my birth plan

[milkmachine]

no, i did try but they said that its too far away and if i were to be transferred there wouldnt be time to get there :-/

 

[milkmachine]

just to give you an idea here is a news article about my local hosp https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8495894.stm there has also since been another baby too...

 

[jubilee]

no, i did try but they said that its too far away and if i were to be transferred there wouldnt be time to get there :-/

well gotta keep the positive vibes going that you will be able to stay home where u want to be x

 

[summer rain]

Hi

if its that type of maternity unit I can understand fully why you have to be so forthright with your birth plan, sounds like the place I had my first where the midwife told me 'I didn't really look at your birthplan but they are all a load of crap anyway' or something along those lines

Soph

 

[jubilee]

Hi

if its that type of maternity unit I can understand fully why you have to be so forthright with your birth plan, sounds like the place I had my first where the midwife told me 'I didn't really look at your birthplan but they are all a load of crap anyway' or something along those lines

Soph

that sounds awful! I count myself lucky that my hospital is very open and very much allows to parents to lead the care (obviously within reason).

 

[milkmachine]

Hi

if its that type of maternity unit I can understand fully why you have to be so forthright with your birth plan, sounds like the place I had my first where the midwife told me 'I didn't really look at your birthplan but they are all a load of crap anyway' or something along those lines

Soph

it really is that kind of unit, which is a shame it has the potential to be a really nice place the wards and rooms are actually lovely they just need a good decorate and a staff/managment overhaul which i guess is whats happening with it being under special measures.

I know its very aggressively written but i have to give the 'take no shit' impression because i will not let myself be in a position to be treated badly again. im not having more babies (i spilt up from my childrens dad) so i need this to be as right as it can be

 

[snagglepat]

Have you considered getting a doula? Doula UK has a hardship fund for those who can't afford to pay for one themselves so you could have one without having to pay a penny, but it would mean you could have someone with you who you trust, who is there to support you in your wishes, who knows your birth plan inside out and who can advocate for you if you need it.

There's more info here if that sounds of interest: https://www.doula.org.uk/content/duk/doulauk/Hardship_Fund.asp

Just a thought.

Gina. x

 

[madasa]

I was going to suggest a doula too I still think aggressive language will make them even less likely to do what you want, but it's your birth... But at the end of the day, it's your gig. I wish you all the best!

 

[milkmachine]

i interviewed doulas and came to the conclusion that i will get that level of support (and some) from people that actually know me without having to pay for it

 

[Blob]

Sounds really clear I need to write one soon i think!! Wasnt going to bother but you have brought up some points for me esp the breastfeeding part that i feel strongly about.

 

[milkmachine]

i would be devastated if someone gave my baby a bottle.... i know that sounds like an over reaction but it is very important to me that my babies have human milk

 

[kanga]

Hiya, i have just done this quick draft of a birth plan. am i missing anything? thanks for looking!!


· No internal examinations.
· No gas and air- it makes me cry, I do not like it. I Do not wish to have it shoved in my face like I did during my last delivery.
· I want to be left alone as much as possible (by alone I mean without medical staff)
· If there is any suspected need for intervention/transfer, I would like 30mins to see how things progress. Providing no lives are at risk.
· I will eat and drink as I feel that I need to throughout the duration.
· Oral vitamin K only.
· Physiological third stage unless excessive bleeding.
· I will keep my placenta.
· I would like to be left alone with my baby for at least an hour after the birth before any weighing/examinations take place.
· I will be breastfeeding.
· I will bath/dress baby and myself in my own time.



In the event of a hospital transfer (serious lie/death situation I will not transfer under any other circumstance)

· No continual monitoring (will sign disclamer)
· No gas and air, makes me cry. Do not like it.
· I will complain to the highest person I can if I am put in room three under any circumstance. I had an I.U.D in there and staffs have since tried to make me labour in that room with my last pregnancy, this is not acceptable.
· I am not to be separated from baby unless it is a life and death situation.
· I want to keep my placenta even if it is removed via C-section.
· I would prefer the placenta to be examined in front of me so that I know I am taking my own placenta home.
· I will eat and drink freely.
· I will dress and bath baby in my own time.
· Oral vit K only.
· Under no circumstance is my baby to be given anything other than human milk even if its not from me. (doner/friend/etc) This is something I feel very strongly about and will push a serious complaint against anyone who goes against this.

wow, good luck x

 

[snagglepat]

I'm so very with you on the human milk front. We experienced breast refusal with our daughter and she didn't latch on at all until she was 4 weeks old. Still nothing but human milk passed her lips. I find it so frustrating and upsetting when people don't seem to see the difference between breast and formula milk, especially if it's 'just one bottle' - even breastfeeding professionals.

I think your birth plan is great and I'd stick with the assertive wording too. It gets across the message that you're serious about your choices and with the sound of your history no-one has any right to expect you to be anything but.

I can't wait to hear your birth story.

Gina.

 

[KandyKinz]

I'm so very with you on the human milk front. We experienced breast refusal with our daughter and she didn't latch on at all until she was 4 weeks old. Still nothing but human milk passed her lips. I find it so frustrating and upsetting when people don't seem to see the difference between breast and formula milk, especially if it's 'just one bottle' - even breastfeeding professionals.

I think your birth plan is great and I'd stick with the assertive wording too. It gets across the message that you're serious about your choices and with the sound of your history no-one has any right to expect you to be anything but.

I can't wait to hear your birth story.

Gina.

I too like your birth plan.... It is assertive but in this day and age it has to be.

And I just wanted to share a breastmilk bottle story.
The breastmilk thing can be a big issue.. a friend of mine had this problem.. She had an awful birth, transfered from home to hospital for mec, labour dystocia once she arrived at hospital, needed pit, struggled with the pit contractions so got an epidural, resulted in her not being able to push effectively, had a trial forceps which failed and then had a c-section. To top it all off baby had tachypnea and needed to stay in the NICU afterwards... needless to say breastfeeding did not happen for several hours after the birth and once the mother did get to the NICU much later in the day she struggled to get the baby to latch. The next day the nurses told her that the baby HAD to breastfeed for it's health and that they were gonna give the baby a bottle... The mother acknowledged the baby had to eat but said NO BOTTLES NO FORMULA and decided that her sister who had a baby and was lactating would breastfeed her baby.... So the sister pumped and they cup fed the baby. Well this caused an OUTRAGE amongst the nurses and physicians in the hospital and they actually reported her to the children's aid society for this 'dangerous act'. In the end all was well but it was quite the ordeal. Obviously these workers have paid no attention to recommendations by WHO that the best thing for babies is breastmilk from their mothers and the second best thing for babies is breastmilk from someone else!

 

[Rmar]

I clearly remember Pinky McKay (lactation consultant in Australia) was trying to get expressed breastmilk to a baby whoes mother was unable to feed them and mentioned how much she really wanted expressed breatmilk from another mother. It was Pinky who set the whole thing up and made the effort to prepare it all, but when she got to the hospital, the peds tipped the milk down the sink! I couldn't believe it. Such a waste of precious milk.

I don't think that donor milk is a big subject, in Australia. It might be the same in other countries. Also, how you would feed a baby expressed milk. I know a midwife who works at a hospital, here, who didn't know of cup feeding. I just assumed that it was taught in uni, but apparently not. From an outside observer who has never seen it before, apparently it looked dangerous to her. I can't see how but mayber that's because I have learnt about it, first.

 

[milkmachine]

I'm so very with you on the human milk front. We experienced breast refusal with our daughter and she didn't latch on at all until she was 4 weeks old. Still nothing but human milk passed her lips. I find it so frustrating and upsetting when people don't seem to see the difference between breast and formula milk, especially if it's 'just one bottle' - even breastfeeding professionals.

I think your birth plan is great and I'd stick with the assertive wording too. It gets across the message that you're serious about your choices and with the sound of your history no-one has any right to expect you to be anything but.

I can't wait to hear your birth story.

Gina.

I too like your birth plan.... It is assertive but in this day and age it has to be.

And I just wanted to share a breastmilk bottle story.
The breastmilk thing can be a big issue.. a friend of mine had this problem.. She had an awful birth, transfered from home to hospital for mec, labour dystocia once she arrived at hospital, needed pit, struggled with the pit contractions so got an epidural, resulted in her not being able to push effectively, had a trial forceps which failed and then had a c-section. To top it all off baby had tachypnea and needed to stay in the NICU afterwards... needless to say breastfeeding did not happen for several hours after the birth and once the mother did get to the NICU much later in the day she struggled to get the baby to latch. The next day the nurses told her that the baby HAD to breastfeed for it's health and that they were gonna give the baby a bottle... The mother acknowledged the baby had to eat but said NO BOTTLES NO FORMULA and decided that her sister who had a baby and was lactating would breastfeed her baby.... So the sister pumped and they cup fed the baby. Well this caused an OUTRAGE amongst the nurses and physicians in the hospital and they actually reported her to the children's aid society for this 'dangerous act'. In the end all was well but it was quite the ordeal. Obviously these workers have paid no attention to recommendations by WHO that the best thing for babies is breastmilk from their mothers and the second best thing for babies is breastmilk from someone else!

wow what a rough time she had! i think its easy for people to be outraged by things that they dont fully understand/ are unfamiliar with.

 

[milkmachine]

I clearly remember Pinky McKay (lactation consultant in Australia) was trying to get expressed breastmilk to a baby whoes mother was unable to feed them and mentioned how much she really wanted expressed breatmilk from another mother. It was Pinky who set the whole thing up and made the effort to prepare it all, but when she got to the hospital, the peds tipped the milk down the sink! I couldn't believe it. Such a waste of precious milk.

I don't think that donor milk is a big subject, in Australia. It might be the same in other countries. Also, how you would feed a baby expressed milk. I know a midwife who works at a hospital, here, who didn't know of cup feeding. I just assumed that it was taught in uni, but apparently not. From an outside observer who has never seen it before, apparently it looked dangerous to her. I can't see how but mayber that's because I have learnt about it, first.

i wouldnt be able to get donor milk in an official sense it would be a private arraignment between me and a friend, donor milk here is for very sick babies as far as i know

 

[milkmachine]

I'm so very with you on the human milk front. We experienced breast refusal with our daughter and she didn't latch on at all until she was 4 weeks old. Still nothing but human milk passed her lips. I find it so frustrating and upsetting when people don't seem to see the difference between breast and formula milk, especially if it's 'just one bottle' - even breastfeeding professionals.

I think your birth plan is great and I'd stick with the assertive wording too. It gets across the message that you're serious about your choices and with the sound of your history no-one has any right to expect you to be anything but.

I can't wait to hear your birth story.

Gina.

It is a shame that it has to be written in such an assertive/agressive (depending on which way you look at it) manner. But i know it is the only way that i will get listened too, there is a slim chance that it will actually get read if i transfer anyway.

 

[milkmachine]

i jsut had my homebirth assesment and she thought that my birth plan was spot on, didnt change a thing.I mentioned that it was aggressively written and she said well youve given birth there twice you know it has to be written that way lol everything is set to go so now we just wait!

 

[KandyKinz]

That's awesome news. I'm so so glad your midwife is on the same page as you... Tells me she knows what she's talking about!