March 2013 babies - we all have our beautiful babies :)

[AmyB1978]

Anna, what does William think of real food??

 

[MrsChezek]

Seths - Yay for a good gp experience! Glad all is well.

AmyB - that is a huge gift. I have a hard time leaving H w DH and he's had the same training as me!! I always worry...


Hayden has her 4 mos jabs today and I'm freaking out with worry. I hate all the controversy around shots and how awful it must be for them She's been waking up at 4 and 3 am the last two nights and I'm exhausted. I assume tonight wont be any better!

 

[AmyB1978]

Emily slept through the night... In her crib for nearly 12 hours!!! sooo proud of her! I, unfortunately woke up at one of her more regular night feeding times engorged and leaking. Since she didn't wake up I decided to pump but then still couldn't sleep. I was up from 2-5:30 or so then finally got a little light/broken sleep for maybe 2 hours. I think it was a combination of thinking about our trip, thinking about leaving her to go out for DH's bday, and her being so far away in her crib and not waking, I was super hyper vigilant. It just sucks cause she so rarely sleeps through and it's been particularly bad lately so I really could have used the sleep.
Rant over.

MrsC, hopefully Hayden will be sleepy from her vaccinations and give you a good nights sleep.

 

[baby_maybe]

Amy - that used to happen to me when Ruben first started sleeping longer at night and I always couldn't sleep becaus I would think he was going to wake up any minute for a feed and then he would go an extra 2 hours Great that she slept through in her crib for 12 hours though, good job Emily

Sethsmummy - it was me asking about weaning before. I have also started giving Ruben a bit of baby rice with his 4pm feed and today he had a taste of some puréed fruit mixed in with it. We also cut up a huge watermelon today and I held a piece for him to suck on and he loved it, got really cross when I took it away. I think he's going to be a greedy one for sure

I decided last week to put Ruben in his nursery at night. He had slept all the way to 7am each morning for a few days in a row without needing his dummy put back in at 5am so DH suggested we try him in the cot in his own room. I felt a bit sad about moving him, but it had got to the stage that we would disturb him when we went up to bed at night and as he's sleeping so well now I thought it would be fairer to him as well. The first night we did it was Monday and to be honest with what he can be like in the daytime with napping I was a bit dubious about how he would react to being on his own. He knew he was somewhere different when I first laid him down, his cot is a lot bigger than the crib and also I haven't bothered propping the bot up because his reflux has been much better lately, but although he whinged a bit as soon as I put his dummy in he did his normal getting comfy wriggle and went off to sleep on his own. I listened in on the monitor and he was awake for about 5 minutes making his little baby noises and then put himself to sleep Ever since he's done the same each night and even when he stirs in the night now (it still wakes me as I can hear him on the monitor) he puts himself back to sleep, I haven't had to go to him once. In fact this morning he woke up at put usual weekday get up time of 7am and because he wasn't crying we decided to leave him and see if we could get a little lie in and he went back to sleep until 8.30am! Of course all this sleeping at night means he doesn't want as much in the day and he is pretty difficult to get to nap, but I can usually get 3 one hour naps in, one after each feed which just about gets him through the day without being too grumpy! It would be better if he did one of them as a two hour nap, but I'll take shorter day naps when he sleeps so well at night now

I'm sorry for you ladies who are still struggling with sleep. I'm not a massive fan of CC/CIO, but if any of my babies were fighting sleep at night I would probably try it, particularly as I'm dreadful on very little sleep. I read an interesting thread on here about it earlier and the amount of people that were trying it and reporting marked changes in their babies sleep within the first 3 nights was pretty impressive. Some ladies had reported using it as early as 4 1/2 months, but personal,y I don't think I'd start it until 6 months+. Not aiming is at anyone in particular, just thought it was interesting and may be helpful

 

[anna1986]

Amy - William is finding real food interesting. hes now had apple, pear, sweet potato, carrot and swede. this morning he had peach n apricot porridge which he loved last night I spent hours making him homemade purees. im following some Annabel karmel recipes.

following on from what baby maybe said about cc/cio I did CC with my daughter and as hard as it was for the 1st 2 nights it worked a treat I did it around 7 months.

 

[MrsChezek]

I had to google CC and figured out CIO but it took a minute! I need to read more about it. I know in the long term it's for their benefit to learn to STTN but I don't know when or how to get there. At our 4m well visit our pediatrician said she's old enough to sleep thru and that she needs to learn that feeling a little hungry is ok. But cry for how long??

The thing is that she doesn't wake up crying. She wakes up first sucking her hands then she starts babbling and cooing and screeching for another 10 minutes. Then she starts fussing and finally crying. So I don't know what to do...

 

[baby_maybe]

I 'think', although I've never really had to do it with any of mine, that you leave them crying until they fall asleep, the average seem to take 30 minutes the first night, but there was one lady on the thread who said it took 1hr 45mins the first night she did it with her LO. The thing that amazed me was that those ladies who were saying it was 30 minutes or more the first night and that it was horrible, then came back and said that it only took an average of 10 minutes the second night and then less than 5 on the third night. Obviously it doesn't happen that way for everyone, but I believe that it is supposed to work over a period of between 3 days and two weeks depending on your LO and how stubborn they are! They were also saying that this was on the initial putting to bed, but that if they had lo's who woke regularly through the night, this was improved and their babies seemed to learn to self settle fairly quickly from a night time wake up. Definitely worth looking in to I think and if you search on here I'm sure you'll find a few threads about it

 

[MrsChezek]

Thanks maybe! she goes down super easy at bed time. We feed her, burp her, tell her good night and put her in her crib awake. She chews on her hands a bit and wiggles around and falls asleep. Very rarely she cries for us and its cause she's still hungry (she either played on boob instead of eating or passed out during feed). I then feed her and pop her back in and she goes to sleep. If she wakes crying in the night due to nightmare or a fart/gas pain she goes back to sleep on her own as well. It's just since this week she's been waking and just chillin in her crib. And because she stays awake for 20 minutes self entertaining that hunger sets in...so she starts crying for food. I don't know how to get her not to wake up and play in the middle of the night! And we let her CIO the other night and after an hour she wasn't letting up at all so we finally got her and fed her. That already felt cruel...

She always cries herself to sleep in the car seat but that lasts 3-5 minutes, sometimes 10. She then gives up and just goes to sleep. But she's not hungry then...it's all hard! It's been a rough week of her waking at 4am (2 hours early) plus the shots on Fri and then yesterday DH didn't engage the brake in her stroller in our yard so she rolled like 15 feet really fast down our gravel drive before the front tire hit a rock whipping the stroller around and flipping it over. All in front of my eyes as I was washing the dog nearby. I ran after the stroller but didn't get there on time THANK GOD she was strapped in tightly so she just got scared and didn't get thrown out or bumped about but it was the scariest moment of my life I'm an emotional wreck with it all...CIO feels awful, jabs felt awful and the spill was heartstopping. I'm exhausted!

Hope everyone had a great weekend! We've got company coming for lunch so I better get back to cleaning before bean wakes up from her nap!

 

[sethsmummy]

In my honest opinion the babies are too young to be left to cio or even do cc if thy are hungry. But it does help when you put them to bed if you know they are not hungry. The trick is at first you leave them for 10 mins, go back in give a little cuddle and kiss then tuck back in and out you go for another 10 mins, then back in and pat bottom softly or rub or whatever xomforts your baby without qcually picking them up.then out again for 15 mins and so on till they goto sleep. The main thing is teaching them that although you are not right beside them you will be right there when needed and that you defenitely will come back.

If you know they are hungry then feed them but ty not interact with them whilst doing so like you would through the day. Most babies dont fully sttn till around 7 or 8 months. Ds1 was 2 before he slept through the night and even now sometimes gets up once through the night.


Any1 else having teething trouble? Ethan has one top back tooth starting to come through, one corner is already through. And he has a front one trying to cme through too. He's woken 6 times since being put down at half 7. Poor boy has been a nightmare for the past 2 days from the pain. Bonjela isnt working, or calpol and the cold teethers are too big for his mouh!

 

[AmyB1978]

MrsC, how scary, I'm so glad she is ok and I think you need some serious I hope this coming week is better.

 

[sethsmummy]

Omg mrsc I just read your full post. So sorry to hear about haydens accident! Theres nothing worse than when you see it happening but you cant stop it! Its heart stopping, happened to me when seth was 8 weeks old. Big big hugs huni xxxx

 

[baby_maybe]

Oh I definitely wouldn't leave them if I thought they were hungry

Maybe she's just having a growth spurt? She's still exclusively breastfeeding and it is very normal for them to go from sleeping through to waking for a feed to make sure you up your supply in response to her needs. I was only talking about this with a group I go to here last week. The woman from the children's centre was explaining it to an exclusively breast feeding mum as she was asking why her LO had suddenly started waking in the night for a feed when previously he was going through. I also don think that cc/cio should be used at such a young age, but from 6 months I'd be comfortable trying the pick up put down method like sethsmummy said about.

Sorry to hear about Hayden's pushchair accident. I saw one similar the other day, although it was an older toddler in the pushchair and the mum was letting her older child push it for her as she was walking the dog, it went over and luckily like Hayden she was well secured as it was near a main road!

Sethsmummy - not teething trouble as such, no teeth to be seen yet, but Ruben has been chewing at his fists and drooling loads the past three weeks now and often has rosy cheeks, although not every day. I keep thinking a tooth might appear any minute, but then again it could be weeks yet! One of my friends used teething power for her little boy and said it was really good, not sure what the name was though.

 

[rmsh1]

I had to google CC and figured out CIO but it took a minute! I need to read more about it. I know in the long term it's for their benefit to learn to STTN but I don't know when or how to get there. At our 4m well visit our pediatrician said she's old enough to sleep thru and that she needs to learn that feeling a little hungry is ok. But cry for how long??

The thing is that she doesn't wake up crying. She wakes up first sucking her hands then she starts babbling and cooing and screeching for another 10 minutes. Then she starts fussing and finally crying. So I don't know what to do...

We started to do some gentle sleep training with Emma just last night. I am at my wits end with lack of sleep. But our sleep problems have been going on far longer than yours. Emma was STTN til about 8-9 weeks then just suddenly stopped. She now wakes every 2-3 hours. Last night it was every 2 hours on the dot. She does not feed every two hours during the day so I don't really think it is hunger.

So we picked a single time point to start with - midnight til 2am, where she will not get fed. OH got up and patted, shhhed her, then walked away. She was crying, but stopped after about 4 minutes. She played for a bit, then started crying again so OH again patted and shhhed her. He walked away, she was still crying again for about 4 minutes, then played. We only did this twice, them after 45 minutes she was asleep again. So we are dong things very gentle, I will not let her cry for a long period of time, and I will not let her get to the point where she pukes from being upset.

I am also currently reading NCSS, which is far more gentle, but so far, what I have read, we are already doing - putting baby to sleep semi-awake, do not interract at night etc etc. So will keep reading and see if anything else pops up

 

[sharnw]

MrsC omg so relieved nothing bad happened and Hayden is ok

Sethsmummy, I hope the teething settles down x

I have to watch what blanket, sheet, clothing any sort of fabric, just plain ANYTHING etc around her... She keeps putting things over her face!

 

[JenJen80]

Hi all I've been AWOL for a week as we have been away. Martha was as good as gold all week and was worried how she would cope on the journey as she never sleeps in the day much but she was brilliant and we made sure we had a long stop.

She is still doing really well at night sleeping from 7.30 ish - 6.45 with a quick top up at 10 pm.
Going to have her weighed tomorrow as not done it in three weeks!!!!

BF ladies how long between feeds do your LO's go now?

 

[MrsChezek]

Hi ladies. Thank u for your kind words and feedback. After trying CIO the one night, we decided it was not for us. Last night we started the pick up/put down technique and double dream feeds. We woke and fed her at 11:30pm and got up at 3am to wake and feed her again but she woke up as we were warming the bottle. We decided to give her expressed milk instead of boob as it relieves hunger but doesn't act as a paci to see if it was really hunger. Well, after the bottle she started crying. DH soothed her in his arms but every time he'd put her down she'd cry. This went on for an hour. Finally I took over and we did this for another half hour. I suggested we give her more milk so after soothing her and her not crying for about 5 min, we gave her another bottle. She still refused to be put down so finally after 2 hours we waited til she was soothed for a couple minutes again and finally gave her boob. She went out like a light after 4 minutes! So I don't think it's just hunger...in sure that's part if it but she needs boob to help her fall asleep and that's a habit I don't want her to have in the long run. But maybe it is a growth spurt and she just needs more milk at this time I think that since pick up/put down doesn't work with her - us holding, bouncing, cuddling and shushing her doesn't soothe her long term (she starts crying again in our arms after 5 min of quiet), I'm going to just pick her up and feed her when she starts chillin and put her back. We did this the first night and she was wide awake and refused to go back to sleep. I'd like to see if she does that again I guess...I really don't mind feeding her (seriously I love her and am not evil!!!) but she doesn't go back to sleep like she used to and that's what is killing us. We're exhausted!

 

[baby_maybe]

mrs c, I hope you fond something that works for you and Hayden soon xx

 

[sharnw]

Jen, Kaylee can go for 3 hours in the day between feeds without crying. I sometimes just give her the boob for no reason lol Shes really good at night time.

MrsC, Awwww little hayden I hope you find a way so she falls asleep without just having the booby x

 

[MrsChezek]

JenJen - forgot to respond to your question. Hayden eats in 'meals'. She has one breast when she wakes, then the other an hour later (breakfast). She then naps for 2-3 hours and has one breast, then the other an hour later (lunch). Naps again 2-3 hours. Has one breast (afternoon snack)...then starts cluster feeding for bed time at 5:30ish and feeds once an hour so 6:30ish and then 7:30ish (dinner).

BUT, since she's started to get too distracted, she doesn't eat much during these feeds so I've increased her feeds to once an hour when she's awake to see if that will make a difference with her night waking. I read that not getting enough food during the day can lead to night waking and hunger so we're giving it a go

 

[sharnw]

MrsC, Kaylee would used to go to sleep with the boob all the time on demand.. Now she can go to sleep with her thumb in her mouth. Arrrhhhh cant win