OH is a @#!@$%... so angry!!!

The fact that he's behaving as though nothing happened is worrying in itself! He clearly sees no issue with the way he speaks to you and his son.

I think drastic action is required here to give him any chance of seeing the error of his ways. Go with your dad, there shouldn't be any doubt in your mind now, you should be packing your bags and getting out of there.

You're lucky you have somewhere to go, many women in abusive relationships don't have the support of their families.

Please leave, at least to do some clear thinking without his manipulation.

X
 
Aww Hun, I really feel for you. It's very easy for people to tell you to just leave when they are not emotionally involved with someone. I'm not saying the advice you have benn given is wrong but most people think in abusive situations they world just leave, but the sad reality is many people don't. A friend of mine once said to me: ' the only way a man will respect you is of he knows you don't need him'. This may not be true of all men but it is true for some.

I think you need to have a think about what's best for you and your children. Ask yourself, are you happy with this man? I think writing things down helps. I would make a list of good and bad points of your relationship. When the good outweighs the bad it may be time to reassess the situation. You are strong and you do have the power to walk away if that's what you want. I understand your head will be all over the place. Writing down your feelings certainly makes things clearer. Think about positive things in your life: your children, friends and family. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide.xx
 
At the end of the day, you can only do something when you are ready and when you have had enough. We can all tell you what we all think you should do, easy for us to say...but this is up to you. When my sister was goiung through a relationship that was verbally abusive, I told her so many times what I thought she should do, what I was afraid of, how I was worried...but, I stopped. I instead just let her vent when she needed, and after TEN LOOONG years, she finally had enough, and left. Her children (three of them) all are now seeing a psychologist, therapy for abusive relationships and stopping the 'cycle', and abuse program at school. Alot of damage done, to all of them. I am not saying this to convince you, but I am saying this so you can think about it, but at the end of the day...we are here for whatever you decide, and when and IF you do ever decide to leave, then we will still be here for you. x
 
Look at that gorgeous precious baby boy, replay what he said about him..... and leave.

Hugs, hugs, hugs!!!!
Viv
 
Just a thought... could the reason his ex has banned him from contact with his child be the fact he's abusive? I know you say she used him for sperm, but I left my ex when I was 3 months pregnant because he raised his hand to me (well actually he choked me, but still) and I've heard from old friends he's said similar. These type of men can be very manipulative, he told me his ex was "psycho" and violent, I believed him. In fact, he had been violent with everyone of his exs and said this/wound me up about them so I wouldn't find out or doubt him.

Just consider why a woman would fight so hard to keep a man away from her child.
 
Just a thought... could the reason his ex has banned him from contact with his child be the fact he's abusive? I know you say she used him for sperm, but I left my ex when I was 3 months pregnant because he raised his hand to me (well actually he choked me, but still) and I've heard from old friends he's said similar. These type of men can be very manipulative, he told me his ex was "psycho" and violent, I believed him. In fact, he had been violent with everyone of his exs and said this/wound me up about them so I wouldn't find out or doubt him.

Just consider why a woman would fight so hard to keep a man away from her child.

HMMMMM very valid point. My ex had me to believe the same thing about his ex gf using him for his sperm and not letting him see his child. Led me to believe she was a crazy psycho who was a horrible person. Turns out, he cheated on her and stole from her. We're actually pretty good friends now and shes far from psycho. Found this out after he stole from ME..and cheated. Then of course everyone was like "Oh yeah that's how he is. abusive, cheater, steals" Hm thanks for warning me :dohh:
 
If I didn't know MOB so well, I would say you could be right. However by her own admission she A) tricked him into the pg saying she was on the pill and pretending to take it in front of him and B) wasn't even sure he was the father (there were 4 other candidates :dohh: At best MOB was as bad as OH if he ever was an ass to her.

I ripped into OH last night. I told him I was over the bullshit and almost over him and that next time the boys and I would be going. It took me two hours to finish what I wanted to say.

At first I got the same shit about how it was late, he was tired and didn't want to hear it, so on and so on. Until I stood up for myself :) I told him he was going to listen and the only reason he didn't want to listen was because he can't face the truth about the things he's done and the direction his life is going in.

He asked me for some slack and I said I ran out of that when he spoke to our son how he did and he didn't deserve *any* slack about that. I asked him what he would think of some random guy in the street saying that about his child. He said he'd think the man was f***ed up and needed help... which I asked if he thought he did. He said he did and wasn't coping, so I suggested he go back on anti-depressants, which he was on for a while before he met me. He didn't like that idea, but he did concede to the fact that he needs some kind of help.

I asked him if he thought he deserved me and the boys to stay with him. He said no, but that if he started to get some help, he would really like us to stay and couldn't face the idea of being without the boys.

I even asked him if he thought he was capable of parenting them. I went places I have never been with him before in this talk and it was actually liberating. Anyway, he claimed to me he would never physically harm them, which I asked him bluntly if he thought he would ever be capable of doing. That was my main concern. And honestly I think he is telling the truth about that, he hasn't ever raised a hand to me and I've never been concerned he would, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt about that.

I ripped into him about the long hours he does. A lot of them would not be necessary if his workmate pulled his weight. I sat up until 12:30am last night waiting for OH so I could get all this off my chest to him. He got defensive about it and made the usual excuses eg "what do you want me to do about it, someone has to do it or it won't get done, blah blah." Well, I didn't choose to be a single mother but that is what I've turned into. I said I might as well move out and be one for all he seemed to care.

He didn't like that, or the fact that whenever he said anything I threw it back at him and stated he'd said that before and I was sick of him making excuses and that nothing ever changed any time he said any of these things. I think it hit home that this time excuses and changing the subject weren't going to shut me up like they usually did if he tried shutting the conversation down.

I yelled at him about where he was at 10:30 last night while his workmate was off playing Daddy to kids that aren't even his, with his psycho girlfriend. This workmate was our housemate for months after the girlfriend cheated on him and was then physically abusive to him. He went back to her when she had "their" baby (paternity is not actually known, could be his, could be not) two days before L arrived for OH and I. This woman had him there being Daddy, yet my two sons do not see their actual father because she's too much of an idiot to cope by herself and ex-housemate just gives in and does what she says to keep the peace.

OH was shamed about that and I know he was. He was resentful of me at first for pointing out the irony, and then admitted he knew it wasn't fair and that he just took for granted that I wouldn't care and would be happy to hang out on my own as I was told he would be doing long hours. There's long hours and then there's taking the piss, which I said ex-HM was doing, whether he means to or not, and OH agreed and is going to speak to him about the HUGE disrepancy in their hours today. (If it isn't clear, they are the only two that work at this place.)

I really needed OH twice last night. First when Eamon choked on his tea-- it would have been helpful to have OH there and tbh at 6:30 pm he should be after leaving for work at 6 that morning. I was about to go to hospital with Eamon and drive him myself (I don't drive but know the basics how to for an emergency) when the food dislodged as I grabbed him and put him under my arm. Thank God.

The second time was when Eamon woke at 11pm screaming the house down for some reason. He got jealous of the baby, who started crying not long after I started settling Eamon and cuddling him. I went to pick Liam up and Eamon tried to grab and throw him away from me :( He screamed in my face every time I went to touch the baby, and grabbed my arm and hugged it to himself. He grabbed my face and turned it away from Liam and screamed at me some more.

If OH was there I could have had him take the baby, but as usual I was on my own. It broke my heart when Eamon slid off my lap, after I picked the baby up, who was screaming too by now. Eamon started bawling his eyes out with the most betrayed look on his dear little face, and walked away from me, howling all the way out of the room. I've never felt so horrible in my life. He was just devastated and in the end I plugged the Hoover in to quiet Liam and went and sat on Eamon's floor with him, rocking him for half an hour :(

At any rate I've given OH till Tuesday to think about what help he needs. I'm going to my parents' this morning and will probably stay till Tuesday as well. If we don't get something out of this, I officially give up!
 
Well done, I imagine it took a lot of strength to lay it all out there for him and to leave for a few days but hopefully its just whats needed for changes to happen. :hugs:
 
It wasn't easy. I didn't expect him to own up to not coping. Or needing help. At least now he's admitted it, we might turn a few corners.
 
I'm glad to hear that you stood up for yourself. I really hope things work out for you and your family.
 
Way to go!!!! What a big step. I am so proud of you and him! He acknowledged some things and I truly hope he follows through with getting help, and that you hold him to it. You should feel very happy and proud of yourself.
 
Well done hun. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Sorry you had such a shitty night xxx
 
It was pretty bad. OH has been good so far, he's home early tonight and we're chilling to car shows :)
 
Like all others have said, well done on standing up for yourself and your two little ones. I went through all 14 pages of this thread, now my 2 cents: Now if you can only stick to it, and don't let him go back to being the way he was before - as you did say he did change but only temporarily. If at any time he does go back to his old ways then I would leave as you gave him plenty of chances to change his attitude! And make sure he knows that is what is going to happen should he slip up. Good luck!
 
He's been told, no doubt about that :)
Thank you all you lovely girls for your support, it means the world to me :hugs:
 

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