Recurrent Miscarriage Thread

[dairymomma]

Momys-First off, I'm so sorry for your losses. I had a similar experience last summer. I had spotting at 9+5 so I went in and had a scan which showed an SCH behind the placenta. No one said anything about it affecting the placenta but my dr did caution me that I wasn't out of the woods so I do wonder if she saw something in the report or on the ultrasound that made her suspicious. I heard the hb at 11+4 and it was strong/steady so I thought I was good. 3 weeks later, an u/s showed baby had gone 1-3 days earlier. I do think the SCH compromised the blood flow to the placenta too much as the baby was looking good/strong hb prior to this but no one can tell me 100% that that is what happened. And I opted for a D&C since I didn't want to go through a 14 week loss at home with two toddlers to tend to and I knew 2nd tri losses can have an increased risk of hemorrhage. I'm glad I did. My D&C was quick, I was in and out of the hospital in 4.5 hours, and my pain/bleeding were minimal afterwards.

Also, have they done any testing on you, DH, and/or your losses? Typically after 3 losses, most drs will offer to test for common miscarriage issues like clotting disorders and hormone imbalances. I see you know you have progesterone issues but have they looked at anything else? I hope you get some answers this time.

 

[Momys]

petitpas and dairymom, after my last loss my midwife referred me to an OB. She basically wasn't interested in doing any testing, she told me I was old, and my eggs were old (in those words ) and that I will likely never fall pregnant again. I showed her the hormone testing I had done through my naturopath which showed no signs of being peri-menopausal. She had no interest in that and basically let me know that she thought I was crazy for wanting more children.
I was 40 at the time, and have 8 children (7 biological).
We're not actively trying, but we're not actively preventing. This is the decision we made for our family and although I understand the risks that go with getting older, I also know that 4 miscarriages in a row is NOT normal, especially since I've never had any before this. Our last baby was born when I was 38.

I had my hormones tested, only progesterone seemed to be an issue. Thyroid was fine, too.
I'm going to request testing for clotting issues.

I'm seeing that SAME OB tomorrow to discuss my options. I think I'll be upfront with her and explain that we would like some testing and ask whether she would be more comfortable referring us to someone else.

I'm dreading tomorrow, to be honest!

 

[confuzion]

First of all - sorry for your losses momys

Secondly, I am appalled with your midwife. I cannot believe someone would be so rude and insensitive.

Good luck tomorrow love.

 

[SweetV]

momys I'm so very sorry. I know they offered me testing for my second trimester losses. I've also tested low for progesterone and was put on supplements for my last 2 pregnancies that ended in m/c so although it is a step in the right direction I know I need more testing.
I agree that your OB is very insensitive. I changed dr's when mine told me that my 2nd miscarriage in a row was a fluke to get over it and refused to help me seek any sort of counselling for my anxiety. I am in the midst of a 8 week first trimester loss and tried natural. It's been weeks and I think I should give up and go for the D&C.
Good luck!

 

[Hope39]

Welcome to all the new girls, so sorry you have had to join us

I've just read back and can't actually remember what I read now, soorrrryyy. My head is a bit shed like this week

Feel like I've gone backwards, just a teeny bit, all down to an upcoming meeting I have with the hospital which isn't till dec 18th

The hospital acknowledged my letter of complaint via telephone back in mid October, they asked if i wanted a response in writing or meeting with trust members so i opted for the meeting

I expected maybe 3 or 4 trust members to meet with us...... There is 8 + me and my oh ��

I shouldn't be so surprised, I wrote a 7 page complaint letter so should have expected it, quite a few different department cock ups

I'm going to be fretting about this for weeks now

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I neeeed wine this week i think

One of my clients rang my accountant, not realising he was my accountant, duh, said he had had enough of me and wanted to swap to him. Ha ha ha. He got the arse as I wouldn't do his next vat return until he paid me for the last two that I done .

Bad week , good job my accountant tells me stuff though

Sorry I've not been round to much, trying to just function normally these days, I'm so up and down

Xx

Tasha - I have everything crossed Prof Q made a mistake on this occasion, two more sleeps and your mind will be at rest xx

 

[Milty]

Momys sorry for your loss Hun

I have to say ladies if your doc and the nurses are being anything but kind and gentle you need to drop them. What we go through is bad enough we don't need more crap from them. Sorry to rant but I just can't stand medical professionals who think they know it all.


I have a question for you guys. I had my D & C 3 weeks ago but I'm still turning sensitive test faintly positive. However, I feel as though AF is coming any minute. Is it even possible for me to have ovulated if my test are still positive? Oh and I took my temp this morning and it was mildly high like I was in my LP at 97.95.

 

[confuzion]

Mitty - I've ovulated several times with hcg in my system. This latest time I had had a period 6 weeks after my D&C and still had a detectable amount in my blood. So definitely possible.

 

[confuzion]

Hope sorry you had a bad week and that meeting sounds a little scary and emotional. I wish you so much luck.

 

[Miracle1902]

First off, sorry for all the losses. I know how painful the experience is. I have had 2 miscarriages and today just found out again that I am pregnant a month after my miscarriage.

1st Miscarriage: 6 weeks. Sac with Yolk no fetal pol. Miscarried on Sep 29 2014

2nd Miscarriage: 4 weeks. No sac. Doctor believed since I got pregnant 2 weeks after my miscarriage so my uterus was too weak. Miscarried on Oct 13 2014

Today, almost a month later, I found out I am pregnant again which means i got pregnant 2 weeks after my second miscarriage. I was not trying because I wanted my body to heal. My partner and I were intimate once during our wedding night and that was it. I didn't stop bleeding until three days before my wedding so I thought it wasn't possible to ovulate. Plus my blood test shows there is still HCG. Obviously I did ovulate. I read that it is ok to try again right away but deep down I know my body needs time to heal regardless of what the expert says. The sad part is I am really depressed knowing that I am pregnant a month after my miscarriage bc I feel I am doomed for another one since I got pregnant again too fast.

My doctor says I am extremely fertile and most would like to hear that especially if they are trying to conceive but for me I feel that it doesn't matter that I could get pregnant easily. What matters is that I could have a full term pregnancy.

I have so many emotions going through my mind right now. My first pregnancy was so happy and already planned for the future. This third pregnancy, I am just simply waiting for the bleeding to start and wondering not if, but when I will miscarry. It's such a hopeless feeling.

I'm trying to be proactive by taking baby aspirin because I read it helps the blood flow to the uterus but a friend of mine told me her fertility doctor told her not to take aspirin bc it weakens the uterus. I'm so confused. I will ask my doctor for progesterone supplement tomorrow. If i am doomed for another miscarriage, then it is what it is but I want to at least try to save the pregnancy to the best of my ability.

Please pray for me.

 

[dairymomma]

Miracle-first off, I'm so sorry for your losses. Secondly,in most cases, there is nothing out there that proves your uterus is less able to carry a pregnancy simply because you got pregnant too soon after a loss. There are plenty of women on here who have gotten a bfp right after a loss (or more) and still gone on to term. In fact, my last pregnancy was 3 months after a 14 week loss and 5 weeks after a 7 week blighted ovum. She's now 4 months old and one of the lights of my life. So anything is possible. As to the aspirin, it's debated amongst drs if it truly helps but I can tell you it seems to work for me. My only successful pregnancies have been when I take not only progesterone (for low progesterone levels) but also a baby aspirin daily until 14-15 weeks. I've miscarried on just the progesterone so we know I need the aspirin even if I've never tested positive for clotting disorders. But I know it doesn't work for everyone. I'd say it's up to you if you want to try taking it but make sure it's in your medical records as it's a blood thinner. And one last thing, mostly the discussion on this thread centers around testing options, results, emotions etc pertaining to miscarriage. You might feel more comfortable over on the the Pregnancy After Recurrent Losses thread in the Pregnancy after a Loss section. Here's the link. Both places are an amazing source of support and encouragement but I think you'd feel alot better talking to women who are currently pg after a loss (or more) than women who are going through/gone through the pain of miscarriage right now. I hang out on both threads so you may see me over there too.

I hope I'm not making you feel pushed out of here because that's not my intention.

 

[Momys]

Miracle, PRAYING!

I saw the dr today. It was a good visit in so far as what I expected. She told me I had 3 options:
1. Wait it out and miscarry naturally
2. Take some medication and get things started. I know I don't want to do that as it increases the chance of bleeding lots.
3. D&C.

We booked the D&C for Wednesday, 28 November. That gives my body 2 weeks to start the process naturally and if not, I'll have the D&C. I'm comfortable with that.

She is referring me to a specialist for testing, etc. Now we wait and see.

 

[blueblue]

I've meaning to post for a while but everything's been so crazy I haven't had a chance.

Tasha - I'm so sorry, I can't believe you've been through so much . Hugs x

Sweet V - I've had the medical management (mistoprol) three times, it has worked all three times but it is different for everyone. This time it took a few hours but kicked in in the end. I always ask for the stronger painkillers as soon as the pain kicks in. The hospital told me this time the failure rate for treatment is 10%. I'm so sorry for your loss .

ttcbabyisom - i'm so sorry, i'm in a similar position at the moment and my heart goes out to you and everyone else on here. I hope the d&c went ok. I wish it wasn't so heartbreaking for us all.

We found out last week that we've lost baby number four at 8 weeks 1 day. I had a scan at 8 weeks and everything looked fine and there was a heartbeat. This is the furthest I've ever got and I was hopeful but very worried. At 10 weeks I started panicking and went for another scan and they confirmed the baby had died the day after the positive scan. I just don't know how to carry on with this, I've had 3 losses in 15 months and worried it is never going to work out. The hospital can't find anything wrong with me and I feel like I'm running out of options. I'm wondering if the miscarriages are for different reasons as they've all been at different times and each time I've got one to two weeks further along.

Does anyone else find that they get pregnant really easily but it seems to keep failing? It's been first month 3 out of 4 times, I'm wondering if my body keeps implanting unviable embryos.


Hugs to everyone x

 

[ttcbabyisom]

Sorry for not posting for a while. I have been really busy (changing jobs right now, and I have a really strong chance of being made permanent which eradicates some of my worries about becoming pregnant as I don't get mat pay right now!)

Tasha - I had peeked on here a few days ago and was really hopeful for you, the sac doesn't look good but hoping for a miracle regardless!

Ttcbabyisom - sorry for your loss! Hopefully it was just chromosomal and you can continue on your plan. Have you been tested for chromosomal abnormalities before?

SweetV - I get really excited, but I guess not as excited as I should. I'm naturally an anxious person anyway, but I have decided to be happy for the pregnancy regardless how long it lasts. My partner was super excited with my first pregnancy, nervous with my second until we saw the heartbeat then he got excited, but was devastated when we lost it, so on my third pregnancy he basically blocked it all out.

I got my testing results back for clotting disorders. Antiphospholipid and factor v Leiden were negative, they are still waiting for thrombophilia (I am sure that is what she said but I thought apl and factor v were forms of thrombophilia?) testing but she said the lab might not do that one as she isn't actually request it, and it could take another two weeks.
We can try again as of 24/11 (12 weeks post methotrexate) but I am due to ovulate around the 21st. I have been on folic acid, omega 3, vitamin d and low dose aspirin (self medicated) for nearly 2 months - I had to stop due to the methotrexate. Obviously three days isn't goin to make much difference, so I guess ttc as of next week is fine as the egg won't be released until pretty much when I am okay to try again. Hats your opinions on trying this cycle or waiting one more? If I wait for my December cycle I will be in the two week wait between Christmas and new year. I'm so conflicted!

Me too. But yes, we have had our babies sent off to be tested in the past and all came back normal. So i'm confused and hopefully this one will be chromosomal only so we know the protocol we were doing will still work on a normal baby.

 

[ttcbabyisom]

Loeylo-I'm not saying whether or not you should ttc again a few days sooner but just throwing this out there. I had methotrexate after my 3rd loss since it was suspected to be ectopic (followup tests showed it was a mmc, not ectopic) and was told not to ttc for 3 months/3 cycles whichever was first. We were wtt but life happens and I got a rather shocking bfp just 10 weeks after my m/c. I was terrified that the metho would cause issues but my dr said it was probably out of my system enough and it wouldn't cause problems. That bfp is now a happy, healthy almost 5 year old boy. If you feel up to ttc, then I'd say go with your gut.

ttcbabyisom-I'm so sorry for your loss. RMC is not something I'd wish on anyone. I've had 8 losses overall and it's hard. I still don't have concrete answers (though we are slowly finding pieces of the puzzle), but not having answers is the worst. I've always felt like if I could know why this keeps happening it would help me understand. I'd have something to blame, in a way. And I'm also thinking of my kids. I have 2 daughters and a son and if this is something genetic, then it could affect their fertility. If I can find out what's going on, then maybe they won't have to go through this themselves.Needing that answer is really what keeps me going. I do have to say that having my kids has helped too.

On the convo about how to approach a new pg after rmc, I get super freaky excited for about 2.2 seconds but once the reality of what I'm facing in the next 10 weeks hits, I fluctuate between denial and panic. My first 15 weeks are terrible because I tend to bleed, have cramps, typically don't get past 10 weeks but I've also had a 14 week m/c so I basically don't breathe until I hit viability. My last pg was especially hard. We upped my progesterone dosage and it seemed to make my anxiety/panic even worse. The only thing that helped was the fact that my dr was extremely encouraging and let me have scan whenever I wanted-which ended up being about every other week. I think I've conditioned myself to think this way because my losses have hit me hard and I've struggled with PPD and depression as a result. In denying that I'm pg (aside from taking daily progesterone and baby aspirin that is), I'm insulating myself from at least a little bit of the hurt that I know will come if I do m/c. Does that make sense?

Wow, i just can't imagine your struggle. You've been through so much. I do hope you find concrete answers someday not only for yourself but for your children. How scary this infertility crap is.

 

[ttcbabyisom]

Hi ladies,

We just found out that our baby had died I was supposed to have been 17 weeks yesterday (Monday) but when I couldn't find the heartbeat on Fri, Sat and Sun I called my midwife. Fri and Sat I really thought it was just user error or that Baby was hiding. By Sunday I suspected that maybe there might be a problem. I was right. I went to ER after she couldn't find it either and the tech said that it looks like Baby died around 13/14 weeks. However, I know we heard the heartbeat at 15 weeks, so about 2 weeks ago. I'm absolutely and utter devastated. This is our 4th loss in a row. Four losses in the past year!

I just want to crawl up in bed and sleep for 3 weeks. I want this to be over and done with. I don't want to wait for Baby to be born, and yet I don't want a D&C either. It just want the whole situation to go away. I have been crying so much and at teh same time trying to keep some kind of normality for our other children, too.

With my first loss we found out at 8.5 weeks. I started bleeding and the u/s showed that Baby died around 5 or 6 weeks. The second was very early. The 3rd I had a little bit of bleeding that stopped but after the previous losses I went in and it turned out that I was 11 weeks but Baby stopped growing at 8.5 weeks.
I didn't get excited at all this time until after our 13 week ultrasound. I was trying to guard my heart. I feel like I've been punched in the gut, like I can't breathe properly.
I honestly cannot believe this has happened again

After my 3rd m/c our naturopath did some hormone testing (across a full cycle) and my progesterone came down a little low.
With this pregnancy I took a supplement and then at 8 weeks they discovered a subchorionic hematoma that was fairly large and touching the placenta in 3 places. The tech was concerned that it would affect the placenta. By 13 weeks the SCH was 1/2 the size and now considered small. The placenta had moved and they were no longer touching.
I really believed we were out of the woods especially when I heard the heartbeat at 14 and 15 weeks on my home doppler.
I guess not

I honestly don't know how I'm going to get through the next few days/weeks. I need to decide if I want a D&C or if I just want to stay and home and wait it out. That is what I did with the last one and it was such a healing process. I'm not sure I can face it again, though

My dh is also leaving for the States next week for training. We live in Canada. He is willing to not go but I know it is really important and I might very well not start the birthing process until later anyway
At the same time I really don't want a D&C

I just really don't want to deal with this

I'm so so sorry for your losses honey. This is just awful. I just had my 5th loss...the worst feeling in the world.

 

[ttcbabyisom]

I've meaning to post for a while but everything's been so crazy I haven't had a chance.

Tasha - I'm so sorry, I can't believe you've been through so much . Hugs x

Sweet V - I've had the medical management (mistoprol) three times, it has worked all three times but it is different for everyone. This time it took a few hours but kicked in in the end. I always ask for the stronger painkillers as soon as the pain kicks in. The hospital told me this time the failure rate for treatment is 10%. I'm so sorry for your loss .

ttcbabyisom - i'm so sorry, i'm in a similar position at the moment and my heart goes out to you and everyone else on here. I hope the d&c went ok. I wish it wasn't so heartbreaking for us all.

We found out last week week that we've lost baby number four at 8 weeks 1 day. I had a scan at 8 weeks and everything looked fine and there was a heartbeat. This is the furthest I've ever got and I was hopeful but very worried. At 10 weeks I started panicking and went for another scan and they confirmed the baby had died the day after the positive scan. I just don't know how to carry on with this, I've had 3 losses in 15 months and I'm 34 now and worried it is never going to work out. The hospital can't find anything wrong with me and I feel like I'm running out of options. I'm wondering if the miscarriages are for different reasons as they've all been at different times and each time I've got one to two weeks further along.

Does anyone else find that they get pregnant really easily but it seems to keep failing? It's been first month 3 out of 4 times, I'm wondering if my body keeps implanting unviable embryos.


Hugs to everyone x

Thank you. D&C went perfectly. As much as it sucked, it was successful, now we just wait for answers.

 

[dan-o]

Thinking of you Tasha xxx

 

[confuzion]

blueblue - same for me. It takes us a few tries to get pregnant (three tries all 4 times weirdly enough), but haven't had any stick. Also no pattern to my losses. All stopped growing at different gestations and the miscarriages were just wildly different every time.

ttcbabyisom - wishing you a swift recovery and some answers. I know that knowing for sure that 2 of my losses were chromosomal was in a way hard to hear and yet a relief at the same time.

 

[SweetV]

confuzion, I am the same in that all my miscarriages were at different gestations and each of them has been very different.
I really wish they would do fetal genetic testing for me.

 

[blueblue]

ttcbabyisom - I'm glad the D&C went ok, I know it's horrible anyway, I really hope you get some answers.

confuzion / sweetV - I've been told they can't test my embryos as they were under 12 weeks, I really wish I knew whether any of the losses were down to chance or whether there's always something else going wrong.

A quick question, I was wondering if anyone else has other health problems apart from recurrent miscarriage? I'm always tired, have hypothyroid symptoms but with normal thyroid panel, I also have allergies etc (which point to inflammation) and I really think it might be linked, although the doctor's don't look outside the standard test results. I have also found that as the tiredness lessens, the pregnancies progress slightly further each time. I really feel that everything (hormones etc) are out of balance and that this is not helping during pregnancy.

I'm throwing everything in this time and hoping it'll help: getting lots more rest, getting more sleep, improving my diet (it's already pretty healthy, no processed food etc), removing any food that causes a reaction whilst still having a high nutrient/varied diet, trying to reduce stress (I know how difficult that is when you are still grieving for previous losses) and light exercise. I'm also going to try acupuncture, I've found a lady who specialises in fertility. Even if it doesn't work, at least it will be relaxing and I'm hoping it will help with getting over the grief. Has anyone else tried acupuncture or anything that's a bit outside the box? I feel like I need to do something.