The steroid junkies' perfectly unscientific medical trial

Yeah, it seems that the trials you have to have no known other cause (like clotting disorders) but many of us have clotting disorders AND nk cell/other immune issues. So it will take a while to get enough of the people without anything else.
 
Peace what immune testing did you have done?

Did you get the intralipids on the NHS?

I agree with taking info, I printed some info off Dr Shehata website re treatment for thyroid antibodies and think I have persuaded my consultant to prescribe steroids

Xx

Hi Hope!
Great work on persuading the consultant.

I took the standard NHS RMC tests but then "filled the gaps" by doing the more advanced immune tests privately. I saw Dr Amin Gorgy at the Fertility & Gynae Academy. He does lots of different tests and doesn't believe in focusing just on the NKc test in isolation. Usually, he first tests for hidden infections that could be causing the immune upheaval. I chose him because he is very flexible and gives the patient the choice of which tests you wish to spend your money on. Generally the most reliable testing is done in Chicago so he sends it out there. But there is a lab at St Heliers Hospital in Epsom that has started doing some of the tests. They are less expensive and accept a GP signed test request form. Here they are: https://www.ri-centre.co.uk/ However, the results can only be interpreted by an immune specialist so you still need to see someone privately. Lots of UK ladies are flying out to Spain and the Czech Republic to get the tests and treatment there - cheaper and very accessible.

Re:intralipids I got the initial prescription from Dr G and showed it to my GP. I wanted her to provide me with a repeat prescription and she did that but as a private prescription. Still it only costs £13 a bag and I go to a nursing company in central London to administer it. It still costs far far less than many of the doctors charge! Please feel free to pm if you'd like more info.

Petitpas, thank you for the good wishes :hugs: I was sceptical about the test too but after talking to various US specialists I understand where the misconception lies. They believe that you can't rely solely on the total NKc count and that the more relevant result is the killing power of the NKc. Thats why most immune drs look at the entire spectrum of immune cells and subsets of cells in addition to the NKc.

Yes you're both right Petitpas & Tasha, it would very difficult to get a large trial done because there are so many combinations of issues that different ladies will have. But the clinical evidence of the all the IVF clinics that use immune treatment speaks for itself. With the NHs there will always be the political wrangling in the background and the competition for research funding. Sadly, for most women the treatment will remain inaccessible for the forseeable future.

:hugs: everyone
 
I can't believe they only cost £13, docs charge £350!!

You need to empty your messages, then I can PM you :)
 
Oops sorry its clear now !

Yeah some charge even more than that...women are vulnerable and desperate so they charge exorbitant prices. Elsewhere in the EU clinics charge between €50-90.
 
It's disgusting that it costs so little yet they charge so much

I'm not desperate yet, can't be far off now, lol!!

I will PM you tomorrow Hun

Xx
 
Oh wow, that is disgusting.
 
So I got my results. Elevated NKC, and I need steriods.
 
Tasha, weird as this sounds that is great news :happydance: but how sad that you've had to suffer so much to get to finally get an answer :hugs:

May you be the next steroid success!!!
 
Tasha, I'm glad you will be getting the steroids. Might as well throw everything at you at this point :hugs: Will you be taking them from ovulation?
 
I'm getting steroids and clexane for my next pregnancy too!

Thankfully I haven't had to have an NK cell test, my consultant accepted the info I gave her off Dr Shehata website re thyroid antibodies and has decided to prescribe pred. She rang me yesterday to tell me she wasn't going to bother referring me to St Mary for Teg test, she will prescribe clexane instead

NHS are finally listening to me!

I will also be on progesterone and high dose folic but was in them last time too

Come on AF, hurry up

Xx
 
Wow Hope that is a great outcome in dealing with an NHS consultant!

Dr Sher in the US says that often it is the combination of the steroid, clexane, progesterone and in your case high dose folic acid that makes all the difference.

Fingers crossed for you & Tasha!

Good luck xxx
 
Tasha, Hope, good luck! I am sorry for your losses but I hope you will have your steroid babies in your arms soon!
My dr prescribed pred for my IUI without NK cell test. No one except him seems to treat unexplained infertility with steroids but I believe it was what worked for me. Although I lost one year TTC on low dose dexamethasone, I am glad I did not suffer any more losses.
 
Hi peptitas

Congrats on your lil boy he is gorgeous, Iwent to see mr s in london in june and have been diagnosed with high nk cell as well as high activation, steroids it is for me took them last month but BFN :growlmad: currently 4po so fingers crossed for this one he hasnt given me cleaxane as nothing wrong with antiphoslipids just a bit worried incase i would be better off taking them anyway. I am to test on the 30th nov as ovulated the on day 14 started steroids on day 15
 
Hi Hope39, are you taking steroids on a natural cycle or an embryo transfer? thanks..
 
Yep I'm all natural, I will take them as soon as I get a positive pregnancy test xx
 
Thank you lovely ladies :)

i had another scan today and doc said my lining in .6 and he would like it to be .8 by this Thursday before the FET. if not he won’t do the transfer this cycle and do the next cycle with hormone therapy.
I'm on my day 12 of this cycle. in my last cycle i ovulated on day 19 so my cycles are longer even on clomid. Is there anything i can do/eat(foods) to improve the lining? I’m already taking 75mg baby asprin, doc said that helps for the lining too.
thanks again to all of you..
 
Filipenko32 took something to thicken her lining, I'm sure it was oestrogen but could be totally wrong. Hers was a monitored clomid cycle. I get fili to drop in here and confirm x
 
Well, the good news is your lining should be thickening on its own. It usually puffs up big time once you have ovulated.
I had a doctor once say my lining was too thin to conceive. Oh how wrong he was... :haha: As you still have a few extra days to go until ovulation I really wouldn't worry just yet.

Good luck everyone with the roids! Come on, babies :happydance::happydance:
 
Baby dust and hope, I had gallons of red raspberry leaf tea and estrogen tablets just before I was given the trigger shot to release the eggs. For me, (and everyone is different) clomid instantly thinned my lining. I think I was on 100 mg estrogen a day for 4 days and then it had thickened before baby implanted! I think it got to about 7 at the time of the trigger shot and that's the last I knew. I'd never had a lining problem before clomid! For most people it takes a few cycles of it to start developing lining probs but it was a problem for me after 1st cycle on clomid, doc was a bit shocked! Xx
 

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