Whooping cough and stillbirth?

[enrisa]

Hi. I have an appointment to get the jab tomorrow, and I am hesitating.
I am 29 weeks pregnant.
I have started researching about the whooping cough vaccine and I am freaking out after reading this thread:

https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/...weeks-all.html

This thread is about stillbirth and many mums believe that it is related to the whooping cough vaccination.

Did you get the jab? Had you heard of any risk associated with this vaccine?

Isabel x

 

[Pix]

This is actually the first I'm hearing this. I got it done and haven't had an issue. The way it was explained to me is that the baby gets only the immunities. Like breastfeeding. Not the actual strain. We get that and immunize ourselves.

Also the link didn't work.

 

[LoraLoo]

The link doesn't work but I wonder what medical qualifications these mums have to believe there is a link between the vaccine and stillbirth? Unfortunately around 1in 200 births in the uk result in stillbirth and that's a statistic that hasn't changed in many years. Sadly many are unexplained- this Is nothing new either.

The study has shown no increased risk of stillbirth, however there IS a risk to your baby is s/he gets whooping cough in the first few weeks of life.

Is a personal choice and you are doing the right thing researching it, that's what I did too, I came to the decision It was the best thing for my child, the only side effect I had was a very achey arm for a few days.

 

[DeuceMom]

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[flipporama1]

I will never get a vaccine while pregnant. There are not enough (or any) studies specifically done on whether or not a vaccine can harm your baby.
Most people wont drink a glass of wine but are ok with thermosil and all the other toxic ingredients in that vaccine? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just keep your baby away from sick people. But that's just mho.

 

[enrisa]

I actually got the link from another thread on this babyandbump site.

https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/p...2060497-whooping-cough-vacunation-_-uk-2.html

So this thread above took me to the link below.

https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/a...weeks-all.html

I am not saying people should or should not get the jab. I am just researching because I am confused after so much reading.

 

[LoraLoo]

I will never get a vaccine while pregnant. There are not enough (or any) studies specifically done on whether or not a vaccine can harm your baby.
Most people wont drink a glass of wine but are ok with thermosil and all the other toxic ingredients in that vaccine? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just keep your baby away from sick people. But that's just mho.

Thiomersal is not used in any uk vaccinations for children/ pregnant women, and if keeping babies away from sick people was a solve all solution, babies would not die from infectious diseases, I find that comment really flippant. My daughter died from an infectious illness and she wasn't around anyone poorly. Many illnesses are contagious before symptoms show.
Also, there have been studies, here are the results of one, if you want a read OP
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4219

 

[broodymrs]

I researched during my first pregnancy and came to the conclusion that it was safer to protect against a deadly disease. I had an allergic reaction and was so worried but my baby was fine. Had it again this pregnancy and I've been absolutely fine. It absolutely does not cause stillbirth. I think that when people go through such a traumatic situation they clutch at straws for a reason. It's very sad but doesn't make it true. They've been giving the whooping cough jab during pregnancy for about 3/4 years now and no proven link to stillbirth.

 

[broodymrs]

My deliberations from first time round:

https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/p...7-whooping-cough-vaccine-tdap-thoughts-5.html

 

[rose.]

Ive had it both times with my babies and no issues. I would never forgive myself if I didn't have the jab and they caught the disease, as it is so dangerous in newborns. I am always cautious about Jabs but having weighed up the pros and cons I decided to go for it.

 

[MyFavSurprise]

I posted this reply on your other thread about the same thing, thought I'd move it over here..

I read the thread and am so sorry for the pain they've had to go through.. however I have had the flu shot and Tdap in every pregnancy without any trouble.. where I live Whooping Cough is an epidemic and is proven deadly in newborns. To me it is worth it to hopefully pass on some protection to my new LOs, Whooping Cough is a terrible illness and usually silent in new babies.

I also agree that when something so awful and traumatic happens that we try hard to find a reason or something to blame, but that is all unfounded while the virus is definitely proven to cause death in infants. Viruses come from anywhere, the hospital where they're born, the walk to the car, even our homes... they have no immune system, I personally feel it is important to give them all the help we can to keep them healthy and safe.

 

[enrisa]

I will never get a vaccine while pregnant. There are not enough (or any) studies specifically done on whether or not a vaccine can harm your baby.
Most people wont drink a glass of wine but are ok with thermosil and all the other toxic ingredients in that vaccine? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just keep your baby away from sick people. But that's just mho.

Thiomersal is not used in any uk vaccinations for children/ pregnant women, and if keeping babies away from sick people was a solve all solution, babies would not die from infectious diseases, I find that comment really flippant. My daughter died from an infectious illness and she wasn't around anyone poorly. Many illnesses are contagious before symptoms show.
Also, there have been studies, here are the results of one, if you want a read OP
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4219

I have just read the story of Eve, and I couldn´t stop tears from falling. What can I say? There no words.

 

[enrisa]

What I understand from the mums on that thread, is not that the baby got the whooping cough and died, but that it caused some trouble to the placenta. So the placenta stopped functioning properly or died, and so the baby. They also talk about the big pharma companies not being liable.

Anyway, I suppose it is a catch 22. I have changed my appointment to get the jab next week, I will be 30 weeks.

I worry too much, maybe because I am 42. Worried about miscarriage, worried about Down Syndrome (still worried), etc.

Thanks

 

[Pitbullmom29]

I don't normally get the flu shot in fact I never have! But when I found out I was pregnant in October I chose to get one in November. I would have never been able to live with myself if I didn't get the shot to protect my child. I'm glad I got it as my husbands grandfather had cancer and we spend some time in the hospital and around lots of family and I work with the general public. Research is always good. Jus do what you think is best for you and your baby. I haven't been offered the tdap shot but I do know my mother is planning on getting one.

 

[flipporama1]

I will never get a vaccine while pregnant. There are not enough (or any) studies specifically done on whether or not a vaccine can harm your baby.
Most people wont drink a glass of wine but are ok with thermosil and all the other toxic ingredients in that vaccine? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just keep your baby away from sick people. But that's just mho.

Thiomersal is not used in any uk vaccinations for children/ pregnant women, and if keeping babies away from sick people was a solve all solution, babies would not die from infectious diseases, I find that comment really flippant. My daughter died from an infectious illness and she wasn't around anyone poorly. Many illnesses are contagious before symptoms show.
Also, there have been studies, here are the results of one, if you want a read OP
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4219

Like I said, there are MANY other toxic ingredients in vaccines. I have a permanent injury from a Tdap vaccine I received as a baby so I err on the side of caution with them.

 

[laila 44]

I'm in Quebec and here it's unheard of to vaccinate a pregnant woman. Obstetricians really don't recommend it and it's not common practice. Baby receives pertussis vaccine at 6 weeks old. I personally would not be comfortable getting a vaccine while pregnant, not even the flu shot. But that's me.

 

[LoraLoo]

I will never get a vaccine while pregnant. There are not enough (or any) studies specifically done on whether or not a vaccine can harm your baby.
Most people wont drink a glass of wine but are ok with thermosil and all the other toxic ingredients in that vaccine? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just keep your baby away from sick people. But that's just mho.

Thiomersal is not used in any uk vaccinations for children/ pregnant women, and if keeping babies away from sick people was a solve all solution, babies would not die from infectious diseases, I find that comment really flippant. My daughter died from an infectious illness and she wasn't around anyone poorly. Many illnesses are contagious before symptoms show.
Also, there have been studies, here are the results of one, if you want a read OP
https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4219

Like I said, there are MANY other toxic ingredients in vaccines. I have a permanent injury from a Tdap vaccine I received as a baby so I err on the side of caution with them.

Im sorry you have a permanent injury, that's much better than the alternative though.
I do understand your worries, and as I said earlier I support anyone's informed decision, the trouble is, many people are basing their decision on hear say and not studies and medical research.

 

[SonnyH]

Vaccines are fine. My heart breaks for anyone suffering a loss but it's very very likely that women who blame a vaccine would have suffered that loss anyway and it was coincidental it happened around the time of the vaccine. In the link you shared, that poor ladies placenta probably already had issues. Similarly to the MMR/Autism scare. The vaccine is given around the time autistic symptoms start to show and obviously, it's very upsetting, so parents look for something to blame. The doctor who did the big 'research' project on MMR/Autism link in the UK has been struck off the medical council for making most of it up!

I've been to 3rd world countries and seen children and adults who would give anything to be vaccinated against the things we do. Their children and family members die of the minor illness we protect against. After seeing that first hand, I would never refuse another vaccine we take for granted again. I have asthma, so I've been having the flu jab since it first became available. I used to work in hospital so I've had all the hepatitis jabs, meningitis jabs, several tetanus jabs. Plus all the usual ones. Never had a singe problem. Had my flu jab at 10 weeks and my whooping cough at 21 weeks this pregnancy. Yes, I don't plan to introduce my baby to anyone who is poorly but viruses generally work by being contagious before symptoms show. Therefore who knows if family members coming to visit or even the hospital staff when I give birth are harbouring something potentially horrible!

 

[amc90]

I received the Tdap vaccine at 28 weeks and I have no regrets. Last summer I had whooping cough and suffered from a 103 degree fever for 3 days. I was also coughing up blood. It would have put an infant in the hospital or even worse. I don't want anyone unvaccinated around the baby now.

 

[rebeccalouise]

I had the whooping cough vaccine, and myself and my daughter are absolutely fine. I'd rather have the vaccine, than risk getting the illness. If they really weren't safe, they wouldn't be given.