American ladies.. who do you think will win the election?

[amjon]

I just literally cannot understand how a woman would even consider voting for Mitt Romney, I would love to be enlightened as to what he will contribute towards women's rights and equality.

Women will always have the right to get contraception (even if they have to pay for it themselves, getting it for free should not be a right). As for abortion "rights" I see it more as protecting the rights of the unborn child than taking away the rights of the mother. Everyone thinks everything should be free and given to you, but that is just not possible. Any time something is "free" it's really paid for somewhere and those of use that ARE paying can't keep paying for more and more (plus we're already MUCH too far in debt as a country).

 

[Harley Quinn]

No electricity here wOuld kill you. As would no winter clOthes.

Then how did people live there before electricity was invented? You do know electricity is a MODERN invention and people lived for thousands of years without it all over the world.

If by modern you mean in the last 100 years, then yes, it is modern. However, when the generation of people who grew up without electricity as a commonplace part of life are pretty much all dead, then I think it's safe to say that it should be a considered a basic necessity in the United States. The infrastructure of the country is based around electricity - to be in the lower class without electricity would put you at a major disadvantage and limit your chances of ever making into the middle class.

I'm not going to respond to any of your other previous comments, so as to try to keep the thread on track, so please don't think I'm ignoring you that way. I just don't think this is the place to discuss it really.

 

[CalliesMOM]

I just literally cannot understand how a woman would even consider voting for Mitt Romney, I would love to be enlightened as to what he will contribute towards women's rights and equality.

Women will always have the right to get contraception (even if they have to pay for it themselves, getting it for free should not be a right). As for abortion "rights" I see it more as protecting the rights of the unborn child than taking away the rights of the mother. Everyone thinks everything should be free and given to you, but that is just not possible. Any time something is "free" it's really paid for somewhere and those of use that ARE paying can't keep paying for more and more (plus we're already MUCH too far in debt as a country).

I agree with this. People who say Romney hates women I would ask if you have actually read anything other than Obama campaign twist on things? If Obama gets re-elected..we will be screwed. I support the constitution WE ARE NOT MEANT TO BE SOCIALIST.

 

[PitaKat]

I'll be surprised if Obama doesn't win. But I think it'd be more interesting if Romney did. We've seen what 4 years of Obama looks like. I'd like to see if 4 years of Romney looks the same.

Just because a President changes, doesn't mean that anything else will. There are other governing bodies that have to work together in order for anything to change.

 

[Harley Quinn]

I get that, but I think it'd be more interesting to see of Obama can actually come through on some more of his original promises in the next four years (i.e. close Guantanamo). Especially if the democrats can get a majority in the House and keep their majority in the Senate. That, to me, would be more interesting than Romney for four years.

 

[FarfromHome]

I highly doubt most military families will be voting for Obama. I'm so frustrated and there's so many things that are just not right.

1. My husband and I shelling out at least a thousand dollars of our own money for equipment before a deployment to keep him ALIVE.
2. People sitting around doing nothing while we pay for them. My husband risking his life in Afghanistan AND Iraq while I worked here in the US pregnant and miserable. And for what? So we could pay for people who don't desire to work?
-True story, I used to work at a take and bake pizza place in highschool. We accepted food stamps. People would order all the time and use their food stamps for what?? JUNK. Junky pizza ( like seriously heart attack inducing double cheese/double pepperoni) and tons of soda. That is not OK to me.
3. A ton of our services have been closed on base because there's no money to fund it. Gyms, rec centers etc etc. Obama says the military isn't requesting any money and DH and I both went
4. There's something not right about military families being on food stamps. ( Not us but a lot of families we know are on WIC etc)

 

[Ozzieshunni]

It's not just the president that makes these decisions. He just gets blamed for everything. Remember, he followed GW Bushdipshit into office.

 

[smileyfaces]

I know nothing about this whole election but reading some of these comments has irritated the LIFE out of me, particularly the ones in the tone of "why should we all pay for everyone else to sit at home on their butt whilst they get paid for it/get food stamps" etc etc.

Ask yourselves, if your situation changed and you had no income whatsoever what would you do? Starve? Unlikely. The benefits for these people are there for a reason. And yes, of course it can be said that some do abuse the system, but not everyone. It is not fair to penalise the people who truely depend on the benefits by taking them away just so you have an extra bit of money at the end of the month.

What the hell do you want? A country that doesn't have taxes at all so you can be better off? A country that will not provide for you if one day (god forbid) you find yourselves with nothing? Don't be so ridiculous. This is the 21st century!

And yes, in agreement with others, electricity and gas are necessities! As are clothes!

 

[Andypanda6570]

I am voting for Obama. There is just something I don't know what it is about Romney and his side kick Howdy Doody I just don't trust.

 

[TennisGal]

Obama cannot be blamed for a global recession, nor can he be expected to have super powers and effectively undo the failed policies of Bush. He also is stymied by immovable opposition at every step. Something I should imagine will continue, irrespective of who the eventual victor is.

Interestingly, whenever Romney appears to offer an insight into he he would have better managed the economy...his solutions would have actually made things worse.

I, personally, would oppose anything or anyone who would make such brutal cuts into helping the needy. I am all for working to stop benefit cheats...but realistically, there ate far fewer people living it up in £1000000 mansions than the media would have us believe. The thought of a society turning its back on the needy (and am I right in thinking Romneys propositions would especially impact the elderly?) is abhorrent to me. We are all, as is famously said, a few paydays away from poverty. A welfare system should be embraced. However, a fair welfare system.

Electricity, clothing and food are basics. Nobody should live without these...and to suggest some should isn't fair. We used to live without electricity, true..,but we also lived without medications. Should we hold back on treating people, too?

The forces not having adequate equipment happens here, too, and is heartbreaking

For me, if I were a states lady, Obama would get my vote. His policies appeal more, he's a more compelling statesman and inspires more confidence.

 

[Mummy Bean]

im in the uk and havent followed the vote closely but my friends in california who all live near the bread line are for Obama.

I ask the question if the people of the US dont provide towards the country upkeep - and in doing so paying for those who dont or cant work...then who will pay for them?
do you just leave them to starve...what will that do to crime rates/human rights/ ppls health. if the country is already in debt surley it self cannot keep propping up these people.

has anyone given stats on how many of them on the welfare system are actually capable of working...rather then in actual need of it. then how can you expect those who can work to get work when there isnt any work?

im lucky enough to live in London where there will always be work...but living here comes at a HUGE cost...our small ex council house is 16% above the avearge for a house. but plently of people with degrees and experience are struggling to find work.are we not to look after them?

any leader in a word wide recession is going to have it hard..esp when no country seems to have any answers atm on how to solve the problem.

 

[FarfromHome]

I know nothing about this whole election but reading some of these comments has irritated the LIFE out of me, particularly the ones in the tone of "why should we all pay for everyone else to sit at home on their butt whilst they get paid for it/get food stamps" etc etc.

Ask yourselves, if your situation changed and you had no income whatsoever what would you do? Starve? Unlikely. The benefits for these people are there for a reason. And yes, of course it can be said that some do abuse the system, but not everyone. It is not fair to penalise the people who truely depend on the benefits by taking them away just so you have an extra bit of money at the end of the month.

What the hell do you want? A country that doesn't have taxes at all so you can be better off? A country that will not provide for you if one day (god forbid) you find yourselves with nothing? Don't be so ridiculous. This is the 21st century!

And yes, in agreement with others, electricity and gas are necessities! As are clothes!

I don't think anyone is referring to the people who actually need it. The frustration comes in where people abuse the system and choose NOT to work because they can live off welfare without doing anything. That's not right.

I agree with Romney that the STATES need to individually decide what is best welfare wise for their state. I'd never propose cutting welfare all together but there needs to be stricter controls IMO. If you read my post, why should people on food stamps be allowed to use them to pay for junk food? That just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[smileyfaces]

I know nothing about this whole election but reading some of these comments has irritated the LIFE out of me, particularly the ones in the tone of "why should we all pay for everyone else to sit at home on their butt whilst they get paid for it/get food stamps" etc etc.

Ask yourselves, if your situation changed and you had no income whatsoever what would you do? Starve? Unlikely. The benefits for these people are there for a reason. And yes, of course it can be said that some do abuse the system, but not everyone. It is not fair to penalise the people who truely depend on the benefits by taking them away just so you have an extra bit of money at the end of the month.

What the hell do you want? A country that doesn't have taxes at all so you can be better off? A country that will not provide for you if one day (god forbid) you find yourselves with nothing? Don't be so ridiculous. This is the 21st century!

And yes, in agreement with others, electricity and gas are necessities! As are clothes!

I don't think anyone is referring to the people who actually need it. The frustration comes in where people abuse the system and choose NOT to work because they can live off welfare without doing anything. That's not right.

I agree with Romney that the STATES need to individually decide what is best welfare wise for their state. I'd never propose cutting welfare all together but there needs to be stricter controls IMO. If you read my post, why should people on food stamps be allowed to use them to pay for junk food? That just doesn't make sense to me.

And as I said, people DO abuse the system but the help needs to be there because there are people who will always need it. It isn't just in America that this applies to. Im notsure if you are in UK or USA but Im in the UK and unfortunately it is very common for people to abuse the system. However, those of us who work still need to pay taxes to support those in need anyway It's always going to be one of those things unfortunately. You can't take from the poor to give to the rich. Thats not right.

 

[whit.]

The whole 47% thing was completely taken out of context. I think he meant they don't matter in trying to convince them to vote for him in a campaign. Those of us that DO have to pay for the 47% really don't look too kindly at them anyway. If you are able to work (even if you have kids) get your butt off the couch and GET A JOB (and stop having kids you can't afford). It's one thing if you are truly unable to work, but I think everyone can agree that 47% of the population is NOT in that position. If you can't work you should not be living up to the standards of those that pay for you either. There is NO need for a cell phone. There is also no need for a private home (or even technically electricity). The things required to live are water, food (and steaks, shrimps, booze are NOT required), shelter, and clothing (though technically not really a biological need). Anything beyond that should not be provided. There is SO much abuse of the system (obviously if 47% of the population is getting money BACK from the government) it's sickening that we have to work so hard to pay for deadbeats that have as many as 10 kids (when they couldn't afford the first). Obama has had 4 years to fix things and they are still just as bad or worse than when he came in. Though I don't think Romney is a glowing example of what we need, at least he is different than the fool who already had 4 years and has only made a bigger mess for us.

You do realize who the 47% are, RIGHT? My grandmother who worked her whole life busting her ass to take care of her family. She doesn't deserve electricity?! And shouldn't have clothing?! You also realize the 47% includes military members who are currently serving/fighting. They don't pay taxes when they're in a war zone. Also, people like my brother in law who are now disabled from fighting in a war that the Republicans started, he's in that 47%. I suppose he doesn't deserve electricity, clothing or anything else that isn't deemed a "necessity". Romney dismissed 47% of the American people before he even had a real chance to become President. He meant what he said, he didn't mean for it to be brought to light.

(I know we aren't suppose to talk about it on here, but guessing since it's a huge topic for the presidential candidacy, I can say my views)

I'm anti-abortion BUT I'm even more anti-government telling ME what I can do with MY body. Biden said it best during the VP debate. He said that he has his beliefs but won't push them on others through the government (something like that, can't remember word for word.) UNLIKE Ryan who said he couldn't separate his faith and his job.

Romney also keeps talking about his "plan" but hasn't said once HOW he is going to do anything in his "plan". He also seems to say thing one day and (literally) the next change his mind and say something completely different.

I think everyone focuses on the few things that Obama didn't do in office and forget about all of the things he DID do. I don't think he realized the shit storm he was getting himself into. How can you until you actually get into the office and see everything written down right in front of you?


Just my 2 cents.


Also, hope I don't offend anyone. I don't really care who anyone votes for but everyone should be informed.

 

[CalliesMOM]

yes the welfare system is flawed. My husband used to work at a gas station and people would come in regularly and buy cigarettes and beer with their food stamps. That is not a necessity. I agree that we should people but only if they truly need it. We struggle monthly to get by but we make $2,000 too much a year...while others get it who refuse to work full time or if they do they quit after a few months so they can get government help. It's awful. We have what I call the entitlement era of people. They think that they are entitled to everything without working for it. I was taught if you want stuff you work for it. So I say that those who want government to help them they have to be showing they are trying to better their situation. Noone is entitled to anything. You have to earn it. I don't think going over a trillion dollars in debt is the answer which is what Obama did. Also I don't think the democrats stand a chance at getting voted back in after the last election.

I too feel for the military families who don't get paid what they deserve. My father in law has been to Iraq for 2 tours. It's not right that they should be on food stamps just to get by.

I'm wondering for those who have socialized healthcare you say it's so wonderful. I just wonder 1) is there a doctor shortage? 2) how long does it realistically take to get into see a specialist? If Obama care goes forward we will have a doctor shortage because it won't be worth it for doctors to go to school and pay thousands of dollars in student loans and then get paid crap. This is scary. Also here it can take maybe a month depending on the specialist but if you are in dire need they can see you sooner. For me I would be dead if the wait had been longer than a month.

 

[Andypanda6570]

In my state New York, you cannot buy cigarettes or beer with food stamps , you can't even buy soap or deodorant , only food.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

Specialist wise, if it is urgent, you are seen ASAP, sometimes you are sent to hospital that day. I had severe hyperemesis in my first trimester and was sent by taxi (paid for by the nhs) to the hospital that night for fluids.

 

[MommaAlexis]

Yeah no one I know has had to wait if it was urgent. I see that argument a lot. Also the BMWs at our hospital staff parking prove otherwise.

 

[Quackquack99]

Yeah ozziehunni is right. I was 33 weeks pregnant when I got blue lighted to hospital in the middle of the night. They had a room sorted and a great consultant to see to me. And then to top it off they paid for a taxi home too which would have cost me £20. So its not as bad as people can make out.

 

[Mummy2B21]

Obama, I hope.