and will therefore always be the right decision xx

:hugs:
 
You're absolutely right to get all the information you possibly can. No-one will be able to give definites but they will be able to equip you with as much info as they can for you to make an informed decision.

My heart goes out to you - whatever decision you finally decide to make will be based on love for your LO and will therefore always be the right decision xx

:hugs:

Thanks hun... some people may think I am prolonging the pain/inevitable (OH) but I need to give her the best chance possible... if there is any! The options in Holland are not as good as those in the UK i dont think but I cant go abck to the UK as I dont live there anymore and you have to be registered on the NHS to receive treatment, give birth, but i'll push for what i can :hugs:
 
Can I just say what an incredibly brave lady you are:hugs:
I wouldnt wish your heartbreaking decision on anybody right now, but just the way you speak about it, the way your handling it...my heart goes out to you. I can tell by the way you talk about your little girl that she is the most important thing in the world to you and I'm glad you are stopping at nothing to get proper options. I know whatever the outcome you will make your decision on whats best for your LO.
My best wishes for that chat today and I hope against hope that they find just a little bit of hope.....thats all she could need.........:hugs:
 
Premature babies can suffer brain bleeds after birth. Its very common but doesnt mean the end! And doesnt always result in problems!

Premature babies are scanned after few days after birth to see whats going on. We had the most severe case scenario, a Grade IV bleed, and fluid on the brain. The fluid drained off itself and the bleed healed and it is the scaring that will cause any problems.

In America I know that in Alex's case we would have been offered the chance to turn off her support. I honestley am astonished that they do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alex is fine! Theres a chance of celebral palsy but even then thats just a chance. Theres a few of us in the preemie section with babies with brain haemorrages due to prematurity.

And then theres 24 weekers with noooo problems!
Being through prematurity myself (I was 29 weeks) and Alex being 27 weeks, I feel a lot braver about prematurity.

Every day counts, every day she gets a little bit stronger, and you will obviously have time, unlike me, to get two shots of steroids to help her lungs.

My hospital, that looked after Alex, had not long saved a 23 weeker. xxx
 
You story has imspired me to tell you about my son. He was born unexpectidly at exactly 26 weeks. I had always measured small and and they are positive my dates were 10 days behind making him 24 weeks. He was just 690grams at birth (1lb 8oz) and was about 6 inches long. I had no steriod injections and a very stressful pregnancy and birth.
He was very ill for a long time. And we were told on a number of occations that he would not make it. They do brain scans on premature babies very often and any damage is usually picked up very early. But bleeds def do not always lead to long term brain damage.
My little boy, Joshua fought so hard and finally came home after over 3 months at just 3lbs. Today he is nearly 2 yrs old and doing amazing. He is still very small at 19lbs (6-9m clothes) and is still being tested for hearing loss, but he is like any other 18mth old!

The technology for premature babies now is so advanced. I am personally in contact with about 7 babies all born at the same gestation who are all now fine. Girls do alot better than boys. Also if you can get to 28weeks, the odds are SO much better. The bad points (sorry to tell you this) is that alot af babies do not make it. There were alot of unhappy days on the unit where babies did not make it and that is so so sad. Joshua's time in hosp was awful, the worst time in my life ( And I am quite a strong person) and I would not wish is on anyone. Also ending the suffering is not always an option. They will do everything to fight for your baby when they are here, even if that means brain damage at the end of it. The option to terminate care was only given in very very few cases.

Have a look at the BLISS website forum. It will fill you with hope. x x

Could they scan you every few days and see if you can get as near to 28 weeks...?

I wish you all the luck in the world. Whatever you decide, you will have a hard few months ahead and I hope you have some loving family support around you.

If you need anything else just pm me.

x x
 
Premature babies can suffer brain bleeds after birth. Its very common but doesnt mean the end! And doesnt always result in problems!

Premature babies are scanned after few days after birth to see whats going on. We had the most severe case scenario, a Grade IV bleed, and fluid on the brain. The fluid drained off itself and the bleed healed and it is the scaring that will cause any problems.

In America I know that in Alex's case we would have been offered the chance to turn off her support. I honestley am astonished that they do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alex is fine! Theres a chance of celebral palsy but even then thats just a chance. Theres a few of us in the preemie section with babies with brain haemorrages due to prematurity.

And then theres 24 weekers with noooo problems!
Being through prematurity myself (I was 29 weeks) and Alex being 27 weeks, I feel a lot braver about prematurity.

Every day counts, every day she gets a little bit stronger, and you will obviously have time, unlike me, to get two shots of steroids to help her lungs.

My hospital, that looked after Alex, had not long saved a 23 weeker. xxx

Hi, thanks for your story its very helpful... can you tell me a little about cerebal Palsy as I dont know anything about this condition. If she had it how might it affect her? Thanks :hugs:
 
You story has imspired me to tell you about my son. He was born unexpectidly at exactly 26 weeks. I had always measured small and and they are positive my dates were 10 days behind making him 24 weeks. He was just 690grams at birth (1lb 8oz) and was about 6 inches long. I had no steriod injections and a very stressful pregnancy and birth.
He was very ill for a long time. And we were told on a number of occations that he would not make it. They do brain scans on premature babies very often and any damage is usually picked up very early. But bleeds def do not always lead to long term brain damage.
My little boy, Joshua fought so hard and finally came home after over 3 months at just 3lbs. Today he is nearly 2 yrs old and doing amazing. He is still very small at 19lbs (6-9m clothes) and is still being tested for hearing loss, but he is like any other 18mth old!

The technology for premature babies now is so advanced. I am personally in contact with about 7 babies all born at the same gestation who are all now fine. Girls do alot better than boys. Also if you can get to 28weeks, the odds are SO much better. The bad points (sorry to tell you this) is that alot af babies do not make it. There were alot of unhappy days on the unit where babies did not make it and that is so so sad. Joshua's time in hosp was awful, the worst time in my life ( And I am quite a strong person) and I would not wish is on anyone. Also ending the suffering is not always an option. They will do everything to fight for your baby when they are here, even if that means brain damage at the end of it. The option to terminate care was only given in very very few cases.

Have a look at the BLISS website forum. It will fill you with hope. x x

Could they scan you every few days and see if you can get as near to 28 weeks...?

I wish you all the luck in the world. Whatever you decide, you will have a hard few months ahead and I hope you have some loving family support around you.

If you need anything else just pm me.

x x

Oh right i see.... god we are in a right catch 22 position. If she is born now and has severe brain damage then we not be able to let her go with dignity. If I have her by C-Section and she doesnt make it not only will we have lost our daughter but we wouldnt be able to TTC for another year even if we wanted to though I cannot even think about TTC right now obviously its just a thing I have to think about for the future (and at 38 i dont have much time left!) If she stays in there what are the chances of brain damage since the fluid is increasing a lot at the moment.... then on the other hand we could have her and she could get over this and be a happy normal baby (although she will always have Hydro but that can be treated) I cant carry her to term, her head will be too big and have possible really badly brain damage by then, I cant see how things will go say until week 28 and then end her life if she is brain damaged as we would have passed the 24 week cut off. I could just cry with the options right now.... I feel about as low as i possibly could be the more I learn about different situations, everyone holding a huge risk :cry::cry::cry:
 
https://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cerebral-palsy/Pages/Introduction.aspx

This should help, but it a huge spectrum, many people go on to lad normal lives.

With plenty of physio etc the risks of it can be helped :)
 
Well this is how the appointment went with the Neurologists:-

We arrived there and were seated and then moved to a room where we could see the scan pictures that were taken yesterday. The nice lady that I like, who at first gave us some hope (although she never promised anything) appeared with another lady who I had not met before but seemed nice enough. We started going through the scan pictures and she showed me where the lining had increased. She explained it like it was a balloon and that on the MRI it was deflated slightly indicating that it was ok'ish but that at yesterdays scan it was now round and inflated indicating addition pressure due to increased fluid. This is not good and will definately get worse. Some weeks it may increase more than other weeks and nobody knows what will happen but it won't stop.

These are the scenarios I asked them about:-

To be brought out at 24 weeks - They are not going to resussitate her UNLESS i went into natural early child birth when they would try.

To be brought out at 28 weeks - She will be weak and her lungs (even if given steroid injections) will be weak and will probably experience breathing problems of some kind, asthema, etc. She is not a normal premature baby, her brain is very very fragile at this stage, her organs as well but on top of that she has Hydrocephalus bad. Her head would have to be drained either inside me before a natural birth or before a C- Section, both putting me at risk and her as well. To expect her to live through the premature birth and Hydro is not even barely thought about in the hospital. She would spend months in hospital probably fighting infections. She could aquire Cerebal Palsy, hearing problems, breathing problems, bleeding to the brain (although they said small bleeds were not a problem) which could cause further brain damage on top of the Hydrocephalus problem. That 1 + 1 problem is more than two as far as they know. They said we have to realise she is not just premature, she has much more to contend with than that which is bad enough, she has Hydro as well, badly and she is very sick.

To wait and see how things progress with the Hydro - Yes we can continue the pregnancy but the fluid will increase and the head, we may leave it until 34 weeks for example but the hospital will not guarantee that they will bring her out at 34 weeks. Her Hydro might be considered so bad (damage to brain) that they will not force her through labour being so poorly and therefore I will have to continue the We will then be over the cut off for a termination and HAVE to continue the pregnancy and care for a severely brain damaged child (which is what they anticipate will happen although they cannot say for 100%)

We will never be able to decide ourselves when they can take her out... it will be the decision of the doctors, if and when they want to or are going to. If they decide for one reason or another that they are not going to take her out then thats thats... its a lottery. They said if left until 34 weeks the prognosis would not be good.... full term = forget it, we are just basically asking for trouble (my words not theirs)

To take her to full term would mean her head would be too big to give birth to her naturally and therefore we would have to have a C-Section. Since the head would be so big and even though its a C-Section it would cause pressure on my uterus and difficulties getting her out and may scar the uterus doing so meaning I may not be able to have kids again if the damage was severe. By then the chances of her being severely mentally handicapped are 85 - 90% certainty. There is a 10% chance that she would not be affected much (and they can't guarantee that really)

I asked in their opinion if it was THEM what would they do?

Lady No.1 said (or should i say bailed herself out replying with) "My husband says I am a different person when I am pregnant so I don't know what I would do, it would be impossible for me to say (pre-rehearsed many times i presume but hey who can blame her)

Dr Peters said: I have to ask myself the question looking at the results and prognosis "Could I/Would I want to care for a severely mentally handicapped child who might be dependant on me for the rest of their lives. Have trouble finding work, getting a girlfriend, living independantly?" Do I want to take the chance that this will probably happen? I suppose my answer is no to this question.

I asked her if we could bring her out soon, put her on life support and then after the birth check for brain damage with an MRI scan, if there was damage could we selectively ask to take her off with dignity and let her go so she would be subject to a life of mental disability - She said that could not be guaranteed and that is say at 34 weeks she was breathing independantly then the doctors would not let her die, brain damaged or not, we would have made that decision to keep her alive no matter what, even if she was non functional and we would have to care for her like that. No guarantees.

So thats quashed every option we have.... its a no win, no win situation unless we want to take the chance of having a severely handically, mentally brain damaged child at the odds of 85-90%. I know the doctors have been wrong before, I have read 100's of fantastic success stories but what about the unsuccessful stories? Maybe those children are so brain damaged they can't come on a forum or even type. Maybe their parents don't want to share their doom and gloom and upset themselves to tell their story. Maybe if they had their time again (like our next door neighbour with their severely brain damaged child) they would have chosen different options. I can't take that chance.
 
:hugs: Sorry you didn't get the news you wanted :( What a horrible and selfless decision you've had to make.
 
Hi,



I am not going to take the pills to stop her heart... though if people have taken this option then i dont blame them either its personal choice, there is no good or bad thing to do its just how people would handle it better and for us its this way. It wont make any difference to the outcome as they will not offer her support when she comes out anyway, alive or not. It just means we may be able to say goodbye to her before she takes her final breath.

Its all about funding this... they could, if they wanted to, monitor how she went over the next few weeks, bring her out before brain damage set in but they wont. They know MRI scans cost a fortune to do all the time and to keep the baby on life support as well. There is a price on her life that they are not willing to spend

I hope she will make it through the journey and survive just long enough for me to tell her how much i love her and how much she was wanted and how I only wanted the very best for her... to reassure her that her grandad is now going to look after her in heaven so she will be spoilt rotten.

I will never forgive the Law for not trying to help her further... maybe one day this will happen to one of them (though i wouldnt wish this upon anyone) and they will realise that money is no object against the chance of life.
 
:hugs: I am so sorry, I have read through all of this and don't know what to say...you have made some very brave decisions, I can't even begin to imagine how terribly difficult this is for you. :hugs:
 
I'm so very very sorry you didn't get any positive news today. :hugs:

If your not going to take the pills, then what is happening now? Are they going to take her out at 24 weeks? Sorry I'm a bit confused.:wacko:
 
The pills were just to stop her heart... so she would be born dead. Sometimes people prefer this way. Yesterday I was never even told i had an option of taking these pills I was just told to take them and go back today at 4pm to have two vaginal tablets and wait for labour.

Unable to take them, i made OH call the hospital and request that we speak to the Neurologists which we did do. I dont have to take the tablets if I would like her to stay alive. She may make it through childbirth and survive for a few minutes or seconds, fight to breathe. They will not assist her or help her so she will soon die as her lungs will not be strong enough to work independantly on their own. So all in all, if I went into labour early on my own they would support her and assist her but because we have to select a termination due to her condition and the odds, they are just going to watch her die! :cry::cry::cry:
 
Thinking of you and hoping for the best :hugs: I wish I knew the right thing to say. I've been following your thread and commend you on everything you have done for your daughter. I'm sure that she knows you love her :hugs: I'm sorry that you didn't get the news you wanted to hear today
 
The pills were just to stop her heart... so she would be born dead. Sometimes people prefer this way. Yesterday I was never even told i had an option of taking these pills I was just told to take them and go back today at 4pm to have two vaginal tablets and wait for labour.

Unable to take them, i made OH call the hospital and request that we speak to the Neurologists which we did do. I dont have to take the tablets if I would like her to stay alive. She may make it through childbirth and survive for a few minutes or seconds, fight to breathe. They will not assist her or help her so she will soon die as her lungs will not be strong enough to work independantly on their own. So all in all, if I went into labour early on my own they would support her and assist her but because we have to select a termination due to her condition and the odds, they are just going to watch her die! :cry::cry::cry:

Would you be given the opportunity for steroid shots if you did go into early labour? Or would this just be possibly extend the inevitable as far as they are concerned? I'm sorry to ask...
 
The pills were just to stop her heart... so she would be born dead. Sometimes people prefer this way. Yesterday I was never even told i had an option of taking these pills I was just told to take them and go back today at 4pm to have two vaginal tablets and wait for labour.

Unable to take them, i made OH call the hospital and request that we speak to the Neurologists which we did do. I dont have to take the tablets if I would like her to stay alive. She may make it through childbirth and survive for a few minutes or seconds, fight to breathe. They will not assist her or help her so she will soon die as her lungs will not be strong enough to work independantly on their own. So all in all, if I went into labour early on my own they would support her and assist her but because we have to select a termination due to her condition and the odds, they are just going to watch her die! :cry::cry::cry:

Would you be given the opportunity for steroid shots if you did go into early labour? Or would this just be possibly extend the inevitable as far as they are concerned? I'm sorry to ask...

If i went into labour spontaneously i guess they would give the baby steroid injections.... letting her go by choice (for want of another word!) they will not offer her any support at 24 weeks. I dont why they can support her if it happens naturally but not if we have to select to let her go. IF they were to help her to breathe if she was born alive then she may have a chance at life, have her brain drained but they wont...we have asked. :cry:
 
all in all, if I went into labour early on my own they would support her and assist her but because we have to select a termination due to her condition and the odds, they are just going to watch her die! :cry::cry::cry:

:cry: this makes me so mad, I am so sorry Sammy :hugs:
 
Get on a plane come and stay with me and give birth in the UK they would support you here, god I cant believe what politics does, you are one brave person and and I admire you for your decisions.

Sending you all my love xxxx
 

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