So angry and frustrated

[Kiwiberry]

Yes midwives have to do three years at a university, I will be doing it myself next year.

Ah, well at least it is much MUCH better than no school at all (which is what I thought). Here in the us OBGYN go to school for 12 years (just looked it up).

4 years of residency
4 years of medical school
4 years of regular school

 

[Mummy to be x]

Yes midwives have to do three years at a university, I will be doing it myself next year.

Oh well at least it is much MUCH better than no school at all (which is what I thought). Here in the us OBGYN go to school for 12 years (just looked it up).

4 years of residency
4 years of medical school
4 years of regular school

No one of any profession over here studies for that long, a doctor is 4 years studying over here I think, and a nurse is 3 years, a midwife is also three years but I can assure you just because it's only three years, they are highly qualified professionals

Strange and interesting how it differs in each country

 

[Kiwiberry]

Yes midwives have to do three years at a university, I will be doing it myself next year.

Oh well at least it is much MUCH better than no school at all (which is what I thought). Here in the us OBGYN go to school for 12 years (just looked it up).

4 years of residency
4 years of medical school
4 years of regular school

No one of any profession over here studies for that long, a doctor is 4 years studying over here I think, and a nurse is 3 years, a midwife is also three years but I can assure you just because it's only three years, they are highly qualified professionals

Strange and interesting how it differs in each country

How much do they get paid in US dollars do you know? I just looked up what an OBGYN entry level is and its $150,000 O.O like holy crap. Thats more than the president of pharmaceutical companies makes (my bf's mom was one of them).

Oh and I realize they are probably more than qualified. However, I still would not trust them over an OBGYN. That is just me tho. Hearing about all these differences in other countries makes me never want to leave the USA lol. I feel spoiled.

We do have free medical insurance here for people who have a disability. Or for people of low income. It is not often as good in what it will cover, but what it does cover is 80%. I think thats pretty reasonable for free insurance (at least in the USA of course).

 

[Mummy to be x]

Yes midwives have to do three years at a university, I will be doing it myself next year.

Oh well at least it is much MUCH better than no school at all (which is what I thought). Here in the us OBGYN go to school for 12 years (just looked it up).

4 years of residency
4 years of medical school
4 years of regular school

No one of any profession over here studies for that long, a doctor is 4 years studying over here I think, and a nurse is 3 years, a midwife is also three years but I can assure you just because it's only three years, they are highly qualified professionals

Strange and interesting how it differs in each country

How much do they get paid in US dollars do you know? I just looked up what an OBGYN entry level is and its $150,000 O.O like holy crap. Thats more than the president of pharmaceutical companies makes (my bf's mom was one of them).

I've no idea I've never looked into what they get paid.

 

[Kiwiberry]

Yes midwives have to do three years at a university, I will be doing it myself next year.

Oh well at least it is much MUCH better than no school at all (which is what I thought). Here in the us OBGYN go to school for 12 years (just looked it up).

4 years of residency
4 years of medical school
4 years of regular school

No one of any profession over here studies for that long, a doctor is 4 years studying over here I think, and a nurse is 3 years, a midwife is also three years but I can assure you just because it's only three years, they are highly qualified professionals

Strange and interesting how it differs in each country

How much do they get paid in US dollars do you know? I just looked up what an OBGYN entry level is and its $150,000 O.O like holy crap. Thats more than the president of pharmaceutical companies makes (my bf's mom was one of them).

I've no idea I've never looked into what they get paid.

It is probably a lot. I mean if you go to school for almost as long as a doctor does in the UK, then I would hope it would be almost as much in pay. Good luck in school btw!!

I am going to be starting school after I have the baby. I was supposed to start in May but "things" happened hehe. I want to go for Quantum Physics with a minor in Quantum Mechanics.

 

[messica]

I never really had my question answered. I am really confused by blood tests. Here in the US at least, from what I know they are the quickest way to test HCG to see if you are pregnant. Even before an HPT can. I know I can go to a gynecologist here and get a blood test whenever I feel like it. Can someone please explain what you guys are talking about exactly? I am just a bit confused.

Oh and one more question, what exactly is a midwife? I thought that was something they only used back in the 1800's (lol shows how much I know). So, what does a midwife do nowadays? Are they the same as a doctor? What is their purpose if you can just go to the hospital?

Sorry I am really new to all of this.

The difference is that the UK is a NHS, and the US is still largely privatized as far as health care goes. In the UK the "government" controls your healthcare, what people can be seen for and when. They decide what tests and care you're offered because they're paying for it. They can deny you any care, at anytime if you're not deemed worthy of receiving it via their standards.

You are correct in that in the US we still have control over the above, which is why it's hard to understand why she couldn't go in, request the beta, and just get it.

Actual doctors need far more education and therefor can charge more for their services. To keep costs low they NHS employs far more midwives than docs. As far as I've read on these boards it can be near impossible to get in to see an actual OB because there simply aren't as many available, and when they are available, patients are rarely approved to seek their care.

Education levels do vary drastically compared, and that's a scary thought to me. I wouldn't want someone performing a C-section on me that's only had as much education as someone who gets a degree to teach kindergarten....just yikes.

 

[pinkcatgirl]

To become a OBGYN consultant in the UK would take

5 years med school
2 years house jobs (residency)
6-8 yrs specialist training

Most women don't need that level of expertise though!! I had midwife led care, a 6 hour labour and home the same day.... But still gave birth in hospital as if it goes wrong you want Drs a crash call away....

 

[messica]

No one of any profession over here studies for that long, a doctor is 4 years studying over here I think, and a nurse is 3 years, a midwife is also three years but I can assure you just because it's only three years, they are highly qualified professionals

I could see where a midwife may be considered qualified enough to provide basic care to very low risk patients, but a doctor with only four years of education? Wouldn't be near good enough by my standards and I do think it's why we are constantly reading about women suffering there because of the system, here on this board

 

[messica]

To become a OBGYN consultant in the UK would take

5 years med school
2 years house jobs (residency)
6-8 yrs specialist training

Most women don't need that level of expertise though!! I had midwife led care, a 6 hour labour and home the same day.... But still gave birth in hospital as if it goes wrong you want Drs a crash call away....

This sits FAR better with me

 

[Kiwiberry]

To become a OBGYN consultant in the UK would take

5 years med school
2 years house jobs (residency)
6-8 yrs specialist training

Most women don't need that level of expertise though!! I had midwife led care, a 6 hour labour and home the same day.... But still gave birth in hospital as if it goes wrong you want Drs a crash call away....

So only 5 years of school compared to 12. I still don't trust it. I know you say we don't "need" that level of care, but why not take it if you can? I want the best care possible. OBGYN's here in the US make me feel safe. Its all about the comfort!!

I know there is probably a lot of ppl who really disagree with me especially those of you in the UK.

 

[Mummy to be x]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

 

[Kiwiberry]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

Yeah totally agree. I wonder what its like in other countries outside the US and UK. What about canada? Is it the same as US or different? I know they have a similar health system as the UK but I am not sure about the OBGYN / Midwife part of it. I like to ask a lot of question lol very curious mind I have.

 

[Mummy to be x]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

Yeah totally agree. I wonder what its like in other countries outside the US and UK. What about canada? Is it the same as US or different? I know they have a similar health system as the UK but I am not sure about the OBGYN / Midwife part of it. I like to ask a lot of question lol very curious mind I have.

Yeah I'm getting more curious now too, I didn't realise that it differed so much in how long you go to school/university

 

[Kiwiberry]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

Yeah totally agree. I wonder what its like in other countries outside the US and UK. What about canada? Is it the same as US or different? I know they have a similar health system as the UK but I am not sure about the OBGYN / Midwife part of it. I like to ask a lot of question lol very curious mind I have.

Yeah I'm getting more curious now too, I didn't realise that it differed so much in how long you go to school/university

Maybe in the US its a trick lol. I can totally see them tricking ppl into thinking they needed more school than they actually do. I mean we do have the NSA after all....

I mean I can't say it doesn't work. You guys over there in the UK live with midwives and the population is not dying out so something must be going right lol.

 

[Mummy to be x]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

Yeah totally agree. I wonder what its like in other countries outside the US and UK. What about canada? Is it the same as US or different? I know they have a similar health system as the UK but I am not sure about the OBGYN / Midwife part of it. I like to ask a lot of question lol very curious mind I have.

Yeah I'm getting more curious now too, I didn't realise that it differed so much in how long you go to school/university

Maybe in the US its a trick lol. I can totally see them tricking ppl into thinking they needed more school than they actually do. I mean we do have the NSA after all....

What is NSA?

 

[Kiwiberry]

It's all very different in each country. VERY different.

Yeah totally agree. I wonder what its like in other countries outside the US and UK. What about canada? Is it the same as US or different? I know they have a similar health system as the UK but I am not sure about the OBGYN / Midwife part of it. I like to ask a lot of question lol very curious mind I have.

Yeah I'm getting more curious now too, I didn't realise that it differed so much in how long you go to school/university

Maybe in the US its a trick lol. I can totally see them tricking ppl into thinking they needed more school than they actually do. I mean we do have the NSA after all....

What is NSA?

National Security Agency... basically they have been spying on like everyone. Including other countries. I won't really get into it but it had to do with Snowden, not sure if you heard anything about that on the news at all. They basically use "national security" as an excuse to collect data from everyone. Including sending and receiving emails, phone calls, etc etc. Its caused a big stink here in the US.

 

[Nina83]

OP, Mummy, I am sorry for your experience, I know you were looking for answers.
I get betas whenever I want, but this pregnancy decided only on the initial one, for documenting purposes only. If I had lost this one earlier on, I would have needed it for further testing.
I think that where you live, only after 3 they start looking into Mc, am I correct? Here as well, so I definitely needed that documentation.
Other than that- why stress yourself. If the levels aren't high enough, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except be sad and miserable and cry ((hugs))
Did you get in touch with a midwife?
I have a good feeling about your pregnancy, I know you want answers, but sadly sometimes there just aren't any. If you had both MC and MMC, it was probably really just bad luck and a chromosomal abnormality, and third time is a charm, I know it will be
And you do have a daughter, so you were able to manage to carry to term. I know this may not be comforting, but that is a VERY positive thing!
I know I also said I didn't want an early scan this and an early scan that, but I've already been to 2 reassurance scans and one regular dating. It does ease you mind, even for just a few days!
I'd say wait until about 6 weeks and then have a private scan- you know you'll feel better about it.
Try to think as positive as you can, if there is something wrong (which there isn't!) There is probably nothing you can do about it, so sit back, enjoy your daughter and pregnancy as much as you can.

And really, I FEEL like this is going to work out for you! Good things are in the air lately!

 

[Rhapsodi]

The US has midwives! Actually at my hospital they have more midwifes than Drs. I have a midwife but because I have high risk I also have a dr that oversees that complication. The midwives can consult a dr if need be. I chose a midwife because at my clinic there is a high risk dr that also does abortions. I don't want to support that so I chose a midwife despite being high risk.

I like my midwife much more than the dr I saw. Equally knowledgable but the midwife is so much more understanding.

I also have not seen an OB until this pregnancy. I just had my yearly stuff done by a GP. And was even told I only needed to go every 3 years to check lady parts.


As for not getting blood drawn I agree just contact a midwife. Hope you get some answers.

 

[messica]

Rhapsodi - hate to disagree but midwives are definitely *not* as equally knowledgeable as MD's or OB's.

They can't be as knowledge is based on education and the gap is HUGE.


I agree they can have a better bedside manner at times, but that's not always the case.

 

[Mummy to be x]

OP, Mummy, I am sorry for your experience, I know you were looking for answers.
I get betas whenever I want, but this pregnancy decided only on the initial one, for documenting purposes only. If I had lost this one earlier on, I would have needed it for further testing.
I think that where you live, only after 3 they start looking into Mc, am I correct? Here as well, so I definitely needed that documentation.
Other than that- why stress yourself. If the levels aren't high enough, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except be sad and miserable and cry ((hugs))
Did you get in touch with a midwife?
I have a good feeling about your pregnancy, I know you want answers, but sadly sometimes there just aren't any. If you had both MC and MMC, it was probably really just bad luck and a chromosomal abnormality, and third time is a charm, I know it will be
And you do have a daughter, so you were able to manage to carry to term. I know this may not be comforting, but that is a VERY positive thing!
I know I also said I didn't want an early scan this and an early scan that, but I've already been to 2 reassurance scans and one regular dating. It does ease you mind, even for just a few days!
I'd say wait until about 6 weeks and then have a private scan- you know you'll feel better about it.
Try to think as positive as you can, if there is something wrong (which there isn't!) There is probably nothing you can do about it, so sit back, enjoy your daughter and pregnancy as much as you can.

And really, I FEEL like this is going to work out for you! Good things are in the air lately!

Thank you SO much for your kind words, that really does mean so much to me, I kind of forget I've got a healthy daughter who I carried to term with zero problems, maybe it should keep that in mind, that I can do this, with all the worry you tend to forget the positives don't you.Yes here in the uk they won't test until three mc, it seems so unfair

Yes I got in touch with midwife, it's the same midwife I had with my daughter and my previous pregnancy, she's lovely and very understanding so when I see her on Thursday il chat with her, see what she has to say.

Thank you so much your post really has made me feel a little more positive xx