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[ginny83]

I've had three d&ds

First one was for my 12 week loss. Found out at the 12 week scan and baby measured on time but no HB. Didn't end up having the dnc though until close to 14 weeks coz I had a stupid gp that insisted on doing a repeat hcg check first ?! I was advised that because the baby, placenta etc was getting bigger a DNC was safest option in case they gave me that tablet to induced the miscarriage and bled too much ast home.

Then with the 16 week loss I had a couple of options. I could have that tablet (can't remember the name) and stay overnight and basically deliver the baby - was told it would be like a mini labour. I chose the surgery option though as I didn't want to see the baby. So it's actually a bit more of an invasive procedures than a standard DNC, however as I still needed to have that tablet before I went in my waters actually broke and I had a mini labour (very painful but not as bad as a full term labour). I ended up delivering the baby as they put me to sleep.

Third DNC was for 14 week baby and went a similar way as the 16 week one where I experienced waters breaking but nothing else kick started beforethe surgery

 

[Tasha]

Ginny.

D, I think it depends where you are as they don't offer d&c for second tri losses here. All my friends who've had 14 weeks or further on that are in the uk have had to labour.

 

[kelly1973]

Wow 7 weeks is early I'm still too scared to use mine last preg I used it I found at 8 +4 and 8 + 5 then no more I went for emergency scan and had died at 8+5 so it made me think I harmed it.
Ladies with the progesterone I know you can insert both ways but have a silly question is it best to insert into botty as I do the doodle way but I'm worried I will hurt the pregnancey as it seems to go far

 

[ginny83]

They referred to it as a d&e.I think its to do with how they get the cervix open and how big do they need to open it. Maybe because I had a baby before it changed things too?

I was a bit worried the dncs might have damaged my cervix but it was perfectly fine during this pregnancy. Although when I got an internal just before I was induced I was already almost 3cms!

 

[Tasha]

I did vaginally at first Hun as my doctors recommended it but now the other way as my prem clinic doctor says that way is better. He said that many recurrent miscarriage doctors prefer vaginally but that when you get further on they say the other as the risk of introducing a bacteria that results in PROM

 

[Tasha]

Yeah, they don't routinely offer d&e's here. They say/think labour etc 'helps' with the grieving process.

I doubt the 3cm is due to d&c's as if they had damaged your cervix it would probably shown earlier than that x

 

[Hope39]

Wow 7 weeks is early I'm still too scared to use mine last preg I used it I found at 8 +4 and 8 + 5 then no more I went for emergency scan and had died at 8+5 so it made me think I harmed it.
Ladies with the progesterone I know you can insert both ways but have a silly question is it best to insert into botty as I do the doodle way but I'm worried I will hurt the pregnancey as it seems to go far

Think of it like this Kelly, sex is safe in pregnancy and a progesterone suppository is weigh smaller (if your lucky, ha ha )

 

[Tasha]

Hahaha

 

[kelly1973]

Lmao soooooo funny yeah good point
For some reason I can't seem to get my head round if it goes up the back way how it can do the same job at what stage did you change tasha?

 

[Tasha]

12 weeks xx

 

[ginny83]

I did it the other way coz I was getting spotting that I'm sure was down to using them vaginally


Sometimes I regret not seeing my angel but I think the image I have in my head of him is a nicer way for me to remember him by

 

[DSemcho]

Ginny - I'm sorry you went through all of that. And thank you for sharing. It helps me because then I have an idea of what could happen. I've found I react better when I know what will happen rather than having things sprung on me.

Kelly - I do mine orally because it's a brand I bought off of the Turkish economy. Because I got it off base the doctors on base aren't allowed to advise me at all on dosage.

I saw somewhere someone mentioned that being thirsty all the time could be a sign of gestational diabetes, is it true?

 

[Tasha]

don't regret it Hun. There are no rights or wrong just doing what we need to in those moments.

Yes, it can be a sign of diabetes any how so certainly GD too. Are they dip sticking your urine?

 

[petitpas]

Tasha, glad you got the info about the green top guidelines. Page 4 at the top is what you're looking for - a referral to a clotting specialist in pregnancy (usually a haematologist).

D, I used my doppler most until my 12 week scan and blood test. Then really just rarely after. I never bothered once I could feel the baby move. I am wondering that if you don't get the doppler until after 13 weeks it might not actually be worth the hassle and expense? Obviously, if it is cheap then go ahead but if not I am not sure it is worth it. Especially, since you are well beyond your critical point, right?

The progesterone is absorbed in the same way whether you put it in the front or the back door. You might even be able to get the same absorption if you stuck it up your nose or in your eyes, I don't know So in terms of function both work the same. The advantage of the back passage is that a) you don't irritate the cervix causing potential bleeding and b) it stays in longer. You know when you use the front and then you get up to pee clumps start coming out straight away? Well, if that happens within a certain time frame (sorry, can't remember) then you would have to put another pessary up there. If you use the back door the white waxy stuff only comes out when you go for a bowel movement. So the progesterone has a longer time to be absorbed.

AFM, I've been put on antibiotics in a last ditch attempt to get rid of my lurgy before my section in six days. Fingers crossed it works! It's a weird one where apart from the normal snot/sinus pressure/blocked ears I wake up choking several times a night because something is swollen at the top of my throat. I can't even swallow and it has been going on for almost six weeks. Not something I would like to experience whilst on the operating table. My doctor also confirmed that my oxygen saturation was a bit low. I thought as much. I seem to be affected more strongly by colds these days and with all the choking etc. I often have blue lips in the morning. So glam
I'm almost ready to have this baby!

 

[DSemcho]

No matter what because of my losses I'm going to worry and it will help me. Plus it'll be amazing when we get to see our families and I'm pregnant we can whip it out and let them listen. We all thought I'd never make it this far.

 

[Hope39]

Lmao soooooo funny yeah good point
For some reason I can't seem to get my head round if it goes up the back way how it can do the same job at what stage did you change tasha?

Your body absorbs the progesterone hun so it doesnt matter which way it goes in, its absorption thing. however i have heard back entrace is better for absorption x

 

[dairymomma]

On the progesterone topic, I take it orally and I've heard that way works just as well as the other way but it can take a bit longer for it to work initially as it has to be metabolized through the liver (or something) before it can get to the uterus. The other way is supposed to be better for direct delivery but my dr has always prescribed the oral form and it's worked for me so I'm sticking with it.

AFM-I wish guys could go through pregnancy. I seriously do. Not just the belly and the physical discomforts but the hormones and the symptoms and all that stuff too. The whole shebang. DH and I had a bit of a tiff last night because I forgot to pay some bills on time and now we'll have a few bucks going to late fees. It just irks me to no end because one of my biggest pg symptoms is forgetfulness-like I can write a list in big black 2 foot tall letters and stick one on the ceiling, on every wall, in the van, etc. and I'll have it tattooed on my hand, reminders on my phone, sticky notes plastered e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e. but I'll STILL forget something on that list. I told him last night that I wish he were more understanding about this. It's not an excuse. If he thinks HE'S frustrated when stuff like this happens, think about what it's like for me! I told him flat out that it's not fun walking around with your brains scrambled and I've had this happen every single time I'm pg. Instead of him crabbing at me, I wish he would give me a hug and tell me it'll be okay. We'll figure something out. But it's like he can't wrap his head around the fact that I can literally forget something while I'm looking at it on a list. I wish I could give him a jab of pg hormones and see how HE likes have swiss cheese for brains...

Sorry, I just needed to get this out. I don't know if anyone else is this forgetful when pg but man, it's rough...

 

[Tasha]

Thanks Pip. It was really helpful to read before I went as I felt fully informed.

The other thing is the introduction of bacteria if used vaginally, the prem doctor said that you can wash your hands really well but still not get rid of the risk completely. They might be extra cautious with me though as I'm at risk of PROM as I've had it once.

Dairy tell him to pay it if he is so perfect. Or just rant at us and bite your tongue. Yes I'm so forgetful when preg, forget to pay stuff, forget to call people, but things and I would say over fifty percent of my conversations result in me forgetting what I was talking about lucky for me (or rather unlucky) DH is equally forgetful ALL the time so I would tell him to p*ss off if he said anything.

AFM - My consultant was fabulous. He is the one who promised sooooo much after RR died and it had all been gone against. He only went to clinic to see me so shows he took it seriously. Any way first we talked about the blood thinner issue, he told me that they treat DVT with 80mg for my weight but I'm on double that so my blood thinners are extremely high and they wouldn't usually prescribe that high but I've sought advice from various places and taken ownership of my condition so he has no worries or concerns about me continuing it, if I wish so I am.

He then said he agreed with fortnightly growth scans from early, that my babies who've died in second and third tri have done so quickly and four weekly didn't save Honey or Riley Rae.

Says it's my body and he needs to listen to me. Big sigh of relief there was no fight.

He actually delivered my brother almost thirty years ago, told him so, he wasn't pleased

 

[petitpas]

Oh Tasha, finally!
Will you mostly be seeing the same guy from now on?

 

[Mrs Reineke]

Good morning ladies,

DSemcho, that's so amazing you saw your baby moving!!! I can't wait for that blessing!! I have a FUPA too. Hate it!!!

Ginny, I can't even imagine what you have been through. You are one tough lady.

petitpas, getting ready for baby!! How exciting!!

dairymomma, I'm seriously brain dead!! I forget the simplest things.

Tasha, I'm glad your doctor was so understanding and agreed with you. That's got to feel good.