United States Frustration

[Samiam03]

obama didnt come into the best situation, lets be honest lol

Plus, let's be honest...The president is not the only one responsible for the country being screwed up. If you dislike what's going on with the country...blame your congressmen and vote some of those morons out. Obama can't be blamed for more than half of what is going on because there is still the Checks and Balances system that allows congress to override his decisions and not pass any of his bills.

I just hate when people blame obama and don't blame congress. Congress also gets paid way more than Obama does to sit around and go against the people they are representing.

This from someone who, as I said, doesn't like Obama.

 

[MomOf3Kiddos]

My husband has company paid insurance through work. But he doesn't make as much money as he would somewhere else. We didn't get to pick a plan, or have any say in costs to us either. My OB is a specialist ?!?! Huh that's something as a woman I have to have. But it's a $50 visit, every time I go. My last us cost $200 in co pay alone. Having one vile of blood drawn costs me $15.
It's unreal. It was a big shock when we finally used our insurance. I have a $2500 deductible. For just myself.
This baby was a big surprise,I know we already struggle with money as it is. My husband gets laid off once a year. And we make too much money for state aid.

 

[AlwaysPraying]

The view / argument that people don't want to be forced to pay for health care they may never use, to me isn't a good one.

You will never know if something will happen to you and you'll require extensive health care. Yes maybe you'll never use it but honestly you (being the general "you") should go to the dr every year for check up to get blood done paps etc. there's so much preventative that the health care system offers that we can access.

It's honestly never ever crossed my mind that my taxes go to health care I may not use. I also pay for streets, public transportstion, public safety (fire and police) in my taxes and have never needed a fire truck or a police man before but I'm glad I have that available to me. Same goes for public transportation. I have a car but it's good we have a bus a subway system.

 

[Jinnah]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

 

[mommytobe11]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

The government will help out those people. I don't know exactly what its called. But for example, a household with 2 adults and 1 child who make less then 75,000 combined will get government assitance.

 

[Jinnah]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

The government will help out those people. I don't know exactly what its called. But for example, a household with 2 adults and 1 child who make less then 75,000 combined will get government assitance.

That's what my husband and I were wondering. We have soon to be six in our family on one income. Do they consider family size? Or just income? We're a lot tighter than a family of two or three on the same income, ya know? We are good with health insurance for now, but there have been times when we could only afford for the children to have it privately and we went without it.

 

[mommytobe11]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

The government will help out those people. I don't know exactly what its called. But for example, a household with 2 adults and 1 child who make less then 75,000 combined will get government assitance.

That's what my husband and I were wondering. We have soon to be six in our family on one income. Do they consider family size? Or just income? We're a lot tighter than a family of two or three on the same income, ya know? We are good with health insurance for now, but there have been times when we could only afford for the children to have it privately and we went without it.

I don't know for sure, but based on what I've been reading, I would assume they also go by a family's size.
This is something that's going to help individuals and families tremendously, I don't think they'd let big familes go without

 

[Jinnah]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

The government will help out those people. I don't know exactly what its called. But for example, a household with 2 adults and 1 child who make less then 75,000 combined will get government assitance.

That's what my husband and I were wondering. We have soon to be six in our family on one income. Do they consider family size? Or just income? We're a lot tighter than a family of two or three on the same income, ya know? We are good with health insurance for now, but there have been times when we could only afford for the children to have it privately and we went without it.

I don't know for sure, but based on what I've been reading, I would assume they also go by a family's size.
This is something that's going to help individuals and families tremendously, I don't think they'd let big familes go without

Thanks for the info. I wish I could find something to read about this, but I haven't seen anything.

 

[mommy0629]

Ok, I'm not one to debate politics and I generally don't even bother myself with it because it stresses me out lol. My stepdad on the other hand is the most well informed citizen I've ever met when it comes to politics. He reads up as much as he can of it every single day, it's something he likes to stay informed about. Most of what I know comes from him and I trust him because he researches all sides of every discussion and knows what he's talking about (the facts). I only ask him about things when they concern me and Obamacare is one of them. Frankly, it scares the CRAP out of me!

Here's the bottom line, if you think that the US government wants to impliment this plan to HELP the American people, take your blinders off. These polititians are greedy crooks and a government run health system benefits THEM. This is something they know darn well is important to all of us and if it SEEMS like they're on our side, they get re-elected.

Obamacare isn't nearly as simple as we all pay a tax and everyone has free healthcare. I wish it was, trust me. It's a twisted sceme to raise taxes!
The people who will be charged the tax(FINE) for not having private health care still aren't going to get health care because the tax/fine is cheaper than a premium.
The "extra" funding to individual states coming from the tax that will be withheld if they don't expand their Medicaid programs isn't going to change what they already get (it's unconstitutional to take that away) so why will they bother to comply?

Private insurances will be raising their premiums because of government mandaited rules of what they must cover and none of us will be able to afford it, forcing the private systems to go out of business, creating MAJOR job loss, forcing Americans to take jobs even if the employer doesn't offer the benefits of health coverage, causing all businesses to drop their employee benefits (because their tax/FINE will be cheaper than the rising private health care costs they assist their employees with). Then what? We're ALL FORCED to depend on our government for health care. Doesn't sound like a bad thing? Think our doctors who spend 8 plus years of their life in medical school and accumulate 100s of thousands of $s in student loan debt are gonna make less money? You betcha! Think we'll still get quality health care then?? Nope It'll be "free" though.

This country is a gigantic MESS! We have no clue what we're doing and nothing gets done properly because of greed. Obamacare is no exception. I'm not at all against American people of all income levels getting health care, this is not the answer though, they just want us to think it is so we'll re-elect the ones who pass it.

 

[mommytobe11]

Ok, I'm not one to debate politics and I generally don't even bother myself with it because it stresses me out lol. My stepdad on the other hand is the most well informed citizen I've ever met when it comes to politics. He reads up as much as he can of it every single day, it's something he likes to stay informed about. Most of what I know comes from him and I trust him because he researches all sides of every discussion and knows what he's talking about (the facts). I only ask him about things when they concern me and Obamacare is one of them. Frankly, it scares the CRAP out of me!

Here's the bottom line, if you think that the US government wants to impliment this plan to HELP the American people, take your blinders off. These polititians are greedy crooks and a government run health system benefits THEM. This is something they know darn well is important to all of us and if it SEEMS like they're on our side, they get re-elected.

Obamacare isn't nearly as simple as we all pay a tax and everyone has free healthcare. I wish it was, trust me. It's a twisted sceme to raise taxes!
The people who will be charged the tax(FINE) for not having private health care still aren't going to get health care because the tax/fine is cheaper than a premium.
The "extra" funding to individual states coming from the tax that will be withheld if they don't expand their Medicaid programs isn't going to change what they already get (it's unconstitutional to take that away) so why will they bother to comply?

Private insurances will be raising their premiums because of government mandaited rules of what they must cover and none of us will be able to afford it, forcing the private systems to go out of business, creating MAJOR job loss, forcing Americans to take jobs even if the employer doesn't offer the benefits of health coverage, causing all businesses to drop their employee benefits (because their tax/FINE will be cheaper than the rising private health care costs they assist their employees with). Then what? We're ALL FORCED to depend on our government for health care. Doesn't sound like a bad thing? Think our doctors who spend 8 plus years of their life in medical school and accumulate 100s of thousands of $s in student loan debt are gonna make less money? You betcha! Think we'll still get quality health care then?? Nope It'll be "free" though.

This country is a gigantic MESS! We have no clue what we're doing and nothing gets done properly because of greed. Obamacare is no exception. I'm not at all against American people of all income levels getting health care, this is not the answer though, they just want us to think it is so we'll re-elect the ones who pass it.

Not to be rude, but because you're getting information from your stepdad (who is clearly against this), you're only getting one side. I think its so important for us all to research how this affects us as individuals and as a country.

I'm not saying this is a perfect solution to what our country needs, but its a good start at changing the corrupt system we call health care. The fact that pre existing condions will no longer be an issue is enough to celebrate this. I've seen far too many people handed a death sentence because they get diagnosed with cancer with no insurance.

I honestly can't stress enough how important it is for us all to educate ourselves instead of just going off what other people say, whether that means you agree with it or not.

 

[mommy0629]

Ok, I'm not one to debate politics and I generally don't even bother myself with it because it stresses me out lol. My stepdad on the other hand is the most well informed citizen I've ever met when it comes to politics. He reads up as much as he can of it every single day, it's something he likes to stay informed about. Most of what I know comes from him and I trust him because he researches all sides of every discussion and knows what he's talking about (the facts). I only ask him about things when they concern me and Obamacare is one of them. Frankly, it scares the CRAP out of me!

Here's the bottom line, if you think that the US government wants to impliment this plan to HELP the American people, take your blinders off. These polititians are greedy crooks and a government run health system benefits THEM. This is something they know darn well is important to all of us and if it SEEMS like they're on our side, they get re-elected.

Obamacare isn't nearly as simple as we all pay a tax and everyone has free healthcare. I wish it was, trust me. It's a twisted sceme to raise taxes!
The people who will be charged the tax(FINE) for not having private health care still aren't going to get health care because the tax/fine is cheaper than a premium.
The "extra" funding to individual states coming from the tax that will be withheld if they don't expand their Medicaid programs isn't going to change what they already get (it's unconstitutional to take that away) so why will they bother to comply?

Private insurances will be raising their premiums because of government mandaited rules of what they must cover and none of us will be able to afford it, forcing the private systems to go out of business, creating MAJOR job loss, forcing Americans to take jobs even if the employer doesn't offer the benefits of health coverage, causing all businesses to drop their employee benefits (because their tax/FINE will be cheaper than the rising private health care costs they assist their employees with). Then what? We're ALL FORCED to depend on our government for health care. Doesn't sound like a bad thing? Think our doctors who spend 8 plus years of their life in medical school and accumulate 100s of thousands of $s in student loan debt are gonna make less money? You betcha! Think we'll still get quality health care then?? Nope It'll be "free" though.

This country is a gigantic MESS! We have no clue what we're doing and nothing gets done properly because of greed. Obamacare is no exception. I'm not at all against American people of all income levels getting health care, this is not the answer though, they just want us to think it is so we'll re-elect the ones who pass it.

Not to be rude, but because you're getting information from your stepdad (who is clearly against this), you're only getting one side. I think its so important for us all to research how this affects us as individuals and as a country.

I'm not saying this is a perfect solution to what our country needs, but its a good start at changing the corrupt system we call health care. The fact that pre existing condions will no longer be an issue is enough to celebrate this. I've seen far too many people handed a death sentence because they get diagnosed with cancer with no insurance.

I honestly can't stress enough how important it is for us all to educate ourselves instead of just going off what other people say, whether that means you agree with it or not.

I see your point as far as getting most of my information from my stepdad, it's not true though. He's not just "against" it and basing his opinion and what he translates to me based on one side. He researches ALL of it, every side, and tells me the FACTS. I 100% agree with out we all need to educate oursleves, I promise you I'm well informed.

Do I wish insurance companies couldn't refuse treatment to people based on pre-existing conditions? Absolutely! But the government FORCING them to make those changes doesn't solve that problem. They still have the right as private corporations to do what they want/need to do to accomadate for the extra cost of that. They're going to raise our already very high premiums! and the government can do nothing at all to stop them from doing that, it's unconstitutional. That's what our polititians voting for this are hoping will happen.

 

[3xscharmer]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here, I have been soo jelous of the healthcare my UK friends get at times! My husband and I have talked about it extensivley and both agree that while it sounds great in theory, somehow the US government will screw it up for us! Lot of things our gov does sounds great on paper but while the plan is good, the execution sucks and things go wrong and somebody is usually profitting from it and its not the people!

 

[Porcelain]

The view / argument that people don't want to be forced to pay for health care they may never use, to me isn't a good one.

You will never know if something will happen to you and you'll require extensive health care. Yes maybe you'll never use it but honestly you (being the general "you") should go to the dr every year for check up to get blood done paps etc. there's so much preventative that the health care system offers that we can access.

It's honestly never ever crossed my mind that my taxes go to health care I may not use. I also pay for streets, public transportstion, public safety (fire and police) in my taxes and have never needed a fire truck or a police man before but I'm glad I have that available to me. Same goes for public transportation. I have a car but it's good we have a bus a subway system.

Exactly. People pay for roads they don't drive on. People pay for firemen that they hopefully will never use. 54% of the American tax goes to military (past- veterans, etc. or present). So we're not fussing about 54% of that tax, but complaining about the 18% of your income (max.) that'll go to protect the same Americans for whom we want freedom and democracy fought for?
There's a certain meme that's going around '"You don't want a pack of gum? That'll be $2.34"'. WTF? I get it, you're upset that you have to help your fellow citizen and help your country be healthy, but do these people even realize Obamacare was based off of Romneycare, which, by the way, has a fine for opting out. In the form of not getting tax exemption, but it's still money out of your pocket all the same! Romney has even endorsed the individual mandate!
God forbid something contagious starts and the patient 0 doesn't have health care to nip it in the bud and we have a new plague on our hands.

 

[lovelylisa84]

I know what you mean. We have to support our president if we want to stay united. Unity is so important! I thank God everyday for my job because I get health benefits- HMO but I never see a bill. Something needs to be done whether it is Obama or the next president. I also am a Christian but I am a registered democrat. Christians can criticize me for that but whatever... I dont answer to them. I answer to the man above.

 

[Porcelain]

This is what I want to know: what about the people who make just a little too much to qualify for things like Medicaid, but do not make nearly enough to pay the high heath insurance premiums through their work? That's the main problem I see and it might be why people do not like it. Does anyone know how that will be handled?

I know people who intentionally don't strive for better jobs because they'd lose their medicaid. It's so pathetic.
If you don't have medicaid and can't afford insurance via work you would be able to buy Health Care For America if I understand this correctly.
The Obamacare Calculator: https://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/how_much_does_obamacare_cost_you_calculator
https://digg.com/news/politics/how_much_does_obamacare_cost_you_calculator
https://obamacarefacts.com/
https://www.forbes.com/2009/12/24/obamacare-health-insurance-business-healthcare-reform.html

 

[Porcelain]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here, I have been soo jelous of the healthcare my UK friends get at times! My husband and I have talked about it extensivley and both agree that while it sounds great in theory, somehow the US government will screw it up for us! Lot of things our gov does sounds great on paper but while the plan is good, the execution sucks and things go wrong and somebody is usually profitting from it and its not the people!

Lol, I definitely believe that there's a large probability of the US gov. screwing it up! I understand that the U.S. is a capitalist society, but if we could just stop those people from profiting millions and billions of dollars from the US people and stop the process of buying votes, I think that we'd be better off. The founding fathers thought we would be a country based of of morality. Instead we're based off of greed.

 

[Porcelain]

I know what you mean. We have to support our president if we want to stay united. Unity is so important! I thank God everyday for my job because I get health benefits- HMO but I never see a bill. Something needs to be done whether it is Obama or the next president. I also am a Christian but I am a registered democrat. Christians can criticize me for that but whatever... I dont answer to them. I answer to the man above.

I feel like a lot of my opinions are very conservative, but I try to be a good Christian, too so it's one of my biggest pet peeves when a Christian goes on a tirade about helping out their fellow citizen. Okay, if you're spending all your time volunteering or donate your money to a worth charity or something, then I get it. But the people I know who complain about supporting their neighbor- their brother or sister in Christ- don't. I often wonder if we worship the same God study about the same Jesus.

 

[Laura617]

The medical system here is indeed very frustrating. I am not taking a side here (simply because I don't argue anything political on forums lol). I am going to share a link. This isn't representing my opinion and I am sharing it because I have seen people say here they don't understand why anyone is against it do this is just to help with understanding:
https://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcarereform/f/What-Is-Obama-Care.htm

 

[Laura617]

Oh and just to add m, the link I shared has pros and cons so it's not pushing one way or the other.

 

[Porcelain]

The medical system here is indeed very frustrating. I am not taking a side here (simply because I don't argue anything political on forums lol). I am going to share a link. This isn't representing my opinion and I am sharing it because I have seen people say here they don't understand why anyone is against it do this is just to help with understanding:
https://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcarereform/f/What-Is-Obama-Care.htm

Thanks for the link!
As far as the cons go, I'm opening up a new business (impeccable timing with the timing of the pregnancy, I know). I won't be affected by the mandate because I'll have under 50 full time employees (two part time employees count as 1 full time employee). But, I also know there is a tax credit for small business to help them with the cost as well as other wiggle room in regards to the new legislation if they do have 50+ employees. (opposed to what would happen if I lived under Romneycare because I might have 11+ employees within the next 5 years)
I think each pro and con has a pro and con, too, lol! And a whole lot of backstory and possibility for change of it, as well.