What do you make of this?

If it doesn't taste any different, I don't have a problem eating halal meat, and I don't have a problem with Elyse eating it either, but better yet why not make everyone bring their own lunch to school lol! I never ever went to a school that provided meals for us
 
HI ladies - I didnt know this thread exists. I'm Muslim. I will not comment on offering halal meat to school, but I thought it would be interesting to share the following study:

The Islamic practice of slaughtering animals by means of a sharp cut to the front of the neck has frequently come under attack by some animal rights activists as being a form of animal cruelty, the claim being that it is a painful inhumane method of killing animals. In the West, it is required by law to stun the animals with a shot to the head before the slaughter, supposedly to render the animal unconscious and to prevent it from reviving before it is killed so as not to slow down the movement of the processing line. It is also used to prevent the animal from feeling pain before it dies.

German Research Studies Pain

It therefore may come as a surprise to those who have made such acclimations to learn of the results of a study carried out by Professor Wilhelm Schulze and his colleague Dr. Hazim at the School of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover University in Germany. The study: ‘Attempts to Objectify Pain and Consciousness in Conventional (captive bolt pistol stunning) and Ritual (halal, knife) Methods of Slaughtering Sheep and Calves’ concludes that Islamic slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal.

In the study, several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of the brain. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks. Some animals were then slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and the carotid arteries as well as the trachea and esophagus (Islamic method). Other animals were stunned using a Captive Bolt Pistol (CBP). During the experiment, an electroencephalograph (EEG) and an electrocardiogram (ECG) recorded the condition of the brain and the heart of all animals during the course of slaughter and stunning.

The results were as follows:
 
I – Islamic Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to the large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above-mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving a maximum amount of blood from the body thus resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of animals stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Islamic method resulting in the retention of more blood in the meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

Western-Style Slaughtering and Mad Cow’s Disease

Not only is this method of stunning animals before the slaughter severely painful as shown by the previous experiment, but there is also a rising concern that this method may be a factor in the spread of mad cow’s disease from cattle to humans as it was discovered in recent research carried out at Texas A&M University and by Canada’s Food Inspection Agency, that a method called pneumatic stunning (which is the firing of a metal bolt into the cow's brain followed by a pulverizing burst of 150 pounds of air pressure) delivered a force so explosive that it scattered brain tissue throughout the animal. This news is disturbing since the brain tissue and spinal cord are the most infectious parts of an animal with mad cow disease, which causes fatal Swiss cheese like holes in the brain of the infected animal. It is more disturbing to find out that around 30 to 40 percent of American cattle are stunned by pneumatic guns.

Islamic Regulations for the Slaughter


As one can see from the previous studies, Islamic slaughtering of animals is a blessing to both the animal and to humans alike. In order for the slaughtering to be lawful, several measures must be taken by the one performing the deed. This is to ensure the highest benefit to both the animal and the consumer.

In this regard, the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said: "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".
The object used to slaughter the animal should be sharp and used swiftly. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.

The cut should involve the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This method results in the rapid gush of blood draining most of it from the animal’s body. If the spinal cord is cut, the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest thus resulting in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. The blood must be drained completely before the head is removed. This purifies the meat by removing most of the blood that acts as a medium for microorganisms; meat also remains fresh longer as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
 
Thank you for that post :flower: i had read about that study before but not in as much depth... certainly food for thought (no pun intended!)
 
Just thought id add that in Norway nearly all meat is halal due to the fact that the abattoirs (ugh!) found it easier to make all their meat this way then to get the religious guy in every time for a different batch. Makes sense to me. but then again i couldn't care less. if i did i would have been a vegetarian (i should have been, lol) or a fundamentalist christian. But im neither :)
 
Halal meat tastes no different to non-halal and I wouldn't care in the slightest if my daughters were saved halal at school. We live in an area with a high asian population and we often shop at an Asian supermarket and have purchased halal meat - even goat (which was very nice!) ;)

It obviously makes it a lot easier for the school to serve halal, so all the children are happy eating. I'm not even sure why this is BBC news, to be honest. Common sense IMO.

The OP claims the UK is a predominantly Christan/Catholic nation. Well, maybe historically but only 7% of the nation attends church so I'd say it isn't. Most people really couldn't care less.

I have absolutely no affinity (or liking) for religious tenets, superstitions, routines or traditions. I'm a proud atheist, however I realise many people aren't and some things just aren't very important.

Mind - don't start me off on faith schools...
 
Interestingly I read an article in the guardian a few days ago about religion and a particularly large survey came up with 70% of the population considering themselves Christian. The percentage of Muslim was far lower than I expected and Sikh was very low. I've looked bug just can't find it on my guardian phone app but I imagine a search on the full site will uncover the story somewhere. It was reported as a rebuttal of the pope's claims that we are all immoral heathens. Just thought it was interesting!
 
I think faith schools are great but the POPE don't get ME started!!
 
In the uk we have some of the highest if not the highest level of animal rights and laws. I am glad our country has these and we should be proud!
To me the way the poor animals that make halal meat are killed is fundamentally disgusting!!
As meat eaters in the uk (if we buy British meat) we are fairly confident in the fact that these animals have had a decent life (because of laws) and are killed in the most humane way possible. But of course along comes religion...and that all changes and all our hard work to get animal rights totally doesn't f-ing matter!!
Its totally acceptable to kill an animal which is completely conscious and aware because of "religious reasons"!!
When my mum and i and numerous other people i know who thought logically about it realized there was going to be a halal counter in asda, my god did we complain and write letters...!!!
If halal meat was served in Jenson's school i would not be a happy bunny
xx
 
In the uk we have some of the highest if not the highest level of animal rights and laws. I am glad our country has these and we should be proud!
To me the way the poor animals that make halal meat are killed is fundamentally disgusting!!
As meat eaters in the uk (if we buy British meat) we are fairly confident in the fact that these animals have had a decent life (because of laws) and are killed in the most humane way possible. But of course along comes religion...and that all changes and all our hard work to get animal rights totally doesn't f-ing matter!!
Its totally acceptable to kill an animal which is completely conscious and aware because of "religious reasons"!!
When my mum and i and numerous other people i know who thought logically about it realized there was going to be a halal counter in asda, my god did we complain and write letters...!!!
If halal meat was served in Jenson's school i would not be a happy bunny
xx

What do you think of the German study that shows animals experience more trauma during atunning than throat slitting?
 
Someone obviously didn't read the previous posts!! lol Ignorance is most certainly not bliss.
 
As a Christian, I cannot eat meat that has been dedicated to another god, which halal meat has. If my children ever went to school I would not want them to eat halal meat. I'm also very concerned that supermarkets are allowed to sell halal meat without it being labelled as such. All of Tesco's New Zealand lamb is halal, as is 35% of its UK lamb. Sainsbury’s, Somerfield, Co-op, Waitrose and Marks and Spencer also stock halal meat. Halal meat should be clearly labelled as such and alternatives should be provided in schools.
 
As a Christian, I cannot eat meat that has been dedicated to another god, which halal meat has. If my children ever went to school I would not want them to eat halal meat. I'm also very concerned that supermarkets are allowed to sell halal meat without it being labelled as such. All of Tesco's New Zealand lamb is halal, as is 35% of its UK lamb. Sainsbury’s, Somerfield, Co-op, Waitrose and Marks and Spencer also stock halal meat. Halal meat should be clearly labelled as such and alternatives should be provided in schools.

Hi hun. Just a small clarification. Muslims & christians share the same God. We believe in Jesus & we worship the same God u believe in. We practice our religion in a different way, but at the end both religions share very similar beliefs as they'r from the same God. This is what we've been taught: Jews, Christians & Muslims have one & only God.

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how did you find out tescos eat is halal? or sainsburys or marks ive asked at them all and they say they dont stock it?
 
As a Christian, I cannot eat meat that has been dedicated to another god, which halal meat has. If my children ever went to school I would not want them to eat halal meat. I'm also very concerned that supermarkets are allowed to sell halal meat without it being labelled as such. All of Tesco's New Zealand lamb is halal, as is 35% of its UK lamb. Sainsbury’s, Somerfield, Co-op, Waitrose and Marks and Spencer also stock halal meat. Halal meat should be clearly labelled as such and alternatives should be provided in schools.

Hi hun. Just a small clarification. Muslims & christians share the same God. We believe in Jesus & we worship the same God u believe in. We practice our religion in a different way, but at the end both religions share very similar beliefs as they'r from the same God. This is what we've been taught: Jews, Christians & Muslims have one & only God.

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I'm aware that Muslims believe this but Christians (and I'm almost certain Jews) do not. As the God of the Bible says there is only one way to Him, any different way would essentially be worshipping a different god. I hope I've worded that okay. :hugs:

how did you find out tescos eat is halal? or sainsburys or marks ive asked at them all and they say they dont stock it?

I couldn't find the link I was reading earlier but here's a similar article from the Fail. I was pretty shocked to read that fast food chains are using halal meat too!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-tell-meat-ritually-slaughtered.html?ITO=1490

Most of the supermarkets do not have a halal-only range. The meat is not labelled as halal because it is stunned first and then slaughtered by halal procedures. Therefore it would not be suitable for strict Muslims.
 
Well therefore freakleonar you have to also differentiate from Jewish God as well because they do not believe in Jesus and say Mary was a whore!
Jews, Christians and Muslims all have the same God but worship in different ways.
 
Well therefore freakleonar you have to also differentiate from Jewish God as well because they do not believe in Jesus and say Mary was a whore!
Jews, Christians and Muslims all have the same God but worship in different ways.

According to Christianity, Christians and Jews worship the same God but Muslims do not. I'm sure that Islam and to some extent Judaism teach different things, so we'll have to agree to disagree. My basic point still stands, I do not want me or my children to eat meat which has been dedicated to another god. All halal meat should be clearly labelled to enable people to avoid it (or choose it!) if they wish.
 
Probably for another post but it's interesting to see the Muslim religion says it is the same God and Christians do not. If anyone could give me further information (by PM if it's not really relevant to the thread if you like) I would be really grateful and it's something that really interests me :flower:
 
I'd like to see quotes from the bible saying that the Jewish God is the same but Muslim one is not??
 
A friend of mine who was raised Muslim told me Islam is the third religion. First the Jews, then Christians, then Islam. The idea I suppose that it was refined as it went along. Obviously that's entirely a matter if opinion though depending on one's own religious background. Until then I had never in church heard any reference to Islam being at all connected. I never really understood about Jews but of course they are there before Christ in the bible. Really the main focus of Christians is Jesus, hence the name. With some variations, like the holy trinity in Catholicism. Perhaps Jews don't think much about Christians because it came second. I don't know. Do we have any Jews on this site I wonder?
 

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