Morbid Question but curious

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Okay so we have 4 sets of parents due to parents divorcing. Wont be for a while yet but when they pass away hubby is an only child and I am the eldest of 5 (1 real sibling and 3 half siblings - none of which work lol) how do we afford a funeral/burial? I am a true worrier and always have been so always wonder about stuff that wont happen for ages (somethings may never happen and I still worry lol).

This really is just a curious question as to if people actually end up in debt because they want to bury their loved ones!!


Xx
 
No savings or assets from your parents? My grandma has a funeral plan so hers is all paid for :shrug:
 
My parents live in a council flat my mum works part time my dad hasnt been able to get a job since being made redundant on sick grounds when i was a child, no savings, no pension. My mum is umable to work due to having a stroke aged 42 causing many issues inc pretty much blind in one eye, terrible blood pressure among many things. Hubbys dad had great job and mprtgage etc now dpesnt work and is in debt! Mil is only only one who may have plan etc as has worked for ages!
 
You can apply through the government for funding BUT I've got a feeling if the next of kin is not on benefits they won't help (went through all this when my uncle died).
Tattiesmum will know, shes a funeral director

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Gosh its crazy! Me and hubby will very likely be unable to afford our own. Lol. Its just something I was curious about. Xx
 
My dad died in June last year,im an only child & my mum died 7 yrs ago. It was up to me to pay for the funeral. I get child tax credits at the higher rate so got a grant which covered a bit of it but had to find 592 on the day so the funeral director would pick him up :'( mil paid it ( i will be forever grateful) & set up a payment plan with the funeral director which im still paying
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My Dad died 4 years ago at 47, he was single and no assets whatsoever. I was 22, my sister 24 and my little brother only 19. We had a wonderful funeral director who knew Dad had no money and none of us did either! We had a basic but lovely funeral which came to £2500 which basically we had to borrow in debt, a year later we had to buy his stone which was another £1K but we worked out a monthly plan with the stone masons for this which was helpful. I remember not being able to pay our rent for months after Dad died as people who do flowers and the wake food and what not had to be paid ASAP and obviously wouldn't wait.

Something sadly you just don't want to have to think about when you've just lost someone you love dearly :nope:
 
Well, when my ohs grandad died a few months ago the family paid for the funeral. My grandad has a funeral fund lol. My grandma I think also has a funeral plan thing, and I know my parents will have their own funeral fund thing in time. They're all wealthy. Unfortunately its me, oh and his family that are skint. His dad is very unwell and I literally do not know how the funeral will be paid for when it happens. I'm sure his mum will be entitled to some funding but I have a feeling it may fall on me and oh x
 
Lordy they are expensive! We certainly wouldnt be able to pay out for something like that or moss mortgage payment specially for each one of them. Its so sad that these things cost so much.and put more pressure on those that lost a loved one. My nan died in july and I am guessing reason family didnt have cars following her and she has or will be scattered is due to lack of funds.

Sorry for your losses ladies.
 
Lordy they are expensive! We certainly wouldnt be able to pay out for something like that or moss mortgage payment specially for each one of them. Its so sad that these things cost so much.and put more pressure on those that lost a loved one. My nan died in july and I am guessing reason family didnt have cars following her and she has or will be scattered is due to lack of funds.

Sorry for your losses ladies.

Yea my Dad was adamant he wanted to be buried so we had to do this, if I remember cremation may be a little cheaper, we had a nice Daimler for me and my siblings in the price which was nice of them to do. I would definitely go for a small family run funeral directors though when the time comes, I've heard some awful things about big places like the co-op. x
 
Don't the council provide the most basic of basic funeral's if there are no funds to pay for the funeral?x
 
Isnt it a funeral grant, but its not that easy to obtain and the amount you get varies somewhat from what i recall.

TattiesMum would be very helpful answering a few Q's.
 
Don't the council provide the most basic of basic funeral's if there are no funds to pay for the funeral?x

Yep they do. Very basic :flower: your parents may have taken out life insurances to pay out if they die too x
 
I thought I'd better pop my head round the door and clarify things :winkwink:

Harveys's Mum is right ... If a family literally has no money and the person who has died has absolutely no money or assets then the council/local health authority will step in to arrange and pay for a funeral

BUT:
1. The family have to step back from the funeral right from the beginning ... if they collect the paperwork from the hospital or register the death then they are legally responsible for arranging (and paying for) the funeral whether they have money or not.

2. The arranging of the funeral will take a lot longer than normal because the council/local HA don't do stuff quickly and will want to try to get someone in the family to pay before they fully commit to a 'public' funeral (which is what they are called).

3. Although the family will be notified of when/where the funeral will take place they will have no say whatsoever in what happens - they can't choose the coffin/vicar/what is said in the service etc - because they aren't paying for it and the council/LHA need to keep it as simple and cheap as possible because it's coming out of public funds.

If a family decide that they don't want to just step away like this then they might be able to get a Funeral Payment from the DSS ...

BUT:

1. They need to be on a 'qualifying benefit' (income support, income based JSA, Council Tax Benefit are the main ones) .... and ALL of the close family need to be claiming - if for example a man dies who has 5 children and just one is working then the DSS will tell them that the working one should be paying for the funeral.

2. Even at best the maximum that the DSS will pay is £700 + Disbursements (Disbursements are the fees that the Funeral Director has to pay out on the family's behalf - crematorium/burial fees and doctors fees). they won't pay for a vicar/officiant either because you don't actually need to have one for a funeral to take place.

3. That usually leaves families (in my area at least) with a shortfall of about £1200 plus - depending on what they have chosen ... if they have chosen a 'Basic Funeral' then it will be less but most basic funerals don't include a choice of coffin, Chapel of Rest visits, dressing the deceased in their own clothes and limousines (this is because as FDs we offer a reduced price for the 'Basic' based on savings made in man hours).

Most Funeral Directors will offer families the opportunity to pay over a period of time - but it is only fair that if a family needs to do that then they should try to keep their bill as low as possible (what my Grandmother used to call 'cutting your suit to fit the cloth').... for example I have a family for whom I did a funeral for 3 years ago who ordered horse drawn hearse, multiple limousines and loads of extras. At the time of booking they swore black was blue that they could pay for it but to date I have still received less than 2 thirds of the bill :shrug::nope:

Yesterday another one of their family members died and they rang me to arrange his funeral :dohh: When we went to convey the person who had passed away we found a detached house with several family members' cars in the drive with personalised numberplates :growlmad: ....This time I'm afraid that they will have to pay at least the disbursements up front ... With the economic situation as it is and with the large companies/groups asking for substantial deposits from families, the small independents like us are finding that up to 50% of the clients we are getting simply can't pay :nope: and if we keep on letting people book expensive funerals without the means to pay for them quickly then we will end up going under (which has happened to one of the local small firms already this year).

I know it's a sensitive issue but at the end of the day Funeral Directors are businesses ... we aren't subsidised by Govt, our buildings have to be rented/maintained, we have to pay full business rates, our gas, electric, telephones and water are billed at business rates with full VAT, our vehicles have to be maintained, serviced, taxed, insured and fuelled, we have to pay wages, employers NI, business tax and VAT. We need to purchase raw materials for coffins and for the preparation of the deceased - plus all of our admin costs like paper, printing ink, office equipment.... it all adds up and the margins are pretty small, so if half the work we do is being paid for in small amounts over years then it's easy to end up in trouble :(

I'm not rolling in money myself (far from it) ... but I have a pre-paid funeral plan which costs me £20 a month (until it's all paid off - a total of £3000) so that my kids won't have to worry when the time comes.
 
Thanks for all that! Me and hubbu will end up paying for minimum of 4 parents funerals for sure! I obviously cant say our situation will be in years to come but tbh we wont be in high paid jobs etc. Whats the cost of a basic funeral (is cremation cheaper and does the family pay the crem seperately), wpuld scattering ashes somewhere cut costs? Someone I know has a parent scattered in her garden!!
 
Thanks for all that! Me and hubbu will end up paying for minimum of 4 parents funerals for sure! I obviously cant say our situation will be in years to come but tbh we wont be in high paid jobs etc. Whats the cost of a basic funeral (is cremation cheaper and does the family pay the crem seperately), wpuld scattering ashes somewhere cut costs? Someone I know has a parent scattered in her garden!!

When it comes to funerals the answers to questions are never simple :nope: But I'll try :thumbup:

The cost of a basic Funeral will vary from area to area (because every crematorium/cemetery has different charges) and from FD to FD (because we each have our own pricing structure that takes into account our individual overheads etc) ... Here though (Bedfordshire) a Basic Funeral (ie an FD's definition of 'Basic' - as above) will be in the region of £2244 for a cremation... That's for a CofE service at current prices but come January 2013 the CofE charge will be going up by £58 across the country and individual crematoriums/cemeteries will raise their own prices as they do every year :shrug:

Crenmation is always cheaper than burial except where the family own an existing grave that has space in it....

This is because the cost of a new grave is high and burial costs are made up of - cost of new grave + interment costs. Where a family own an existing grave they will only pay the interment cost (which is usually less than cremation).

Most crematoriums will scatter ashes in their grounds for nothing (it's included in the cost of cremation) ... whereas taking them home to scatter might incur a charge from the FD for an urn - again it's a bit 'how long is a piece of string' as the answer will vary from area to area and Fd to FD

The crematorium bill is usually settled by the FD as a Disbursement and then passed onto the family as part of the bill.

Could you not persuade your parents and in laws to take out a funeral plan or one of these Over 50 plans? It seems so unfair that you and your OH will have to struggle to find all this money :nope::hugs:
 
My parents struggle to pay their bills as it is unfortunately. My real mum i dont see often and again she is on benefit. Fil is now jobless and again just managing to pay bills. Only mil has some sort of pension and possible life insurance. We are probably looking at approx 10k minimum (obviously not at once) i just dont see how we could afford that when the time comes without us being in horrinle debt. Atm we are just trying to get rid of some debts to give us and our lo.more disposable income and hopefully another baby one day. We always pay bills but dnt have cash to splash! It sucks :( They will just have to rot away or I may feed them to the fish in.the sea! Lol. I dnt wana dread my future cause i already worry.n stress too much as it is. Lol.
 
Oh Hon :hugs::hugs:

If you really can't afford it when the time comes then I would totally encourage you to 'stand back' and let the council/LHA take care of it ... you can still attend the funeral and pay your respects but you won't be saddled with the debt.

I'm sure that your parents or in-laws wouldn't want you to put yourself in debt :hugs:
 

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