To drink or not to drink?

[reedsgirl1138]

Wow...Madly those are some words I never thought I would hear out of you. There is a big difference in hair dye and alcohol. ANd yes your right your body but when you decided to have a baby you decided to let another human life take part of that body....when does that life get a choice?? I guess this is a subject I will never understand.

 

[MADLYSBOYS]

I agree with you hon 100% but I will not be persuaded....From the bottom of my heart I do not believe that an occasional alcoholic drink whilst pregnant will harm my baby. My intention is never to get drunk but simply enjoy the very odd alcoholic beverage......unfortunately this will always be viewed with criticism but there is no right or wrong myself and the other ladies who choose to indulge have made our choices just like any other we are faced with whilst pregnant!

 

[BlackBerry25]

Well sometimes, if you choose to drink, then the kid has FASD, is taken away from you, put into foster care, and it becomes a life long problem for the child and for society...so no I don't believe it is a matter of your body, your baby, your choice. I really think it should be illegal, as you are technically giving a minor alcohol.

 

[MADLYSBOYS]

reedsgirl I agree a big difference between alcohol and hairdye but I have already recieved very much criticism for dying my hair :0 so I expect to recieve criticism for having the occasional alcoholic drink!

I by no means intend to get drunk or have more than the occasional indulgence which is what I understand to be the other ladies intentions too! I am well aware of the facts but I truly believe there is no risk to my baby! No more than the trillion other things I am not meant to do/eat/indulge in whilst pregnant....drug or no drug!

 

[BlackBerry25]

But you are right, it is your choice.

Just putting in my two cents on the subject. It is a very personal subject to me as I see these girls who will not really have much of a chance in life, because their mom drank.

 

[reedsgirl1138]

I am not trying to persuade you...all I am saying is when does the baby get a choice? Everyone on here talks about my body my baby my choices...I firmly think at the time I decided to start ttc that anything that could potentially harm my fetus went to the wayside. Its such a short amount of time to make sure that I give my baby at chance at a normal healthy life and if even one drink can risk that, that is one drink I will not be taking. I am not paranoid about it, I have just read seen to many babies born that werent' given a choice and spent the rest of their life with a disability...how in the end is that drink justified?

 

[BrandiCanucks]

Madly, may I ask if you plan to have more children after this one?

I'm not asking you to be pursuaded by asking this, but simply consider from a separate point of view, different to yours, but experienced by many people, not only in this thread but around the world.

What would happen if your child, the one you are carrying right now, did turn out to be born with FAS/FAE from your occasional drinks? Would you perhaps consider the other point of view and then believe that any amount of alcohol is not safe? All scientists and doctors everywhere agree on that matter, which is why it is the first statement always made, before your UK recommendations say one or two a week is fine.

What I'm asking is, what happened if the child you are carrying now happened to be born with FAE/FAS from your few drinks? Would you then continue to drink during subsequent pregnancies, or would you take the other side and advocate for the children who are victims of this preventable disability?

 

[MADLYSBOYS]

I am sorry but I disagree BlackBerry25

Throughout this whole thread it sounds like the ladies who occasionally indulge are branded to have serious alcohol problems by having the very odd alcoholic beverage?

The way I see it is that if the only thing my Dr has to worry about during my pregnancy is my very veryoccasional alcoholic indulgence then she/he has got a pretty easy job caring for me during pregnancy, considering the MW/Dr tells you a few units per week is ok and I by far have no where near that! I will not indulge in paranoia and scare stories/tactics....I have been there and done that and no more!

 

[reedsgirl1138]

The child may not just end up with FAS but what about ADHD? My little brother has that and the drs have linked it to the fact that my mother choice to drink occassionally as she was hiding the pregnancy and wanted her life to appear as "normal" as possible. In the end my brother was born earlier with with a air bubble in his lung and also has several social dysfunctions. To look at him he would appear normal however he never finished high school and has a hard time keeping a job cause he can't keep his attention focused not to mention the anger issues he has...its not always the obvious illness the small ones can sneak in there as well. You all say you want a healthy happy baby so why not give him/her that chance from the start?

 

[reedsgirl1138]

I am sorry but I disagree BlackBerry25

Throughout this whole thread it sounds like the ladies who occasionally indulge are branded to have serious alcohol problems by having the very odd alcoholic beverage?

The way I see it is that if the only thing my Dr has to worry about during my pregnancy is my very veryoccasional alcoholic indulgence then she/he has got a pretty easy job caring for me during pregnancy, considering the MW/Dr tells you a few units per week is ok and I by far have no where near that! I will not indulge in paranoia and scare stories/tactics....I have been there and done that and no more!

Hun I don't see it as scare tatics or stories...its the honest to goodness truth. And is my dr/MW told me it was ok to drink even one or two I would find a new one. I am not trying to tell you how to live your life or what you should do all I ask is that before you take that drink think this thought " I wonder if my baby would drink this if given a choice?"

 

[BrandiCanucks]

These kids are frequently born with ADHD, ODD and other behavioural disorders. FAE may present simply as a mathematics or other learning disorder. Have your UK doctors and midwives continued to follow these children years after their births to follow up on their progress? How many of them have since been diagnosed with a behaviour or learning disorder? Do any of the doctors or midwives really even know?

Something to consider for those who claim there is no evidence. The evidence could be right there, just not as easy to spot...kind of like my daughter's condition. The evidence is right in front of us, all her symptoms are linked somehow, we just haven't been able to put them all together yet to create a full diagnosis.

 

[MADLYSBOYS]

I think its the us/uk conflict in advice given to pregnant ladies!

I live in the uk and of course am provided with different statistics/advice to you ladies.....I have seen nothing that gives concrete evidence to prove that the occasional drink during pregnancy will risk/harm my baby, I am sorry I just do not!

Brandicanucks I have DS and this will be my last baby......I had the occasional alcoholic drink during pregnancy with DS and he was a perfectly healthy baby all 10lb 5oz of him!

I understand for you ladies this is a subject really close to your hearts and I respect that but for me I have made my choose on the advice I have been given and from my experience!

Please can I explain what I mean by the occasional alcoholic drink I am in no doubt it will still recieve the same response but I wanted to let you know what it is I do drink......no spirits, no wine, no cider, no hard alcohol......I have the very occasional very very weak lager shandy.....I nursed a lager shandy all day at my sisters DD christening on sunday and pretended to sip the very high alcoholic content toast before getting my sister to swig the glass for me! I do not have a problem and do not see this poses a risk to my baby......I do not agree with heavy drinking whilst pregnant I believe this is when the risks really fly in! I am under no illusions and am perfectly well aware but I do not see any harm!

Thank you ladies

 

[aob1013]

This is ridiculous

I personally abstained completely as i didn't want to take the tiniest risk, however that was my decision. I am actually appalled at the way some people are talking/have talked to the ladies who have decided to have a drink once in a while. A little drink, here and there throught the whole 9 friggin months really doesn't warrant the crucifiction some of the ladies have got here.

Whatever we as Mother's decide to do it isn't taken lightheartedly, EVERYONE is educated in their decisions as a parent and i really think that a few of you need to back off, and to be honest, not give a shit about what other people do. It's their life.

Bash all you like, i doooooo not care.

 

[MADLYSBOYS]

reedsgirl hon all the MW in the uk provide you with the same sort of booklet info during pregnancy.....they simply do not have concrete evidence to give pregnant women that shows a risk is posed?

 

[reedsgirl1138]

I do not see any bashing going on. Just giving statics and facts. I would politely say if you don't like it don't read the thread. There is not much else to say than that.

 

[My_First]

I think ultimately its a UK/US difference. The advice is vastly different, but does not make it wrong, either way.

You go to France, and if you get a cofffe while pregnant, you are frowned upon as if it was a cigarette, its a difference of what we know and have been given, and so I think its only fair that everyone accepts that each other have different approches...

 

[reedsgirl1138]

reedsgirl hon all the MW in the uk provide you with the same sort of booklet info during pregnancy.....they simply do not have concrete evidence to give pregnant women that shows a risk is posed?

Its just a lot different here Madly I guess. I do respect your thoughts and opionion. I really hope that you do not feel I was bashing you...just giving you my point of view.

 

[Tigerlass]

Just a quicky.....

I had my first scan yesterday at 12 weeks, and my little one was jumping and dancing and I havent touched a drop of alcohol....So that just proves that video is CRAP! lol....Although I dont agree with drinking whilst pregnant, the video is still rubbish as my scan proved it

 

[aob1013]

I do not see any bashing going on. Just giving statics and facts. I would politely say if you don't like it don't read the thread. There is not much else to say than that.

Never said there was any bashing going, i said feel free to bash me.

With regards to stats and facts, i believe them, and i do believe everyone should abstain during pregnancy - what i don't agree with is how some people are talking to others in this thread, there is no need for it.

 

[reedsgirl1138]

Tigerlass there is a difference in jumping and dancing and the twitch that baby had in the video. Unless you have a video of your own that shows your baby having the same exact twitches.