Soya Isoflavones Cycle Buddies! <3

[Lost7]

Get a triple pushchair like I had when I had my twins.

It induces ovulation and depending when you take it you may release multiple eggs.

 

[dimmu]

Gosh didn't even realise that triple pushchairs existed! Not overly keen to tackle the London public transport system with one of those!

Hmmm so I wonder soya+my age is quite a favourable combination for twins, I have read that the likelihood to have twins is higher when you're older.
Lost7 were you using soya when you conceived your twins? Which days do you have to take it to increase the odds for twins?

 

[krissie328]

Hey ladies- I have not been a part of this thread. But I know quite a few of you have been taking soy and had some success. So I was wondering what doses you have been taking? I hope you don't mind me asking.

 

[Lost7]

The only reason I had to buy a triple pushchair was because my then toddler had to take things easy as she had been through major open heart surgery and I panicked walking would put her heart under undue stress!

Twins were naturally conceived when I was only 25! No family history and no vitamins or anything back then. I've only really started trying to conceive now and it isn't happening. My first 6 children, I dare say it were gorgeous surprises.

I took 200mg, no success. Will be doing a soya cycle in the future. Some start off low say 120mg, then increase to 160mg then 200mg. However, it's like a natural clomid, you don't up the dosage of clomid so I don't and wouldn't change the dose of soya, keep it consistent.

 

[Powell130]

Theres a nice chart on the front page with the BFPs and doses taken

 

[Mummy1506]

My first cycle of soy took 120mg 3-7 now on cd 24 no ovulation still so doesn't look like it's helped bringing ovulation forward &#128546;. So frustrating waiting so long for ovulation.

 

[Lost7]

The maximum dosage you can take is 200mg per day. I've been trying for over a year now and didn't start off small with my dosage. I took 200mg per day (3-7) and it made me O earlier than normal. Only one day, but still. When I first started trying I'd O around CD19, I am now O'ing at CD16.

 

[squirrel.]

I think the logic behind increasing dosage over the five days is that it mimics our body's natural gradual rising oestrogen levels.

When I successfully conceived my daughter my dosages were very small. They were as follows:
CD3 - 69mg
CD4 - 92mg
CD5 - 115mg
CD6 - 138mg
CD7 - 161mg
(Weird numbers as it was all dependent on how much actual soy isoflavones were in my tablets)
I ovulated on CD13 that cycle instead of CD23 (as I had the cycle before).

This time around I did:
CD2 - 150
CD3 - 150
CD4 - 200
CD5 - 200
CD6 - 200

I ovulated CD21 instead of CD25, so it wasn't as good at bringing my ovulation forward and I also had uncomfortable ovaries for about three weeks (a week before ovualtion and the whole TWW). I think my dosage was too high.

So this cycle I'll be doing:
CD3 - 100
CD4 - 125
CD5 - 150
CD6 - 175
CD7 - 200

We'll see what happens!

 

[Lost7]

The problem I think, is that Clomid is given at a flat rate - for example, 50mg each day.

That dosage does not increase, so why would you want to try a natural clomid and tamper with dosage? Hormone or no hormones, it's a drug, you don't take 20mg of paracetamol then 50mg of it the next day, in fact, what drug or medicine do you actually do that with, ever?

Paracetamol, aspirin, Vitamin B6, CoEnzyme Q10, it's all a flat rate dosage....

 

[squirrel.]

Despite Soy being called 'nature's clomid' they aren't the same though Lost. While Clomid may be prescribed at a steady dosage, that doesn't mean that soy should be taken as such. Soy is similar to clomid in that it tricks the body into thinking it isn't producing enough oestrogen, but other than that, chemically, there are few similarities. I don't believe enough research has been done into soy isoflavones in the same way there has been into clomid in treating hormonal imbalances in women who are TTC. The only evidence I can find after extensive searching is anecdotal and that seems to point to higher success coming from increasing dosages over the five days, that's why I do it I guess. As it's not a science, there's nothing conclusive to say one is better or more effective than the other, so each to their own I think in the end it's whatever you feel comfortable or happy with. I'm going to mimic my last successful soy cycle with even more gradually increasing dosages starting lower. I do think the pain I experienced this last cycle for three weeks was due to taking too high a dosage.

Edit: Forgot to add that Soy Isoflavones are a food supplement, not a drug. And there are plenty of medicines you take in varying dosages to your needs. I always start with one tablet of ibuprofen and if that doesn't work then I use two the next time. Or when I was prescribed nifedipine for raised blood pressure after Oscar's birth, I was on a schedule to decrease dosages over a few weeks. Drugs can be given at varying dosages for various reasons. Food supplements as well, but like I said, as there isn't enough scientific evidence to prove which is more effective with soy isoflavones, all we can go off is anecdotal evidence (both others' and our own) and hope for the best!!

 

[Lost7]

Is there anyone else who wants adding on Page 1?

 

[dimmu]

I'm still on my TWW but have ordered some soya, they are in the bathroom cupboard waiting for the next cycle. So unless I get lucky this week I'll be starting in October. Will have to wait and see.

 

[Raine96]

My opks are finally getting darker and closer to positive after almost a week of being exactly the same. Im starting to get a tender/full feeling so I think I will finally O today or tomorrow! Im on CD25 so this is super late for me.

 

[BostonLover89]

Is there anyone else who wants adding on Page 1?

I'm taking the soy (CD2-6) for this cycle.

I'm on cd 4 so just at the beginning! Testing around oct 23-25!!! Hoping these help lengthen my LP

 

[Lost7]

Is there anyone else who wants adding on Page 1?

I'm taking the soy (CD2-6) for this cycle.

I'm on cd 4 so just at the beginning! Testing around oct 23-25!!! Hoping these help lengthen my LP

I'll add you. What mg are you taking?

dimmu, good luck with this 2ww! FX you won't have to use them next month. Shall I add you down for 'waiting to try'?

 

[Lost7]

Sorry for Squirrel. Are you going to try Soya again?

 

[Powell130]

I think the logic behind increasing dosage over the five days is that it mimics our body's natural gradual rising oestrogen levels.

When I successfully conceived my daughter my dosages were very small. They were as follows:
CD3 - 69mg
CD4 - 92mg
CD5 - 115mg
CD6 - 138mg
CD7 - 161mg
(Weird numbers as it was all dependent on how much actual soy isoflavones were in my tablets)
I ovulated on CD13 that cycle instead of CD23 (as I had the cycle before).

This time around I did:
CD2 - 150
CD3 - 150
CD4 - 200
CD5 - 200
CD6 - 200

I ovulated CD21 instead of CD25, so it wasn't as good at bringing my ovulation forward and I also had uncomfortable ovaries for about three weeks (a week before ovualtion and the whole TWW). I think my dosage was too high.

So this cycle I'll be doing:
CD3 - 100
CD4 - 125
CD5 - 150
CD6 - 175
CD7 - 200

We'll see what happens!

Thats also what I found in regards to increasing doses

 

[BostonLover89]

Lost, I'm starting out with 100mg. Well, the first day I did 50 mg because I didn't pay attention to serving size lol oops.

 

[Lost7]

TTCpcos and dolphinleigh, how have you both got on?
1st page has now been updated, if you see any errors please let me know!

 

[Lost7]

Lost, I'm starting out with 100mg. Well, the first day I did 50 mg because I didn't pay attention to serving size lol oops.

Are you doing one cycle on 5 x 100mg daily? Or are you increasing the dosages?