Should we bring back the death penalty?

I think a lot of the argument about prisons being made tougher comes down to whether you believe prison is there to punish or to rehabilitate. You can't cut offenders off from society (inc TV etc) and expect them to be able to function when they're released.
 
I personally think it should be bought back but only to be used in the extremist of cases..And that they should have to do a 10 year prison term before their death in a much harsher prison..That way its not the easiest way out to just kill them straight away they are serving a punishment but at the end of it they have no freedom to look forward to like the 'life' sentences at the minute.x

I agree with you Jade.
 
I think a lot of the argument about prisons being made tougher comes down to whether you believe prison is there to punish or to rehabilitate. You can't cut offenders off from society (inc TV etc) and expect them to be able to function when they're released.

What about newspapers/books/magazines? I think having reading material would surely outweigh needing TV?
 
I think a lot of the argument about prisons being made tougher comes down to whether you believe prison is there to punish or to rehabilitate. You can't cut offenders off from society (inc TV etc) and expect them to be able to function when they're released.

What about newspapers/books/magazines? I think having reading material would surely outweigh needing TV?

Prisoners tend to be lower educated and I believe a fair percentage of them are functionally illiterate so reading material isn't going to be much good to them.
 
I think a lot of the argument about prisons being made tougher comes down to whether you believe prison is there to punish or to rehabilitate. You can't cut offenders off from society (inc TV etc) and expect them to be able to function when they're released.

What about newspapers/books/magazines? I think having reading material would surely outweigh needing TV?

Prisoners tend to be lower educated and I believe a fair percentage of them are functionally illiterate so reading material isn't going to be much good to them.

Hmmm, do you have a statistic for this?
 
https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/03/illiteracy-innumeracy-prisons

Its particularly bad in Scotland! https://news.stv.tv/politics/278116-three-quarters-of-prisoners-illiterate-or-innumerate/

But of course, its all their own fault they are in prison, society didn't fail them in any way....

Edit: here's another, more official, link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...toDgDw&usg=AFQjCNFX8ZnYVLvS8t1Hk7H8YuJrsb5guw
 
Ah, I was thinking of US prisons/jails. I strongly believe in rehabilitation in prisons/jails, but you can't force a prisoner to take a class and learn to read. Maybe they should.
 
Its bad in the US jails too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy

Taking classes needs to be strongly encouraged but thats not the only issue, prisoners get moved around to different prisons etc and don't get to finish their classes so classes need to be standardised and available in all prisons to all prisoners. It would be a key step in reducing reoffending.
 
I think a lot of the argument about prisons being made tougher comes down to whether you believe prison is there to punish or to rehabilitate. You can't cut offenders off from society (inc TV etc) and expect them to be able to function when they're released.

What about newspapers/books/magazines? I think having reading material would surely outweigh needing TV?

As was said, many prisoners have very poor reading abilities. Therefore tv is the only way they can learn anything. That said I do think they should be largely restricted to factual channels.

You'll also find that many prisoners are institutionalised as many of them have been through the care system (one quarter of all adult prisoners and 49% of prisoners under 21), therefore they go back to prison again and again as there they understand how it all works - they're looked after. There is just so much wrong with the whole system, it doesn't look after victims properly and it doesn't look after perpetrators properly. All in all, I'm left with little faith that introducing the death penalty would change all that.
 
still dont get why TV is such an issue :shrug:

It is a privilage in prisons, its paid for by the prisoner it has the 5 basic TV channels..... lets face it half the time nothing decent is on tv even with hundreds of channels to watch anyway.......

I agree with marley's posts...............i guess it depends on how you view prison, ......your freedom is taken from you and X amount of years of your life (and life is short) that you wont ever get back has gone...........all the things you miss out on all the family events, getting married, having children, holidays, meals out, nights out, sitting in a pub garden in the summer, having a bath!!!, bbq's....going out whenever we want.......... all the little things we all take for granted........all the things we dont even think about is what prisoners do and what they miss and thats what is punishing them most..........having a tv is a grain of sand to the beach they are missing out on x
 
In the USA, they don't pay for TV. It's paid for through taxes.
 
I don't think it's used enough. I would love to see it used for repeat criminals. If you've been convicted 3 times for the same crime (or progressively worse ones) you're likely not going to stop and shouldn't be continually put back into society (and have more children to repeat the cycle). Keeping someone in prison is very expensive for tax payers. If they start culling the bad ones there will be less of them AND knowing that you are going to DIE if you keep getting in trouble may actually cause some of them to reform themselves vs. the commit a crime get put on probation, repeat, get probation again, repeat, probation again. They REALLY need to have severe consequences to keep people from continually committing crimes.

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That sounds demented, no offense. You really think a drug addict or a burgler should be put to death if they get caught a couple times? :shock:
 
In quite a few states, there is a three strikes law. Convicted of three felonies and you go to prison for life. Over in the USA, life is life. None of this 25 years shite.
 
In quite a few states, there is a three strikes law. Convicted of three felonies and you go to prison for life. Over in the USA, life is life. None of this 25 years shite.

I think it's a quite stupid law, but life in prison after 3 felonies in not comparable to the absurdity of killing someone after committing three crimes..
 
In quite a few states, there is a three strikes law. Convicted of three felonies and you go to prison for life. Over in the USA, life is life. None of this 25 years shite.

I think it's a quite stupid law, but life in prison after 3 felonies in not comparable to the absurdity of killing someone after committing three crimes..

It's well known :shrug: They are warned in court about it. I figure, if you're stupid enough to commit three felonies, you need to be in prison.
 
Out of interest ozzie is the prison system in America similar to the UK depending on how serious the crime is?

in the uk their are four diferent cat Prisons;

Category A Those whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security. Offences that may result in consideration for Category A or Restricted Status include: Murder, Attempted murder, Manslaughter, Wounding with intent, Rape, Indecent assault, Robbery or conspiracy to rob (with firearms), Firearms offences, Importing or supplying Class A controlled drug, Possessing or supplying explosives, Offences connected with terrorism and Offences under the Official Secrets Act

Category B Those who do not require maximum security, but for whom escape needs to be made very difficult and who are seen as high risk to society.

Category C Those who cannot be trusted in open conditions but who are unlikely to try to escape prison and are medium risk to society.

Category DThose who can be reasonably trusted not to try to escape, and are given the privilege of an open prison. Prisoners at 'D Cat' (as it is commonly known) prisons, are, subject to approval, given ROTL (Release On Temporary Licence) to work in the community or to go on 'home leave' once they have passed their FLED (Full Licence Eligibility Dates), which is usually a quarter of the way through the sentence and are low risk to society.


Obviously the higher the cat prison you are in the longer the sentence and the stricter and the worse it is....... usually A cat prisoners will have to do at least 25 years before being moved down into cat B prisons.......they will not just be released out of A cat prison back into society.........prisoners have to work their way down through the prison system before being released and that is not easy.


I agree the tax payer paying for prisoners TV is an issue but as it stands in the UK prisoners work and pay for that privilage so i have no problem with that at all x
 
In the USA, prison is for offenders who are sentenced to over a year's incarceration and jail is for those with less than a year. Obviously, sometimes there is cross over sometimes and someone might be in jail for a short time awaiting transfer to a prison.

Within the jails/prisons, offenders are categorized based on risk.
 
okay so possibly the D cat prison is equivilant to Americas jail ...?

what is the difference between jail and prison?....

(this just interests me) xxx
 
No worries. Sorry, I had a wee man yanking at my arms :haha:

There are only a few differences between jails and prisons. Prisons are bigger than jails and house inmates who have more than a year to serve. Jails are smaller and typically in each city/county, depending on the size of the city/county. They house people that have less than a year to serve. Also, if you're arrested on, for example, a drunk and disorderly charge, you're brought to jail. There is usually a judge on call in some of the larger jails so they can get the people in and out for lesser charges. I hope this makes sense, lol.
 

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