Would you trust the h1n1 shot after this...

I didnt have the Swine flu vac while pregnant and was glad
I dont think its been tested enough on pregnant women and even if it comes back this winter I think it will have mutated so those who had the vac are not protected anyway

As for the older vacs like MMR, Rhys will be having all of them
I trust them as I myself have had them
 
Children are born with Autism, immunisations do not cause autism :roll:

Did I say that? No. I did not. If you go back and look at ANY of my posts, you'll see that I don't agree that vaccines cause autism, however, I do believe vaccines can trigger underlying dormant conditions to "activate", where their symptoms mimick very closely, autism.

I have seen such in my daughter. Funny how at birth, she has a normal head circumference, at 5 weeks old, a CT Scan shows no evidence of brain damage, but an MRI at nearly 3 years old shows both cerebral hemispheres damaged, most severely, her cortex. Funny how her head stopped growing the same week she had her first vaccine. Funny how she continued to decline as she continued to get vaccines. Funny how her head didn't grow while she was getting vaccines. Funny how her head has grown since we stopped vaccinating. Funny how she has been progressing since we stopped vaccinating.

It's all too coincidental for our situation. I don't believe the vaccine CAUSED her condition, but I do believe it triggered it to activate, and I'm not risking it with my son. Quit rolling your eyes at me. You don't know the situation. It does seem like all you want to do is provoke.
 
Why are you so hostile towards Aob brandy? If you look back you will someone else mentioned, the MMR and autism link. Aob was responding to that. She has explained previously why her posts may come across short. She is probably breastfeeding her young baby.
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Having stuided child development in depth and worked with autistic children I am positive a child is born with austim. Having talked to parents of autistic children and looking at their development records the signs are there from birth but these signs are so subtle that they are not picked up on until a later stage, when the child starts to have social interaction with others.

It just so happens that at the same time social interaction occurs the vaccination is given.
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I agree. Autism is not caused by immunisations. I have a son with autism and I would never risk his life for getting measles for the sake of a vaccine.

My daughter had the swine flu and I am glad. You will find cases of supposed side effects with all immunisations.
 
Why are you so hostile towards Aob brandy? If you look back you will someone else mentioned, the MMR and autism link. Aob was responding to that. She has explained previously why her posts may come across short. She is probably breastfeeding her young baby.
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Understandable. I know how difficult it is to type while breastfeeding, however, while I do not know her very well, from what I HAVE seen of her posts, I find the majority of them to come across and smug and judgemental (not the exact word I'm looking for). Regardless of the breastfeeding, the eye rolling was not necessary. It is things like this that make me respond the way I do. A simple "I disagree. I don't believe there is a link between autism and vaccines" would suffice. The eye rolling is completely unneccessary.
 
not sure if this is of any help to the converation, but I have a form of narcolepsy.... something that is supposed to be strongly hereditary yet there is no history of it in my family. He said that I may have been predisposed to it and that a period of great stress could have triggered it to develop. For me, the stress was getting 1-3 hours of sleep a night as a teenager, month after month.... I'd get by on almost no sleep during the week, then crash and sleep all weekend. My doc said 'that will do it' when I told him about that time in my life.

So the theory that vaccines may trigger underlying conditions is probably the most believable 'reaction' that I've heard. Its not going to do it to most people, but when the circumstances are right, it can definitelly cause issues.
I think its more likely that some of the mild side effects kids have from vaccines, like fevers can definitely trigger a reaction in their bodies.

And Brandi, from what you've said about how your daughter's body doesn't handle fevers well, I would not be surprised at all if that or some other 'mild' vaccine reaction (mild to most children, but something your daughter couldn't handle well) that your daughter was having was a major contributor or just adding fuel to the fire of what her condition is.
I hope you don't mind me saying though that its possible that something else could have triggered it anyway at some point. I don't mean that as a reflection of your opinion of vaccines.. just that its not a given that if you hadn't vaccinated that she wouldn't have had these issues, you know? Hope that doesn't offend.

I just don't want some other mom to hear these stories about that lawsuit and assume that her child will have the same reaction or problem. And yes, its still her choice if she wants to take that risk or not... but the majority of the population will have no trouble at all and will benefit from the vaccines. Its too bad that we can't screen for these risk factors first though.
 
Not read the whole thread so apologies if its already been said, but the 2nd girl got that after the regular flu jab. Anyway, yes, I'd get it and I let Amelie get it too. I think the benefits outweigh the risk but I work in a hospital so I'm more likely to come into contact with bugs and such.
 
Lol that this is going still. I think the location change has stoked the fire! I was all done but find there's more to comment on now.

Just want to mention that my nephew also has autism and be certainly was born with it. Apparently the good paediatricians can spot it in newborns as they don't have the same interest in human faces that non-autistic babies have.

Brandi, this head size thing, are babies regularly checked for head size in Canada? I only ask because Byron was measured at birth and at his 9 month check and that was it. Just wondering how often they're checked over there for you to know exactly when her head growth changed.
 
me and my son had swine flu after refusing the jab and being told we would die without it my son had it for 24hours and i had it for 5-7days pretty bad but nothing compared to the side effects that are now coming to light from the vaccine!
 
Brandi, this head size thing, are babies regularly checked for head size in Canada? I only ask because Byron was measured at birth and at his 9 month check and that was it. Just wondering how often they're checked over there for you to know exactly when her head growth changed.

Not that I'm aware of, to be honest. I don't even remember my daughter's head size being checked at birth, but that could have been because I was in the process of receiving 86 stitches. I honestly don't recall head size being something that was checked often, and this could be why it took until she was a little over 2 to diagnose her. She doesn't look like a typical child with microcephaly. We never would have suspected that. I suppose her pediatrician did check her head size regularly though, because he had notes on her height, weight, and head size dating back to birth and plotted them all on a growth chart in front of us, which found the head growth had stopped at 8 weeks, and by 5 months of age, she was officially, clinically, microcephalic.

Lisa, no, your comment was not offensive. We understand that her condition could have just spontaneously happened, or was triggered by something else. We just find it too coincidental that the head growth stopped around the same time she had her first vaccine.
 
Children are born with Autism, immunisations do not cause autism :roll:

Currently there is no definitive known cause of autism. Consequently we do not know for sure if it is genetic or caused by environmental factors. It is actually quite possible children are not born with autism, but that some environmental factor triggers it later on.
 
Brandi your story and the hundreds of those that I've read just like it are the reason I wont be vaccinating my son. I do not believe in coincidences either.

I personally am not convinced that vaccines do not have a role to play in SIDS either, since the SIDS risk spikes at 2 and 4 months of age, the exact ages babies receive their first vaccines.
 
Lisa,

Until her diagnosis, the biggest physical reaction we noticed was when she had either the first or second dose of MMR. Within two hours, the injection site swelled to the size of a grapefruit, became an angry red and BURNED. The swelling didn't go down for another 4 months.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/Canerican/DSC00910.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/Canerican/DSC00917.jpg

Compared to the injection in the other leg.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/Canerican/DSC00912.jpg

The pictures honestly don't do the actual swelling justice, but you get the gist of how bad it was. Injection sites should NEVER swell like this one did.
 
Well, this article is interesting...

CDC Admits No Rigorous Study Refuting Thimerosal-Autism Link Ever Conducted
https://www.ageofautism.com/2010/09...tm_campaign=Feed:+ageofautism+(AGE+OF+AUTISM)

By Jake Crosby

Last May, I deconstructed a talking point of millionaire vaccine industrialist Paul Offit, who claimed that studying anything other than Thimerosal besides the MMR vaccine was “moving the goalpost” and therefore “classic for pseudoscience.” (HERE)

However, before anyone abandons the Thimerosal/autism theory, they should consider reading the CDC website first. In case you were unaware, the CDC has been conducting a case-control study using the Vaccine Safety Datalink Project that should have been published last January as the agency promised. The description reads:

“VSD researchers have begun a case-control study to examine the association between Thimerosal and autism rigorously.” (HERE)

They want to “examine the association between thimerosal and autism rigorously” in a study not even published yet? Isn’t that what the CDC should have done all along?

Reading on:

“…this VSD study will be the first rigorous, epidemiological study conducted on the issue of thimerosal and autism.”

The first rigorous, epidemiological study? Now, given the CDC’s history of not being honest, and given that this study is eight months overdue, I somehow doubt it will be “rigorous.”

Yet, the important point is not that the CDC is conducting a study that it claims will be rigorous, but that even the CDC admits that no rigorous study refuting the relationship between thimerosal and autism has been done. In over 10 years since concerns about thimerosal were first raised, all of the studies that the CDC relied on over the years to deny a connection admittedly lacked rigor. That means the CDC-sponsored IOM Report rejecting a relationship, which forms the sole basis for the bogus “scientific consensus” in the U.S., lacked rigor, too – and all of the studies involved, the CDC supported.

This quote really boiled me over:

“Data from this VSD study should provide the best available scientific information on whether a causal association between exposure to thimerosal and the development of autism is possible.”

I would think so if the CDC is saying this study will be the first to actually be rigorous. From this perspective, it seems the CDC is tacitly repudiating any of the current published research used to exonerate the role of this preservative in autism causation. In fact, that is exactly what it seems to do. (HERE):

“Preliminary results from the VSD Thimerosal Screening Study published in 2003 did not find an association between thimerosal exposure and autism risk and recent ecological studies have not found a correlation between thimerosal content of vaccines and autism rates. Autism, however, can be difficult to diagnose and the studies to date have relied on computerized clinical or administrative databases in which the validity of the autism diagnoses have not been fully validated.”

I just love the vague way the CDC has refuted its pile of tobacco science, which is certainly of the “forked-tongue” vernacular that comprised the British Cochrane Review, according to our U.K. Editor John Stone. CDC has acknowledged its worthlessness without actually saying it’s worthless.

The CDC’s justification for this study, however, was the kicker:

“The IOM Immunization Safety Review Committee recommended such a study in 2001.”

2001? The original IOM Report that said the evidence was insufficient to accept or reject an association? That is bizarre.

Even though just three years later, the IOM produced its CDC-sponsored report rejecting a relationship between autism and thimerosal, the CDC has still not followed through on the IOM’s recommendation of conducting what would supposedly be the only rigorous study after nine years. If this is not further proof that the “scientific consensus” of organizations like the CDC and IOM is a sham, I don’t know what is.

After more than ten years of reports concerning autistic regression following shots, CDC has still not followed through on its promise to conduct the first rigorous study of thimerosal. Even worse, it is almost certain that after this upcoming study gets published, the promise of conducting the first “rigorous” study of thimerosal will remain unfulfilled.

What I’d really like to know, however, is what the CDC will be saying about this study five years down the road – assuming it even gets published by then – and whether or not it will still be considered "rigorous.” I wish I could look into a crystal ball and find out right away, but only time will tell. I have a feeling that history will repeat itself.

Jake Crosby is a college student with Asperger Syndrome at Brandeis University who is double majoring in History and Health: Science, Society and Policy. He is a contributing editor to Age of Autism.
*Cart before the horse. Cart is full of money. Get it? :) KS
 
Brandi - wow.. that is a horrible reaction to the vaccines and definitely a sign that she has a sensitivity to some ingredient in the vaccines! :(
 
Children are born with Autism, immunisations do not cause autism :roll:

Currently there is no definitive known cause of autism. Consequently we do not know for sure if it is genetic or caused by environmental factors. It is actually quite possible children are not born with autism, but that some environmental factor triggers it later on.

I agree and vaccines are considered an enviromental factor.
 
I personally am not convinced that vaccines do not have a role to play in SIDS either, since the SIDS risk spikes at 2 and 4 months of age, the exact ages babies receive their first vaccines.

I have often come across this in my research as well. It is entirely possible.
 
maybe people would disagree that jabs can cause autism, the guy that done the stuy wa said to be fake but then there are alot of things they keep unknown anyways, there was a actually study and they said if someone who has autism is given cerian jabs then it can make them alot worse.
 
I personally don't believe that Jabs can cause autism. But that's my personal opinion. My DD is only 17 weeks old so is quite away from having her MMR which seems to be the vaccine people debate about..I've done loads of research as I want to make sure my reasons for her having it are informed not because it's recommended. The side effects are some of the scariest I've seen caused by jabs but you have to bear in mind that like the H1N1 the MMR contains traces of the viruses so is bound to cause some kind of a reaction.

Also if you look at the videos that come up after one stops playing there is a video on there with the girl saying she is no receiving treatment and whilst she's not "out of the woods" yet she can now talk/walk & eat without passing out.. I've also noticed that alot of videos related that are related to a hoax aswell. I'm personally not saying she is "faking it" but it does make you wonder.
 
I don't believe the videos of the girl who can only walk backwards, to be honest. I think it's mostly a publicity stunt. It takes a really good actress to be able to do that, and it's funny too, because in the original interview, she says she can never be cured of this, and a few months later, a brand new video surfaces that she is recovering...hmmm...

This opinion, however, doesn't change my opinion on vaccines and the reactions that I have seen. Again, while we haven't proven my daughter's condition was triggered by vaccines, there is no denying or faking her condition, nor denying or faking the reaction in the pictures I posted above. I was well aware of redness and swelling being a "normal reaction", but to the extent that my daughter suffered from the MMR vaccine, as shown above, that is not normal.
 

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