Its got earlier as he has got older. It used to be 2am!! Now he can barely keep his eyes open at 530pm. I usually start his routine at half 5 or 6 if he is still wide awake - bath, put eczema cream on, pj's, breastfeed in bedroom with rain soundtrack on and curtains drawn and he is asleep anywhere between 6 and 730. Just started doing shush, pat last night and it worked like a charm. He laughed at me for the first 10 mins then went off to sleep! At your lo's age he was still downstairs with us in the evenings though and would go to sleep about 9 or 10 pm in my arms. I think its best to just keep an eye on their tired signs and follow their lead or you will end up fighting a losing battle! xx