Should we bring back the death penalty?

[Natsku]

Because you'd be killing someone. Actually killing someone. How can you consider that so lightly?!

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I could say the same for a law enforcement officer that has to shoot someone because they are shooting at them. Law enforcement shoot to kill

 

[Natsku]

Generally they only shoot someone in a situation when not shooting them would cause harm to other people. Its not the same situation executing someone.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

Generally they only shoot someone in a situation when not shooting them would cause harm to other people. Its not the same situation executing someone.

I beg to differ. It is exactly the same. You're taking someone dangerous out of this world.

 

[xemmax]

I could say the same for a law enforcement officer that has to shoot someone because they are shooting at them. Law enforcement shoot to kill

Very poor comparison.

Law enforcement officer shoots - he protects himself, the public and society.

Murderer already locked up is executed - protecting who?

 

[Natsku]

Generally they only shoot someone in a situation when not shooting them would cause harm to other people. Its not the same situation executing someone.

I beg to differ. It is exactly the same. You're taking someone dangerous out of this world.

They're no longer dangerous when they are locked up in prison, thats the whole point of prison, keeping dangerous people out of society. You can do it without killing someone.

 

[fantastica]

Not necessarily...I think it was last week in Texas a man with an IQ of 61 was executed...how can that be okay? He is clearly mentally impaired. It's just barbaric.


The whole 'only pushing a button' seems a little like the Milgram experiment. As far as the people actually killing the prisoner, I know that when it is done by firing squad in the US (v. v. v. rare) they actually put non-lethal bullets in some of the people firing so that they do not know for sure who actually killed the prisoner...I guess proving that it isn't always so easy to live with yourself after killing someone, no matter what they have done.

Edit: the not necessarily was at a previous post, but others posted since haha, not that it matters!

 

[fantastica]

To the people for the death penalty..if it was a debate over capital punishment vs. life imprisonment without parole (rather than just abolishing the death penalty) which would you pick?

 

[Natsku]

They executed someone with an IQ of 61??!! WTF??!!

 

[Ozzieshunni]

Not necessarily...I think it was last week in Texas a man with an IQ of 61 was executed...how can that be okay? He is clearly mentally impaired. It's just barbaric.


The whole 'only pushing a button' seems a little like the Milgram experiment. As far as the people actually killing the prisoner, I know that when it is done by firing squad in the US (v. v. v. rare) they actually put non-lethal bullets in some of the people firing so that they do not know for sure who actually killed the prisoner...I guess proving that it isn't always so easy to live with yourself after killing someone, no matter what they have done.

Edit: the not necessarily was at a previous post, but others posted since haha, not that it matters!

What happened in Texas is actually illegal. There was a Supreme Court ruling that people of low IQ and any other mental defect could not be sentenced to death. I'm sure it's being investigated. Remember, the public doesn't hear everything.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

And it's not really any different. I doubt people in the UK can really pass any judgment or understanding on prison systems and legal systems they really don't fully understand. It happens all the time. People think that the US is like what they see on TV. Welp, not all TV is true. Just sayin....

 

[Natsku]

It still happened though. Thats fucking sick.

 

[Natsku]

And it's not really any different. I doubt people in the UK can really pass any judgment or understanding on prison systems and legal systems they really don't fully understand. It happens all the time. People think that the US is like what they see on TV. Welp, not all TV is true. Just sayin....

I studied the US system, comparing it with several other systems. I do think the US Criminal Justice system on a whole is pretty messed up and doesn't work very well.

 

[xemmax]

And it's not really any different. I doubt people in the UK can really pass any judgment or understanding on prison systems and legal systems they really don't fully understand. It happens all the time. People think that the US is like what they see on TV. Welp, not all TV is true. Just sayin....

What are you talking about? Please don't patronise. Capital punishment does exist outside the US. It's a universal principle.

 

[smelly07]

Capital punishment did exsist in the UK until 1964 ish and then it was abolished, in other parts of the world capital punishment still exsist and there are even children on death row.

 

[fantastica]

Not necessarily...I think it was last week in Texas a man with an IQ of 61 was executed...how can that be okay? He is clearly mentally impaired. It's just barbaric.


The whole 'only pushing a button' seems a little like the Milgram experiment. As far as the people actually killing the prisoner, I know that when it is done by firing squad in the US (v. v. v. rare) they actually put non-lethal bullets in some of the people firing so that they do not know for sure who actually killed the prisoner...I guess proving that it isn't always so easy to live with yourself after killing someone, no matter what they have done.

Edit: the not necessarily was at a previous post, but others posted since haha, not that it matters!

What happened in Texas is actually illegal. There was a Supreme Court ruling that people of low IQ and any other mental defect could not be sentenced to death. I'm sure it's being investigated. Remember, the public doesn't hear everything.

It also happened in July, and was due to happen in another state but was suspended over the actual procedure...not the defendants mental state - 90 mintues before he was due to be executed. From what I've read, they seem to have some kind of loophole to override the Supreme Court ruling.

And if it was truly illegal...then isn't this more reason to abolish the death penalty? If it is going to exist...then surely it has to be pretty infallible, there just cannot be room for error in something like this.

 

[fantastica]

And it's not really any different. I doubt people in the UK can really pass any judgment or understanding on prison systems and legal systems they really don't fully understand. It happens all the time. People think that the US is like what they see on TV. Welp, not all TV is true. Just sayin....

What are you talking about? Please don't patronise. Capital punishment does exist outside the US. It's a universal principle.

But apparently only in four countries in the developed world (one of which actually doesn't practice it)...kind of says something to me!

 

[RoseKitten]

I do believe in the death penalty, and I also believe in killing someone who attempts to enter my home uninvited, or attempts to harm my friends/family. Quite simply, I do not see the point of allowing someone to live in prison for 60 years (or more!) because the death penalty is "cruel". I guess I'm selfish, I'd rather see my tax dollars go to helping victims recover, feed the homeless, build better schools, etc. than go to feed and care for someone who is on death row.

But it costs more to give someone to the death penalty than to keep them in prison for life without parole (In California the sytem costs $137 million per year, it would cost $11.5 million without the death penalty.) If the death penalty was abolished then more funding would be available for those things.

I'd like to know why that is. Bullets aren't that expensive. I should have added, if someone has gotten the death penalty, and is out of appeals, they shouldn't then also be kept in the system for decades.

 

[RoseKitten]

Would the people who agree with the death penalty actually adminstrate the lethal injection to the prisoner themselves?
and then what would that make you? in your eyes?

I personally think we should go back to a firing squad. 10 guns (or however many) and nobody knows which gun has the bullet.

 

[RoseKitten]

I should add that my husband is a soldier, and it's his job to kill people on a regular basis. Neither of us sees the sense in keeping someone alive and out of society, when it is cheaper, easier, and guarantees that they won't escape, because they're dead. I don't expect everyone (or anyone, for that matter lol) to agree with me, and I doubt anyone will change my mind. I just wanted to share my opinion.