Vitamin B6 - Lengthen luteal phase or increase progesterone

[nypage1981]

Have you found vit b with no c?

 

[lisaf]

yep, none of the complex's I've seen have vitamin C...
but its frustrating how different the complexes are and how different stores don't carry all the varieties.

 

[nypage1981]

I know it sure is...mine says something weird on the front...its got rose hips and rice bran. Lol. yea....ok. and vitamin c. i may go look for a diff one. seems like i dont need vit c. its a bit in my prenatal and i enjoy OJ! did you ever take EPO? or is that not recommended with clomid?

 

[lisaf]

I didn't try EPO.. mainly because I never had a problem with my CM.
I tried not to do too many supplements while on the clomid also.

 

[LiSa2010]

Hey Lisa2010,

I had an early m/c at the end of September and naturally felt quite down about it for a while, but found that taking a few steps towards 'controlling' my fertility was really therapeutic. You've got a really positive and proactive approach to the future, which should hopefully help you get through the next few weeks. I hope it works out for you soon and you get your BFP with a sticky bean. Lots of

Minky X

thank you so much Minky, that was very thoughtful of you to say, i really appreciate it.

well i think the got me already. i thought i would have had more time for before she made her appearance but no such luck. so i think today is CD1 for me but I'm definitely going to continue my plan and hope for a BFP soon.

good luck to you too...

 

[nypage1981]

Lisa2010 and Minkysouth1-
I MC twins last year october and have been NTNP since until July ive been actively trying....and nothing
Im sorry the witch arrived LiSa- im expecting it any moment.
Hope your bfp comes for xmas!!!

 

[minkysouth1]

Lisa2010 and Minkysouth1-
I MC twins last year october and have been NTNP since until July ive been actively trying....and nothing
Im sorry the witch arrived LiSa- im expecting it any moment.
Hope your bfp comes for xmas!!!

I'm really sorry to hear about your mc. It must have been a tough year for you and your partner. I hope your luck changes for the better soon, because you really deserve it. Do you have issues with progesterone levels or your luteal phase length?

 

[minkysouth1]

So sorry about the evil witch, Lisa2010! Reckon it's gonna get me soon too...

 

[whitglass]

i noticed that when i took EPO i spotted for 5 days starting at 7 dpo, and i think it's because it's estrogenic, and i was fine with estrogen it was progesterone i needed. so in taking vitex and B complex with an extra 50mg of B6 i was able to have a 12 day luteal phase. i went out of the country awhile and stopped taking them which made me have a 10 day LP! so, i went back to taking b6 and b complex and lo and behold it went back to 12. i am a firm believer in the B vitamins, and vitex! only problem is it can sometimes delay Ov.

 

[nypage1981]

Thanks minky!-
Heres some of my story- any help or feedback is welcome! good or bad.
The doc didnt seem to think anything was wrong with me but I work in radiology and had a friend give me a couple ultrasounds on our own very early on. She noticed that my corpus luteum started to diminish itself much too early, and that was when i began spotting. So yes, I do believe its a progesterone issue. That was a friday evening and I called whatever nurse lines I could think of in pure state of panic to try and get progesterone prescribed to me to try and save it before it was too late, but no one obliged. They didnt believe it would help. I didnt realize at the time that this is very controversial among the docs. Also, in the ER at 5 wks with spotting , no mention of taking my progesterone level, at all. I hate how most docs arent willing to entertain the thought that progesterone difficiencies can be helped if known about soon enough, but really, im just looking for something to blame for my MC. So it is what it is.

So this is why ive started the B vits. Hoping they will help. Altho I dont temp I do Opks and my LP doesnt seeeem to be too short. But then again, when its showing me my surge, perhaps im Ovulating days later, which would be a shorter LP. I may begin temping this month to know for sure. I have very regular cycles though but really really light, and short bleeding. Very painful, but very light. So figure this is low progesterone as well.
Whitglass- do you think that EPO with vit B is good too? Im on that right now, and doubt I need estrogen at all, havent had any spotting this month, with AF due in a day or so. Im thinking thats a good sign, with no spotting, but dont want to give myself less progesterone!

 

[whitglass]

nypage - finding the right balance between estrogen and progesterone can be such a pain! i say definitely take EPO only in the first half before OV since it helps with building up EWCM and follicle development since it is an estrogenic and the first half is technically the estrogen phase. with the second half being progesterone dominant, taking B6 and B vits then would be best. but the two together are fine. because of your history it seems your estrogen is fine and the prog is what needs boosting - which is B vits, particularly B6. and i've found that temping is the best way to see when ov exactly happened.

just a side note - i have a friend who had 3 m/c before her dr suggested testing her progesterone. 3!!! i could not believe they waited that long. so yes, docs can be frustrating, and good job advocating for yourself!

 

[nypage1981]

thanku whit!
your friend had 3?? Thats terrible. Did she go on to have a successful one yet? If so, did she need progesterone suppositories or anything?
Im glad I spoke up for me, but wish i knew about all of it at 5 weeks when i was in the ER because possibly they could have given me something- but nope, they didnt even test it out. Gah!

Im bankin on the b vits to up progesterone...i didnt expect much this month since i didnt even start them right away so im hopin by next cycle they do something for me. I know it can take a few.
Anyone taken progesterone cream? And if so, can it be paired with b vits? This whole pumping stuff into my body is so complicated I could just scream.

 

[LiSa2010]

thanks nypage1981!!

i think my problem may be Progesterone levels too. I want to go out and buy Vitex but I already have Emerita Progesterone cream that I have yet to try. it cost me a pretty penny so I want to make sure I use it all up before trying the Vitex. I've heard that Vit B complex, Vitex, and Red Raspberry Leaf tea work very well together. Will be trying that after if I don't get a after 2 cycles...just saying 2 because I have 2 months worth of the cream..I also have EPO but haven't started those since I only stopped spotting last friday from my mc and wasn't sure when I was going to O or get my first cycle..

will keep you ladies updated...

 

[lisaf]

wow! nypage - that sound so typical of low progesterone!! All of it!!
I know there's no way to know for sure now, since you'd need HCG and progesterone bloodwork drawn a few times to see that the HCG was going up but progesterone was going down.. the only real way to confirm it.

My GYN's office wouldn't take me seriously about my progesterone worries either. They were willing to give it to me after a BFP because they say it won't do any harm and mostly seemed to be shutting me up. My fertility specialist was VERY aware of how important progesterone is etc.
I think its just something they're not very good at on the GYN level..
At my office they won't usually consider testing for anything like progesterone until the 3rd miscarriage also. My friend had 2 and threw a fit... got some testing done, then a clomid cycle with progesterone after ovulation and got pregnant.

 

[nypage1981]

Def keep us updated on the progesterone cream! Im interested in trying that but heard its really iffy whether it works or not. Is that just over the counter or did your doc give it to you?

 

[lisaf]

lisa2010- be careful with the Red Raspberry leaf tea... it shouldn't be used past 5dpo or so because it does cause uterine contractions (they don't let you take it while pregnant until you are 36 weeks or so and then they want you taking it to strengthen the uterus for bith)

 

[nypage1981]

LIsa- ive decided to throw a fit when/if i ever get a BFP so that they prescribe me some progesterone...else I may have to ask a doc at work to do it. What form did they prescribe to you LIsa?

I did have the HCG levels tested at 5 weeks in the ER and an US. That night tech said, "too early to see anything". Ok so, the ER doc thought for some reaason I should come in the next morning to get another. So i did- that US tech says "oh everything looks like its making a good home for baby." So didnt get the HCG levels followed up on 3 days later because I was told it was fine. PFFFT. I was so dense, and since my chart showed 29 year old with 6 year old...no one really paid much attention to me, you knw?
So yes! I am going to pitch a fit for anything I believe the next time around!

 

[whitglass]

nypage the friend went on prometrium and is ttc now so we'll see! and as far as i've seen for what B6 can do, it seems great. it's natural, you pee out what you don't use, and it can prevent m/c. and red raspberry leaf is a great herb not just for fertility - but yes it can cause uterine contractions in higher doses so it seems safer to take it until shortly after O. but i've been drinking it for a long time because i love the taste and i think it has really helped regulate my cycles and chill out my PMS!

 

[nypage1981]

Yes neon pee. its lovely. My OH is excercise physiologist and mentioned that if neon pee doesnt go away after a few days/weeks then it means the body's getting too much of it. Does this seem true to you all?

 

[whitglass]

i think that's why the pee is neon, bc you're getting more than you need. but 'too much' isn't the case because your body absorbs exactly what it needs and deposits the rest, making pee neon. so if you're taking a lot it makes sense for pee to be neon. i have read that too much B6 (like 200mg+) can cause nerve damage, there are mixed reviews on that.

and c'mon girls, let's hear more stories of B6 extending LP!!! good luck