parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

[pinklightbulb]

The daycares here will inform the non-vaxxing parents if there is an outbreak and the child is kept home until the outbreak passes. I don't know if you can ask about other children's medical records because really, that's what you are asking information from.

 

[Leesy]

The daycares here will inform the non-vaxxing parents if there is an outbreak and the child is kept home until the outbreak passes. I don't know if you can ask about other children's medical records because really, that's what you are asking information from.

Yes, I would assume medical records of children would be kept confidential. I would only want to know as I may choose to not send my LO to a child care to be around unvaccinated children as he will not be fully vaccinated due to his age.

 

[pinklightbulb]

I don't know if they disclose vax status here I tell people mine is unvaxxed though if they want a playdate and it's never been an issue. (Neither of my sons are done and they've never infected each other with anything.)

 

[Tasha]

I guess they could get round that by saying some are vaxxed/some arent, if that is the case, then they are not specifiying who or what, iykwim?

 

[Leesy]

I guess they could get round that by saying some are vaxxed/some arent, if that is the case, then they are not specifiying who or what, iykwim?

That's what i thought, then technically no child / families personal medical records are made public. I have never looked into child care before, but i assume is your child vaccinated would be a question on the paper work somewhere?

ETA - Not sure if i'm over thinking it all? FTM....

 

[overcomer79]

Here we had to provide up to date immunization records when he was in a big daycare. We go to an in home daycare now and she def wants them vaccinated. You could maybe ask if they allow exemptions for vaccinations and express your concerns?

 

[sue_88]

I read to page 14, got bored so just decided to post my reply

I will vaccinate Millie when she is born, only avoiding the Hep B vaccine. There is no reason for her to have that so young when it is primary a sexually transmitted infection, and through contaminated needle use.

I definitely have no opinion on whether people choose to not vaccinate, or vaccinate, I just know my choice is to vaccinate. And luckily, most people in the UK also follow suite so I don't feel too worried about contact with an unvaxxed child.

I do have one question though - I have read two threads like this and always wanted to ask it.....but I really don't want it taken the wrong way. I don't mean any harm, or any upset - just a genuine question for the non-vaxxed mums/kids. (please don't shoot me down - if you are unhappy with the question - ignore it.) Here goes.......

If you had a child (unvaxxed) who died from whooping cough / measles, or other disease for which a vaccine was available.......would you then choose to vaccinate your other / future children?

 

[Tasha]

If you had a child (unvaxxed) who died from whooping cough / measles, or other disease for which a vaccine was available.......would you then choose to vaccinate your other / future children?

Loraloo asked this question already (I know you didnt see it so thought I would tell you ). One person responded and said they still would not vax.

 

[sue_88]

If you had a child (unvaxxed) who died from whooping cough / measles, or other disease for which a vaccine was available.......would you then choose to vaccinate your other / future children?

Loraloo asked this question already (I know you didnt see it so thought I would tell you ). One person responded and said they still would not vax.

Thank you. My boredom got the better of me. I will now read all other pages.

 

[tinytabby]

If you're so bored by it, why did you bother to post?

I have just read the entire thread.

I think...

I doubt anyone can change anyone who is anti-vax's mind. They seem to be very set in their decision.

There is such a range of people who ado vaccinate that you can't really generalise about them in the same way. This range goes from those who vaccinate according to the schedule to those who pick and choose which vaccines to give their kids and when.

We all range from the uninformed to the well informed to the misinformed.

No one seems to have observed that there is a big difference between not vaccinating for what I would call valid reasons - eg egg allergy or previous reactions - and what I'd call invalid reasons eg believing that vaccines are a moneymaking scheme by drug companies.

Obviously that's my observation and opinion. I have no problem with parents who choose not to vaccinate because there is a likelihood that their child will be harmed by a vaccination. But I do with parents who make their decision based on conspiracy theories or 'bad science'. They all put our children's health at risk.

Of course we could debate what is 'bad science'.

I know this is a provocative thing to say. Hopefully it is received in the debate spirit it is intended rather than any desire to offend.

 

[kit10grl]

If you're so bored by it, why did you bother to post?

I have just read the entire thread.

I think...

I doubt anyone can change anyone who is anti-vax's mind. They seem to be very set in their decision.

There is such a range of people who ado vaccinate that you can't really generalise about them in the same way. This range goes from those who vaccinate according to the schedule to those who pick and choose which vaccines to give their kids and when.

We all range from the uninformed to the well informed to the misinformed.

No one seems to have observed that there is a big difference between not vaccinating for what I would call valid reasons - eg egg allergy or previous reactions - and what I'd call invalid reasons eg believing that vaccines are a moneymaking scheme by drug companies.

Obviously that's my observation and opinion. I have no problem with parents who choose not to vaccinate because there is a likelihood that their child will be harmed by a vaccination. But I do with parents who make their decision based on conspiracy theories or 'bad science'. They all put our children's health at risk.

Of course we could debate what is 'bad science'.

I know this is a provocative thing to say. Hopefully it is received in the debate spirit it is intended rather than any desire to offend.

regarding the bolded statement I'm not really sure we should BE trying to change the mind of anti vaxers. The implication thast we should is still saying their choice isnt as valid as the choice of those who do vaccinate. As in yes they are set in their decision but they have still chosen wrong.

Also where you say there is a huge range of people who vaccinate so you cant generalise about them. Surely the same applies to antivaxers?

 

[tinytabby]

I'm pro vax. I am concerned by the rise in people who choose not to vaccinate their children for non-confirmed reasons because the evidence suggests to me that they are putting other children at risk, including my baby.

I distinguish between anti vax and non-vax. Non vax to me would be people who have a confirmed medical reason not to vaccinate. That to me would be perfectly valid. Anti would be those who have made up their mind not to vaccinate based on other reasons. IMO these seem to be more of a grey area, some based on blatant misinformation and scaremongering and 'bad science.'

Sure I'm generalising. I'm entitled to my opinion though, aren't I?

I think that some people who argue for vaccinations here do want to change these people's minds. We want vaccinations to work, for there to be herd immunity. For there to be no more of these terrifying outbreaks of vaccinatable diseases.

 

[MillieJoan]

I distinguish between anti vax and non-vax. Non vax to me would be people who have a confirmed medical reason not to vaccinate. That to me would be perfectly valid. Anti would be those who have made up their mind not to vaccinate based on other reasons. IMO these seem to be more of a grey area, some based on blatant misinformation and scaremongering and 'bad science.'

Sure I'm generalising. I'm entitled to my opinion though, aren't I?

Obviously, as you said earlier, there is a wide range of opinions as to what constitutes "bad science," and even misinformation. Some (not all, of course) of us who choose not to vaccinate do so based on what we perceive to be evidence that the science behind vaccines isn't "good" science itself. And when you say for a decision not to vaccinate to be valid in your eyes, it needs to be based on something bad having ALREADY HAPPENED to the child because of a previous vaccine--well, frankly, I find that offensive and dangerous. My SIL has nearly died on more than one occasion from epilepsy, which seems to have been triggered by the DTaP vaccine she received as a child (as I've already said, her legs swelled up within minutes of the vaccine, and she started having convulsions that same day). She's had epilepsy ever since. And yes, she is on medication for it--medication that doesn't always work, and whose side effects have negatively impacted her life (including paranoid delusions). To say something like that should have to happen to a child before his or her parents would be justified in refusing vaccines is inhumane. I'm sorry for being less than polite about this, but honestly, that galls me.

 

[tinytabby]

But equally I can argue that for every person I know who is vaccine damaged (actually no one excect people on here) I know at least 10 people in real life who have been damaged in some way by infectious diseases that have vaccinations readily available.

Forget my anecdotal evidence - there is solid statistical evidence that indicates that the likelihood of being damaged by an illness is much much higher than by a vaccine.

Yes, there is an element of risk with vaccinations, but it is much lower than that of catching the diseases.

I am not suggesting people should be forced into getting vaccinations. But I do think it wrong of people to say - for example - they are worried about autism when the link has been disproven.

I'm sorry that my opinion offends you. It's just a stupid opinion of someone you don't know on the internet. I wouldn't worry too much about what I think.

 

[pinklightbulb]

I'm anti-vax and not changing my mind. But I have no choice other than to vax Eamon very soon as our country doesn't allow unvaxxed children in school without a waiver, which we don't qualify for.

 

[Feronia]

I am not suggesting people should be forced into getting vaccinations. But I do think it wrong of people to say - for example - they are worried about autism when the link has been disproven.

This gets to me. No, the link hasn't been disproven -- it has just not been proven. There's a difference. Recently two families were awarded millions of dollars due to their children being harmed by vaccines and having autism: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html. The courts admitted that vaccines caused the boy's encephalopathy which led to his autism, but it sounds like the medical records are sealed and that access to information is limited. So if a vaccine causes encephalopathy that causes autism, it's not hard to see how the vaccine causes autism indirectly. I think this shows that continuing to examine the issue is very much warranted.

Sorry that you think people need to have what you consider to be "legitimate" not to vaccination. I agree with MillieJoan said -- it's unreasonable to expect people to wait until their children are vaccine damaged to discontinue vaccination just so that their position is "legitimate."

I'm anti-vax and not changing my mind. But I have no choice other than to vax Eamon very soon as our country doesn't allow unvaxxed children in school without a waiver, which we don't qualify for.

That's unfortunate. I don't know about vaccination in Australia, but I know that even in parts of the States where it's hard to get a waiver, peeople still manage to get them. (Usually they're non-religious people who use the religious waiver anyway.) Is that not a possibility if you feel strongly against getting the vaccinations?

 

[Scottish mum]

I have to admit before coming on bnb I had never heard of people choosing not to vaccinate there children! I brought this up with my health visitor who told me in her opinion it's a risky decision by the parent! Hv is not paid to sell vaccines and doesn't get anything out of it! I understand every parent has the right to there own opinion but unfortunatley your child doesn't have a say!! X

 

[lhancock90]

I have to admit before coming on bnb I had never heard of people choosing not to vaccinate there children! I brought this up with my health visitor who told me in her opinion it's a risky decision by the parent! Hv is not paid to sell vaccines and doesn't get anything out of it! I understand every parent has the right to there own opinion but unfortunatley your child doesn't have a say!! X

Which its why, on their behalf, its best to fully research before making your decision either way

 

[tinytabby]

I never said 'wait to find out if a child is damaged' by a vaccine.

If a child is allergic to eggs or any other ingredient in a vaccine that would be a good reason to avoid vaccines. So would a family history of vaccine damage or even dare I say it, autism.

However, if a child is healthy and there is no reason to be cautious then surely the best thing to do is vaccinate?

 

[MillieJoan]

I never said 'wait to find out if a child is damaged' by a vaccine.

If a child is allergic to eggs or any other ingredient in a vaccine that would be a good reason to avoid vaccines. So would a family history of vaccine damage or even dare I say it, autism.

However, if a child is healthy and there is no reason to be cautious then surely the best thing to do is vaccinate?

But many vaccines are given before children are old enough to even start solids. There would be no way to know many of their allergies.

ETA: I know this is anecdotal and doesn't prove anything, but my SIL was, but all accounts, perfectly healthy before the DTaP, and no one else in their family had a history of issues with vaccines. (Of course, their parents had had a very different vaccine schedule as kids, with a lot fewer jabs total, just as my daughter would have a different schedule than I did).