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On the road again graduates

Cary i have no words to explain how sad i am that you have to go through this again. you deserve SO much more from life.
of course i'm happy to hear that you are in a better place mentally and physically than two weeks ago, and i admire you for your strength and sanity, but i just wish the things went the other way for you.

you deserve a miracle more than any other person i know, i totally second Red on this.
 
Thanks Skye...

I got a call from the doctor. My HCG is 200. This is good news. Looks like everything will be gone naturally. Passed some big clots today with pieces of tissue so I'm praying that it is 0 next Tuesday. Never thought I would be glad to see my HCG decline. The nurse said it could take weeks, but it went from 12000 to 200 in a week so I'm hoping it will finish up now.

Going to push for some testing to be done. I will be 40 in October and I have been at this now for 5 years. We've only had 2 pregnancies and 2 miscarriages. Something has got to give. I'm not leaving the dr next Tuesday without a plan of action.

Hope everyone is doing great and that all the LO's are all well and growing...
 
Hey Cary, if I remember correctly, your apt was yesterday. How did it go? Is your HCG down to 0? Also, did you talk to your doctor about testing and developing a plan of action? How did that go? I've been thinking about you a lot.
 
Hi girls :) Topanga cannot believe your almost out of the first tri already . It seemed to go really fast !!!!! I'm still waiting for the go ahead to try. ! Next appointment 22nd June so we will see what happens at that

Cary I hope your doing ok , well as well as you can be . I'm hope your faith brings you some comfort . Hope your appointment went well . Please keep in touch xx

Hi to everyone else :)
 
oh Topanga! unbelievable! 12 weeks already! it did go fast <3 i hope it also goes uneventful and smooth all the way through.

Cary i am also thinking of you a lot and i hope you'll get some answers from your doctors at least. how are you and OH doing?
 
Left- I'll be thinking of you on Monday!!! Fingers crossed!!!!

Cary- hope you're doing well.

Starry- any updates on DS?

Afm, yeah, between my job which is very busy, our house, and DD, time flies. I can NOT believe that I'm already 12 weeks. With DD, the first tri seemed to go on FOREVER. With this one, it feels like I just blinked and got to 12 weeks! A little scared the rest will go like that and baby will get here before we're ready! I do feel badly because I'm fairly tired still. I can make it through work alright, but by the time I get home at the end of the day, I really just want to sit/lie down on the couch. I don't think DD minds at all (she loves playing by herself), but I still feel so guilty. Otherwise, nothing new here. Gender scan is Aug. 3.
 
Gender scan in sight already!!! insane! i'm also super curious to know <3 are we allowed to do a guessing game?
 
Yes, we'll be finding out the gender and ABSOLUTELY ya'll are allowed to guess!

Obviously a healthy baby is the most important thing, but both DH and I would like another girl. Where they're so close in age, I would love to be able to have two sisters who are best friends, can play together, have tea parties together, etc. But, we shall see!
 
I'm getting girl vibes for you. :pink: Take that for what it's worth. :winkwink:

afm - DS is doing well. He's been in speech therapy for about 2 months now and we're seeing some improvement. It's slow-going but progress is progress. He's also had his first occupational therapy session and goes again this week. His occupational therapist seems to think he is on the higher functioning end of the spectrum.

DD is still not walking but she can do it. We can trick her into taking a step or two here and there but I guess she's not ready mentally. She is a knee-walker though. Her older brother was too. It's really funny. :haha: She's got some words too but isn't really talking. She mainly gestures for communication and I'm hoping that's still a good sign about her not having autism as well. Her doctor was impressed with her at her 12 month check up but it's the 12 to 18 month mark where signs usually show up. It's still wait and see.
 
Ugh. Guys I feel so at a loss. A friend of mine just lost her baby girl at 25 weeks. I'm so heartbroken for her I can't stand it. I don't know what to say or do. I feel like anything just won't be enough to communicate how much I understand the grief of pregnancy loss especially since I feel like what she's going through is so much worse than what I did with early miscarriages. I mean she already knew the sex and was feeling movement.
 
Red i am so sorry for your friend and her family, and as well as the grief that you are going through.

i find it really hard to "compare" late and early losses in terms of grief and understanding it. i think, down at the ground level - a mother and a father losing their child - the entity of the loss is the same. there is no baby in the end. the difference is that a late loss like that hits everybody harder and comes more of a surprise as the baby has been there for a while, also the slow-bonders usually manage to bond to it within 25 weeks, there's the bump, the kicks, it is all more real - which hurts more in one kind of way - but on the other hand it is way more acknowledged as a tragedy and less brushed off than an early loss, the couple or at least the mother gets way more support, as the news has already been broken and after those magical 12 weeks it seems that nothing can go wrong anymore (to someone who hasn't had losses).

i think you really CAN understand your friends grief - you lost a child, too, in the end.

late losses have the weight of all that time spent together, growing together, the perfect early scan pics, the heartbeat, the gender scan, the pics, the movements, all those memories...
early losses have the weight of never having had a chance to live even only that, to have very little to remind you of that baby. to have no monument, no gravestone, no sacred place where to go and grieve, and if you do make one for yourself, chances are you'll get some odd looks about it, while someone with a late loss won't.

late losses are more often met with dead silence, early ones are usually greeted with insensitive comments (i don't know what's worse, silence or "at so and so weeks it wasn't really a baby/what's there to be upset about/you're overreacting/" and of course, the magical "better early than later on" - whenever i heard that comment, all i could hear in my head was my own voice screaming "if you'd have to pick whether to spend 2 years or 5 years with your child, what would you fucking pick???").

maybe when approaching your friend, tell her that you don't know what it means to lose a child so far along, but that you do know how it feels to lose a child, the emptiness inside, how heart wrenching it is to be empty-handed at the EDD. that you don't want to compare your grieves and your situations as it makes no sense, but that it has been the toughest thing that you personally ever went through and that you're there for her.

and if she comes out with something insensitive towards your loss in those very first moments, try not to take it personally and forgive her as quick as you can. that amount of pain and grief can make even the most caring, understanding person lash out and launch venom around... and as much as it hurts and sucks, it is understandable in a way.

i'm sending you a massive massive hug <3 my heart goes out to your friend and to you as well <3
 
Red that's so sad . Your poor friend . I suppose all you can do is be there for her in whatever way she needs . Sometimes its not about what you say , as you know nothing said makes it any better but just knowing people are around to support you is a comfort . Talking about the baby with them can help as many people find it too difficult and tend not to mention the baby as they might upset the person . In fact the opposite is true . Most mums who has suffered a loss WANT to remember their baby , have them acknowledged and remembered .

Try remember your friend is the same person just a sad version of herself . She may not be ok but she will be . Being with her even is silence is enough sometimes .
 
Ladies thanks for the thoughts. It's amazing the insight we have as a collective group. Sugh beautiful words brought on by the common understanding of grief and pregnancy loss. I managed to compose a message to my friend that if nothing else let her know that she was in my thoughts.
 
Red, I'm so sorry about your friend. That's horrible. I second what the other ladies said and I'm glad you were able to send her a message. I just wanted to add something I sent to a friend who recently had an early loss. I sent my condolences and said that it had meant a lot to me to have people check in on me periodically, so unless she told me not to, I would send her messages from time to time to check in. I told her she should not feel like she has to say anything back if she doesn't want to talk and I wouldn't be the least bit offended; I just wanted her to know someone was thinking of her.

My prayers for your friend. :hugs:
 
Hi everyone! Sorry I've been MIA. It was a rough couple of weeks. Three weeks ago my HCG was 47 but they were worried about the lining and blood pooling into the uterus. They thought there was retained tissue and wanted me to take a pill. After the cramping pain I had with the actual miscarriage I told them no way. They were thinking d&c. But, I got AF a week later and the final pieces of tissue came out. As of last Tuesday my HCG was 3 :-)

I'm back to temping but not sure so I'm not really pushing to TTC. The dr mentioned testing me for blood clotting disorders but that I can't do anything for 8-12 weeks. My allergist told me to make sure I get the tests. When I was 16 I had ITP (a blood clotting disorder) and there is a connection since they are both autoimmune diseases. On top of that I was diagnosed with graves (hyperthyroid) which is another autoimmune.

If that is the case then I have a good chance of carrying the next pregnancy.

I'm in a good place now, but it was difficult for awhile.
 
Red, I'm so sorry about your friend.

To panga how are you feeling?

Hi Skye... HOWS the new home?

Left... Are you TTC NOW?
 
oh Cary thank you so much for your update <3

i am glad to hear your doctors might be getting onto something that could be a treatable cause of your problems - and since lots of it is autoimmune - maybe you should also get checked for the anti-sperm antibodies, just to rule that out as your difficulty with TTC so far - if it turns out that your body developed antibodies against your OHs sperm, that is also treatable like other allergies and should help the TTC part.

we had a little problem with the new flat as the owner cancelled the rental thing and then got back to us 10 days later apologizing and saying everything is fine in the end, we had a massive shock as we were already getting ready for everything and now we want a better contract and ALL the documentation signed at once (he managed to cancel it all as some documentation on his side was pending).
so we DID get the same great place in the end, after thinking we'd lost it for good for 10 days or so, started looking for other, less convenient and more expensive things and giving up on some nice furniture ideas we've had (we are crafting some ourselves and were in the middle of the carpentry works which are also eating up LOADS of our available space at the moment).

..but all good now. AF was two days late and my boobs were weirdly tender that it almost got me thinking "oh fuck" but deep within i didn't feel pregnant so postponed the testing and bam it showed up. i'm relieved as i've been dragging wooden boards and breathing paint and solvents and saw dust so i'd be terrified if i were pregnant now.

cary -- i admire your strength so so much. and i keep my fingers crossed for you and your OH with all my heart!

Topanga - i am thinking of you a lot as well and impatiently waiting for august 3rd! how are things at yours?

Starry - how r your little rainbows doing?

Left - green light to ttc?

ah ladies, a real-life coffee would be great!
 
Cary- I'm so happy that you're in a better place (although I'm sure it's still very hard) and I am ECSTATIC that they think they might have found the cause for your MCs. I hope so much that they've identified it, so they can treat it and your next pregnancy can be your rainbow. I want that so badly for you!!! You definitely deserve it. Please keep us updated with the testing!!!

Skye- ahhh so much stress!! So glad to hear that the rental is back on and that AF showed up (well, not really GLAD about that one, as much as I'm happy since you would have worried so much and don't want your BFP quite yet... but I'm definitely ready for the day that that BFP does come!!!).

Afm, everything is going fine, as far as I know. Really just waiting for August 3rd. Our 7 year wedding anniversary is on August 1, so hopefully the scan goes well and it's a nice little anniversary present. I'm still worried, obviously. I'm not sure that ever goes away completely, but this time is easier. Less worrisome.

Anyway, we already had a photo shoot with our favorite photographer scheduled for the following week (we made that apt LOOONNG before this BFP.. we just wanted some uptodate pictures with LO), so the timing is perfect. If the scan goes well, we'll do a gender reveal in the professional pics with LO, so that will be fun. Still trying to decide how we would want to do it.

How's everyone else??

Left-- any news???
 

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