Pregnant ladies with dogs..

[Serenyx]

If u read it properly ur'll see my daughter fell by accident. The dog wasnt wound up at all. Im in my 30's and have had dogs all my life im not stupid. Read it properly before u pass comment

No one is disputing that your daughter falling on the dog was an accident The part that has us concerned was this part:

Yesterday problem arose when my daughter wouldnt leave lulu alone

This is why people are saying that you need to give your dog a break from your daughter when your daughter 'wont leave her alone'. The dog has a limited way of conveying that she is uncomfortable in a situation so you need to make sure that those situations do not arise

 

[MrsBump1]

If u read it properly ur'll see my daughter fell by accident. The dog wasnt wound up at all. Im in my 30's and have had dogs all my life im not stupid. Read it properly before u pass comment

No one is disputing that your daughter falling on the dog was an accident The part that has us concerned was this part:

Yesterday problem arose when my daughter wouldnt leave lulu alone

This is why people are saying that you need to give your dog a break from your daughter when your daughter 'wont leave her alone'. The dog has a limited way of conveying that she is uncomfortable in a situation so you need to make sure that those situations do not arise

But you both assume that i was mearly standing by allowing my daughter to do as she pleased to the dog which was not the case at all. Im teaching my daughter to respect the dog which takes time, espcially as she is only 14 months. When lulu has had enough she she lets me know and has a massive comfy bed upstairs in the peace and quiet

 

[dizz]

Telling a dog off for growling when it's had a whole lump of toddler land on it? That's just wrong. A growl isn't aggression it's an "oi knock it off please that's irritating" - remove that warning system and what else does a dog have to communicate the fact it's getting wound up with? Teeth.

I'm not going to worry about mine - major thing I'm going to do. They've had a good sniff of all the baby stuff as it's come into the house (one's got her eyes on the cuddly toy that goes boing but it ain't happening missy), one won't be bothered at all because he's an anti-social daddy's dog (although he seems to regard my bump as a convenient pillow), the other is very likely to lick, then fart, roll over and go to sleep - and neither side gets left with the other side unsupervised basically.

And no, I'm never going to be tolerant and sit there happily describing tail pulling, doggy riding and general mauling of animals like a relative of mine does... I was brought up with cats and was always taught they weren't toys, they didn't always want to play and to respect them - and would have been in seriously hot water if I'd ever crossed those boundaries. No animal should have to put up with that - and no kids should have to put up with the consequences of it either... how many of the dog attack reports include comments like "he was such a family dog, the kids would jump all over him and he just turned."

 

[MrsBump1]

Well when u actually have a child and ur dog growls at it i'll be keen to see your gut reaction to the situation.

Bugger me anyone would think i let my child beat the dog with sticks! There was no tail pulling, ear pulling fingers up nose or in eyes. My daughter is very loving and was wanting to cuddle all the time and THAT was what i meant by not leaving the dog alone. I will just add, again, that i was NOT allowi g her to smoother the dog and she was being told that that was enough. The dog was not begging to leave the room, in fact she was laying down. My duaghter was trying to get on the sofa when she slipped and fell and landed on the dogs tail. I do the warnings and tellings off in my house and not the dog and i couldnt give a rip what anyone else thinks of that. The majority of the time all is peaceful here!

 

[dizz]

Well when u actually have a child and ur dog growls at it i'll be keen to see your gut reaction to the situation.

Bugger me anyone would think i let my child beat the dog with sticks! There was no tail pulling, ear pulling fingers up nose or in eyes. My daughter is very loving and was wanting to cuddle all the time and THAT was what i meant by not leaving the dog alone. I will just add, again, that i was NOT allowi g her to smoother the dog and she was being told that that was enough. The dog was not begging to leave the room, in fact she was laying down. My duaghter was trying to get on the sofa when she slipped and fell and landed on the dogs tail. I do the warnings and tellings off in my house and not the dog and i couldnt give a rip what anyone else thinks of that. The majority of the time all is peaceful here!

Someone twice your size falls on you or steps on your foot while shopping or whatever - are you going to be silent or are you just going to do an "oww watch it"... that's all the growl was - you're lucky you don't have my dog - she'd have staged a full on Shakesperian tragedy she's such a drama queen!


But no we're going to throw in hte "I've got a child I'm more entitled to have a view than you" trump card cos you're losing an argument.

You remove the ability of the dog to growl, you're removing their only way of warning you that they're becoming uncomfortable with the situation. Now I'd rather my dogs be able to tell me that they're unhappy, and me be able to act on that warning, than for me to sit happy in utter ignorance that my dog's getting wound up - and for him to not be able to take that anymore and use the only other way he's got to get a situation stopped - and bare his teeth.

I get sick and tired of idiotic parents assuming a growl's automatically aggression - that's the kind of stupid idea that leads to dogs being dumped in rescues... what would you like your dog to do? Pen you a letter that he's getting really rather irrate now and that hurt when you landed on me so would you kindly not do it again please old chap?!?! He can't do that - all he can do is use body language (can you read that), growl and the variety of barks he has.

 

[MrsBump1]

Well when u actually have a child and ur dog growls at it i'll be keen to see your gut reaction to the situation.

Bugger me anyone would think i let my child beat the dog with sticks! There was no tail pulling, ear pulling fingers up nose or in eyes. My daughter is very loving and was wanting to cuddle all the time and THAT was what i meant by not leaving the dog alone. I will just add, again, that i was NOT allowi g her to smoother the dog and she was being told that that was enough. The dog was not begging to leave the room, in fact she was laying down. My duaghter was trying to get on the sofa when she slipped and fell and landed on the dogs tail. I do the warnings and tellings off in my house and not the dog and i couldnt give a rip what anyone else thinks of that. The majority of the time all is peaceful here!

Someone twice your size falls on you or steps on your foot while shopping or whatever - are you going to be silent or are you just going to do an "oww watch it"... that's all the growl was - you're lucky you don't have my dog - she'd have staged a full on Shakesperian tragedy she's such a drama queen!


But no we're going to throw in hte "I've got a child I'm more entitled to have a view than you" trump card cos you're losing an argument.

You remove the ability of the dog to growl, you're removing their only way of warning you that they're becoming uncomfortable with the situation. Now I'd rather my dogs be able to tell me that they're unhappy, and me be able to act on that warning, than for me to sit happy in utter ignorance that my dog's getting wound up - and for him to not be able to take that anymore and use the only other way he's got to get a situation stopped - and bare his teeth.

I get sick and tired of idiotic parents assuming a growl's automatically aggression - that's the kind of stupid idea that leads to dogs being dumped in rescues... what would you like your dog to do? Pen you a letter that he's getting really rather irrate now and that hurt when you landed on me so would you kindly not do it again please old chap?!?! He can't do that - all he can do is use body language (can you read that), growl and the variety of barks he has.

firstly im not using any trump card.

second, yes i can actually read my dogs body language. When she wants some peace and quiet she stands by the baby gate and gets let out to go where else she pleases.

im not lossing any argument as im not having an argument. You people dont know me, my dog or my child. You've taken something, that yes i maybe should have been more clear about in the first place, and drawn your own conclusions.

Also i dont believe a growl means my dog is about to rip my child apart at all (and havent once said that i do). But what i allow in MY house with MY dog and MY child is MY business. I have a very happy dog and child 99.9% of the time.

 

[zozarini]

Hi ladies,

I think a bit of a mix up has been had here. I can read Mrs Bumps posts both ways and I dont think she meant that Lulu takes stick from her daughter all the time and is sitting annoy. I think by the sounds of it Mrs Bump got a fright as it wa the first time her dog has growled at baby. I would prob get a surprise too. However, yes dogs are not humans and therefore cannot talk to us to say "im pissed" they only have noise to go on.
On the other hand if Mrs Bump said she didnt say anthing to dog she would have no doubt got comments about that too.
If you know dogs and treat them as dogs and not humans we know that certain behavours are not indending threat however, to someone who thinks dogs are all cute and cuddly a growl to a child could be the killer dog syndrome. I think Mrs bump just got a fright and shared her experience. Now the advise that has been offered may help Mrs Bump in the future it may not.. but I think Mrs Browns situation has been discussed enough.

I started the thread looking for advice/stories/opinions on how to bring a baby into an environment with pets and would like to hear more, I did not intend for anyone to be offended and I appreciate all words of advise as its good to learn from others who have experience and knowledge

xxx