Should we bring back the death penalty?

[fantastica]

Even if someone causes the death of a person u love and it was a accident u still want their blood. Well I do anyway.

Sometimes there is just pure evil that needs wiping out, such as the moors murderers. There's no doubt it was them who tourtured and killed all those children.
I'd happily live in a country where things like that were killed when it is 100% the right people/person

(I'm not sure if they confessed or not...I think they did later on), if you confess..as far as I know you actually get spared the death penalty. Also...Ian Brady has been declared criminally insane...surely not matter how awful he is...you cannot execute people not of sound mind. Also...to him, he WANTS to die, keeping him alive in the way they are is torture for him, surely that is better than letting him get what he wants?

It cannot be up to the state to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. We become no better than the murderer themselves. And like a pp said...what if one of the victim's family members killed the murderer, what makes their revenge killing any different? As the way a victim's family feels to be the main argument for the death penalty.

 

[lhancock90]

Even if someone causes the death of a person u love and it was a accident u still want their blood. Well I do anyway.

Sometimes there is just pure evil that needs wiping out, such as the moors murderers. There's no doubt it was them who tourtured and killed all those children.
I'd happily live in a country where things like that were killed when it is 100% the right people/person

(I'm not sure if they confessed or not...I think they did later on), if you confess..as far as I know you actually get spared the death penalty. Also...Ian Brady has been declared criminally insane...surely not matter how awful he is...you cannot execute people not of sound mind. Also...to him, he WANTS to die, keeping him alive in the way they are is torture for him, surely that is better than letting him get what he wants?

It cannot be up to the state to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. We become no better than the murderer themselves. And like a pp said...what if one of the victim's family members killed the murderer, what makes their revenge killing any different? As the way a victim's family feels to be the main argument for the death penalty.

Exactly.
Many many murderers WANT to die after what they've done. How is it punishment to give them what they want.
Ian Brady is desperate to control everything, including the prison system he is in. The one thing he can't control is his own death. Thats a greater punishment.

 

[smelly07]

The way the justice system works is totally wrong anyway, if you dont admit you did a crime you have be arrested for you get a longer sentence, why would someone innocent admit to a crime they didnt commit?......so many innocent people are forced in to saying they did something they didnt to get a shorter sentence and the ones who stick to their guns and shout about their innocence are locked up longer if found guilty AND people convicted of a crime.. if in prison they continue to claim their innocence they will never get parole...! the justice system never wants to admit they have been wrong and the only way to prove it is if there is dna and most cases their isnt............. more people are wrongly accused then people think its scary and guilty people walk the streets......... its all about who you are and the money you have............... without 100% eveidence and proof i think the whole justice system is completely screwed.... 12 people decide who is and isnt guilty listening to two different versions of a story and the judge decide the sentence................i have no faith in it at all.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

^^Technically, people confess to get a lighter sentence. It doesn't mean that the DA will accept a plea bargain, which is what you are describing. Some just go for the max even if the person pleads guilty. Trial and sentencing are two separate phases of the justice system.

 

[smelly07]

No it doesnt but its the risk they are sometimes advised to take by their lawyer

 

[smelly07]

i also do wonder what the people who agree with the death sentence would do/think/feel ... if it was their own child on death row........... it seems as though people put themselves in the victims shoes judging it on if something were to happen to their child but what if it was you son (or daughter) that committed a crime..........?

 

[lhancock90]

i also do wonder what the people who agree with the death sentence would do/think/feel ... if it was their own child on death row........... it seems as though people put themselves in the victims shoes judging it on if something were to happen to their child but what if it was you son (or daughter) that committed a crime..........?

Aaah.
Love this point.
Would i want my child punished, yes. Would i want them put to death? Never.

 

[JASMAK]

So serial murders shouldnt be put to death because we should picture our own sweet childrens faces at their ugly hands first. Thats disgusting.

 

[smelly07]

actually no - thats just twisting my post - its not disgusting at all - you can think of it and judge it .....if your child or family member was killed but not if your child was a killer??????............my point was to make you try and see it from a different point of view!!!!!! - unconditional love - killers intentionally, unintentionally, one murder or more than one murder - they are still someones children ...how would you feel?

instead of answering a simple question you twist it and make out its disgusting to even think that??? why???? is it far easier to be pro-death penalty as long as you do not view it from a personal point of view???? easier to live with yourself?

 

[meli1981]

actually no - thats just twisting my post - its not disgusting at all - you can think of it and judge it .....if your child or family member was killed but not if your child was a killer??????............my point was to make you try and see it from a different point of view!!!!!! - unconditional love - killers intentionally, unintentionally, one murder or more than one murder - they are still someones children ...how would you feel?

instead of answering a simple question you twist it and make out its disgusting to even think that??? why???? is it far easier to be pro-death penalty as long as you do not view it from a personal point of view???? easier to live with yourself?

"easier to live with yourself?" was an unnessasary comment, and rude might i say. i would just like to say in no way would my children be killers some day. its just not possible, so the thought never entered my mind.

edit: and there is no way im looking from the killers point of view! they dont derserve one!

 

[xemmax]

So serial murders shouldnt be put to death because we should picture our own sweet childrens faces at their ugly hands first. Thats disgusting.

It isn't disgusting, it is unfortunately a possibility. All murderers were children once and all have mothers and fathers. We need to stop talking about them as an alien race and deciding that it is acceptable to do things to them which would not be acceptable to do to anyone else. Of course they have done despicable things, but they are human, nothing more nor less, and they should have a right to life if nothing else.

Of course if you feel that it is acceptable to treat serious criminals in this way then you have to accept the fact that should your child commit similar crimes, they would receive the punishment.

 

[Tasha]

"easier to live with yourself?" was an unnessasary comment, and rude might i say. i would just like to say in no way would my children be killers some day. its just not possible, so the thought never entered my mind.

edit: and there is no way im looking from the killers point of view! they dont derserve one!

You dont know that, you might think that but how can any of us be 100% sure what our children will become one day? How many times have we read I had no idea he didnt seem like a killer, a rapist etc? There is no type of person that commits those crimes, no way of looking at them as a child and just knowing. Sadly it is entirely possible, unlikely but possible none the less.

 

[RoseKitten]

If my child turned into a mass murder/rapist then yes, I would still stand by my support of the death penalty.

I do not think Capital Punishment is something to be taken lightly. There needs to be actual proof, not trial by media (which happens all too frequently these days). It is something that should be reserved for only the worst offenders. It's not an easy topic, and not something that is to be taken lightly. If there is even a shadow of a doubt, then the death penalty should not be on the table.

 

[xemmax]

actually no - thats just twisting my post - its not disgusting at all - you can think of it and judge it .....if your child or family member was killed but not if your child was a killer??????............my point was to make you try and see it from a different point of view!!!!!! - unconditional love - killers intentionally, unintentionally, one murder or more than one murder - they are still someones children ...how would you feel?

instead of answering a simple question you twist it and make out its disgusting to even think that??? why???? is it far easier to be pro-death penalty as long as you do not view it from a personal point of view???? easier to live with yourself?

"easier to live with yourself?" was an unnessasary comment, and rude might i say. i would just like to say in no way would my children be killers some day. its just not possible, so the thought never entered my mind.

edit: and there is no way im looking from the killers point of view! they dont derserve one!

So whose children do end up as killers?

 

[Ozzieshunni]

If my child turned into a mass murder/rapist then yes, I would still stand by my support of the death penalty.

I do not think Capital Punishment is something to be taken lightly. There needs to be actual proof, not trial by media (which happens all too frequently these days). It is something that should be reserved for only the worst offenders. It's not an easy topic, and not something that is to be taken lightly. If there is even a shadow of a doubt, then the death penalty should not be on the table.

I agree with this.

 

[smelly07]

Not IMO,..... i wasnt being rude..... i'm trying to see things from a person who is pro capital punishments point of view because i cant understand it......... . i'm not the person calling someone dusgusting and rude am i?

And might i add - nobody can sit back and say that their children will not be killers it can happen to ANYONE!!!........... and happens everyday!

 

[fantastica]

actually no - thats just twisting my post - its not disgusting at all - you can think of it and judge it .....if your child or family member was killed but not if your child was a killer??????............my point was to make you try and see it from a different point of view!!!!!! - unconditional love - killers intentionally, unintentionally, one murder or more than one murder - they are still someones children ...how would you feel?

instead of answering a simple question you twist it and make out its disgusting to even think that??? why???? is it far easier to be pro-death penalty as long as you do not view it from a personal point of view???? easier to live with yourself?

"easier to live with yourself?" was an unnessasary comment, and rude might i say. i would just like to say in no way would my children be killers some day. its just not possible, so the thought never entered my mind.

edit: and there is no way im looking from the killers point of view! they dont derserve one!

How can you know for sure? None of us know what path our children may go down...without our control, or that they will not have some kind of personality disorder, or that they will never suddenly snap and do something awful. Even so, there are so many cases where the people are executed when it is not beyond reasonable doubt that they are guilty...it is quite possible that any one of our children could be involved in a miscarriage of justice.

 

[moomin_troll]

No matter how many times people quote me I won't change my mind, just like I don't expect anyone else to change theirs because of what I believe.

Oh and the moors murderers recorded themselves torturing the children.
I'm not daft I no evidence can be wrong and people can confess to things they haven't done.
Criminally insane or not it doesn't matter to me.
And yes if either of my boys brutally murdered someone they would deserve what ever punishment was given

 

[smelly07]

whats the point of joining a debate if you wont consider and think of things from another view point? how can you fully understand a situation (somewhat) if you dont think of yourself in both situations?

 

[moomin_troll]

whats the point of joining a debate if you wont consider and think of things from another view point? how can you fully understand a situation (somewhat) if you dont think of yourself in both situations?

I believe what I believe and some debate on a forum won't change it. So that means I have no right to say what I think

I'm pretty sure most ppl on here won't suddenly change theirs either